Team Aqua Team Magma List; Does Anyone Know?

[Gym Leader Blaine]

....or the ultra rares more common than the holos.....or the rares as useless as the commons?

Most of us dont know since we have yet to see the packs open up at the Prerelease, but IM sure on Saturday all will be told

 

[old man]

Geez i hope someone in power removes that list before the commoners find out about the set.

Now if that isn't an elitist comment then I don't know what would be. The "commoners"?
They must be the people who play in the tournaments. Maybe they are other TO's. It sounds like it's everyone who isn't a PTO. Remember there are a lot of "commoners" who have done a great deal for this game. Some are not known at all around here.

If that's the attitude of a PTO then I never would want to be one. To think I'm so much better than everyone else.

 

[Gym Leader Blaine]

doubt you even know them ALL,

MMMM maybe, maybe not.


Just kidding

 

[Gym Leader Blaine]

Geez i hope someone in power removes that list before the commoners find out about the set.

Now if that isn't an elitist comment then I don't know what would be. The "commoners"?
They must be the people who play in the tournaments. Maybe they are other TO's. It sounds like it's everyone who isn't a PTO. Remember there are a lot of "commoners" who have done a great deal for this game. Some are not known at all around here.

If that's the attitude of a PTO then I never would want to be one. To think I'm so much better than everyone else.

Old Man, I think BJJ763 was joking when he stated this. Since he is a Mod he has the power to do what he posted, but has not and I really dont think he will.

 

[old man]

I'm sure for the next set, they'll send out the list like a night ahead of time prolly .. Like Friday Night, or simply, not do pre-releases anymore. and if that DOES happen, we know who to blame =/

Next time, think before you do =/.. and don't ruin it for everyone else.

Thanks.

Yes, everyone can blame me if there are no more prereleases!

My 15 minutes of fame!

 

[Kyogre]

I don't remember Kyogre getting half the negitives that Old Man got and he posted SCANS of the cards not just a list.

I posted links which gave people the option of clicking on them. If they didn't want to find out then they should have not clicked on them. Its a lot easier then having people who want the scans PM'ing me left and right. But anyway...

I don't think Old Man deserves all this treatment. He saw a question, "Team Magma List; Does Anyone Know?" he had an answer, and chose to help out. People who did not want to know should have skipped over the topic entirely. Same goes with the other topic that has to deal with the Pre-Release card. No one is forcing people to click on these things.

 

[farbsman]

Geez i hope someone in power removes that list before the commoners find out about the set.

Now if that isn't an elitist comment then I don't know what would be. The "commoners"?
They must be the people who play in the tournaments. Maybe they are other TO's. It sounds like it's everyone who isn't a PTO. Remember there are a lot of "commoners" who have done a great deal for this game. Some are not known at all around here.

If that's the attitude of a PTO then I never would want to be one. To think I'm so much better than everyone else.

It is quite simple. We sign a contract with Pokemon USA stating we will not release any information on the set before the prerelease. The fact that one of the PTO's did so will come back on all of us even though it is pretty easy to figure out who gave you the list. We were all warned last time not to give out the information early yet someone did. The nice thing is it seems only one PTO did.

The prerelease events are suppose to be the first time the kids see the cards. It isn't a special event if you know what is in the set before you get there.

By releasing this information, and yes PUI knows you did, the PTO in your area may be punished for it. Especially since you didn't release the name of the person. You can go through your log of posts and pretty much guess which PTO probably gave it to you. That person has breeched there contract and can even be sued. I doubt they will be, but you never know, they may make an example out of them. Either that or they will be given 4 special brand new promos that you can't get anywhere else kinda like Target.

It isn't a power trip for us. If nothing else it is a big pain in the butt. You have kids that know you have the list, know you know what the cards look like, and harass you to get the information. Heck the list hadn't even been available for a day and someone had already blabbed it to someone they were not suppose to. I don't even print the list out until the morning of the tournament to ensure nobody has a chance of getting one.

When you were a kid did you ever peek at your presents before Christmas Day? I know when I did it and it kinda ruined the suprise for me. Most people like getting to the tournament and finding out what is in the set as they open there packs. I even know a few that avoid the message boards because someone always blabs it before they should.

As far as the "don't look if you don't want to see the list" crap. The minute you see that you want to look, even if you don't want to know. Curiousity gets the best of you and you look.

I really don't see any reason anyone needs to know the set list before Saturday. Only reason the PTO's do is so they can print the registration list. I just hope they don't decide to wait until the day before next time to release the list. I know a few PTO's that would really cause problems for.

Oh and as far as certain people being in the know goes. It happened with Wizards too, it is just they knew how to keep there mouths shut. There are always people that have the information before others. There is a reason for it. Those of us that know how to keep quiet know more then others.

 

[old man]

Old Man, I think BJJ763 was joking when he stated this. Since he is a Mod he has the power to do what he posted, but has not and I really dont think he will.

Maybe he was joking and maybe not. He had his moderator "hat" on at the time & I certainly couldn't tell if he was joking.

And for whoever made the post a while back that implied that because I made posts on the OKLA thread & I might have gotten from the PTO, you are wrong. Yes I am involved with the OK tournament, have been in some capacity of just about every OK upper level tournament. Again from no PTO did I get the info.

Note that now the Team Aqua's Kyogre is posted on the official website.
Maybe someone ought to inform them that they shouldn't have done that because it's before the tournament & someone might get an unfair advantage. Even if everyone on the gym looked at it, they might have an advantage over someone without the internet & we can't be having that!

 

[old man]

farbsman - Now you are making accusations that 1 of the PTO's that I know has given me the list. How many times do I have to say that this did not come from any PTO.

Maybe I have computer hacking skills.
Maybe I have the PTO login screen name.
Maybe I have a friend who works in the Seattle area.
Maybe I have relatives in the Seattle area.
Maybe I have the PTO password.
Maybe I got lucky.
Maybe I have mad computer skillz.

Whatever the case, if anyone has read the post throughout all of this, there is a person who's admitted that I got it from them. Or maybe it's a typo.

 

[Gym Leader Blaine]

And for whoever made the post a while back that implied that because I made posts on the OKLA thread & I might have gotten from the PTO, you are wrong. Yes I am involved with the OK tournament, have been in some capacity of just about every OK upper level tournament. Again from no PTO did I get the info.

It could be true that you didnt get the information from the PTO but somewhere elss, but since you are not stating where you gottit it could be implied my PUI that you did get it from your PTO since you are involved with upper tournaments in OK.

I think the main reason you are getting the flack is that the morning it was given to the PTOs you posted the list, so it looks like you got it from the PTO. I have had the list since Monday that someone emailed to me. Even when other PTOs were asking for the list from PUI I said nothing WHY???? Cause it was not my place to do so. PUI has the right to release information to who they want when they want, not me.

I have been a PTO with PUI since the R/S Challenge. I have seen the group over the past months grown together, make friends, and become a family of ideas. I have made some really good friends cause of it. Being a PTO is not easy at sometimes, it takes a lot of hard work to put stuff together and make the touranments happen. We are not in it for the fame and glory that you might think. I do it so the players in my area have the chance to play in some nice tournament for a game they and I enjoy playing. With the Dragon Prerelease someone stated what the card was and what they got in packs before the tournament, and PUI was not happen. Since then the PTOs watch out for eachother and make sure we are all in good standings so we can continue to run tournaments for you players in our area. I think some of the frustation comes from if you got it from your PTO or not, but how PUI will look at it, which could get your PTO in trouble, which none of us want to happen.

 

[Gym Leader Blaine]

farbsman - Now you are making accusations that 1 of the PTO's that I know has given me the list. How many times do I have to say that this did not come from any PTO.

Maybe I have the PTO login screen name.
Maybe I have the PTO password..

Looks like we are going to have to change the super secret password and club handshake And I was just starting to get it right.

 

[BJJ763]

old man i am not a PTO. I might be a TO (i applied, accepted, went to the site once to test it out, went recently and couldn't get in, so i might not be anymore. Don't know. Don't care as right now there's no place to hold tourneys hopefully will change after tomorrow's prerelease). But one thing i am is sarcastic. Can be very at times. If i had the list, and was not sworn to secrecy, i would've released it. I don't have a list.

The argument that we should not know what is in the set until it is released is weak. Spoilers can be found at fakecard. com. From those you can derive a core set of what's in the release. But you do not know what the cards do - mistranslations and/or translation changes can occur (or nick not even having it translated!). The Meiji promos are a surprise. But many people, when they pull them, won't know what they are. Unless they have the Meiji promos (have 4 sets myself). They will just go "Oh a card that was not in nick's spoilers, wonder where it came from." Since i don't read Japanese, i am looking forward to seeing what these cards do (probably nothing earth shattering and i still wonder why they were added as opposed to making them League Promos). And i wonder where the Charizard line is (if Secret cards, "What Charizard line is Secret cards again? Will every set now on have a Secret Charizard line?").

 

[RainbowRichards]

you have 4 sets?!?!?I keep forgetting, you collect 3 sets... how/where do you get them? oops, I strayed OT again...

The joke's on me, and the yolk's on PUI, with this set. Unplayable (in any draft or sealed format - like, perhaps, a prerelease?) EX holos, a hodge-podge of unrelated cards thrown together... oh well, I'm still going to the Prerelease(s)

 

[UncleBob]

It isn't a power trip for us.

IMHO, some people did make it sound as if it were a power trip...

As far as the "don't look if you don't want to see the list" crap. The minute you see that you want to look, even if you don't want to know. Curiousity gets the best of you and you look.

That's where self control comes in. For an example, I didn't want to have The Legend of Zelda; The Wind Waker spoiled for me - and trust me, there were plenty of spoilers all around the net. So, should I have went around the net yelling at every one who posted Wind Waker spoilers around the net? No. I had to use my own, personal self control *not* to go places that would have huge Zelda spoilers, and if I did, then click the little "x" in the top, right hand corner..

I really don't see any reason anyone needs to know the set list before Saturday. Only reason the PTO's do is so they can print the registration list. I just hope they don't decide to wait until the day before next time to release the list. I know a few PTO's that would really cause problems for.

I don't understand the registration thing, so someone will have to explain it to me why the PTO needs the list of cards a few days before the event?

 

[RainbowRichards]

I don't understand the registration thing, so someone will have to explain it to me why the PTO needs the list of cards a few days before the event?

What happens at the Prerelease tourney is - you get your 6 packs and a blank setlist form. You open your packs (when the announcement is made) and mark down all the cards you found in those packs on the form. Then you make a deck and also mark which cards went into that deck on the form.

So the TO has to have sufficient copies printed out prior to the event. The master form comes to the TO in the box with all the boosters and stuff, which s/he receives beforehand.

 

[Freddy K.]

=|

Old Man - what you did was wrong but I initially thought 'it's a hoax, don't believe it'... now that your list may have some credence I feel sorry and pity on you for breaching the trust but happily am looking forward to tomorrow's Pre-release as I cannot remember all the cards on your spoiler... nor will I give you any weight in your arguments for justifying such actions in checking it again.

You didn't think about your actions, an apology would be better than any of your self-righteous excuses.

~fK

 

[SteveP]

yah, it's a matter of National Security if you release "secret" information early.

Here's one, expect some secrets to be revealed tomorrow that will surprise you.

Leaking tidbits of information was always a GOOD thing back in the WOTC days. Remember those DMTM posts? They were fun. I miss that.

Listen, 95% (or more) of the people that go to the prereleases WILL be surprised. And, those who read the Pokemon boards will DEFINATELY be going anyway. So, IMO, I don't see much damage, if any, caused here.

What I DO see are PTOs who think that somehow THEY'VE been violated because someone else revealed information that they were sworn to keep secret. I feel bad that they feel that way, but I don't feel non-PTOs leaking information is wrong. Sorry if you PTOs feel different.

 

[ukpokemonpro]

old man,

I cannot believe the stick you are getting for this will everyone just lighten up here a little .. sheesh.

Freddy K look matey you know me .. read the above there is no apology needed here, old man has no contract with PUI, no responsibilty to them, the only responsibility he has in my mind is to whoever was the source of the list and anyway it's not like it tells you about 96/95 or anything like that

He has stimulated some interest surely a good thing for a game not bad?

Steve P gotta agree with you on everything!

As for pre-releases not happening well that's just scare mongering.

Has PUI got all the PTOs so scared for their precious tidbits, insider knowledge and Privilege that the posting of a list sends them all into a panic!

Goodness what has really happened here? Just a bit of knowledge has been shared 2 days before we all get to know it anyway!

 

[PokePop]

Has PUI got all the PTOs and Mods so scared for their precious tidbits, insider knowledge and Privilege that the posting of a list sends them all into a panic!

Um....what mods have said anything (other than BJJ's sarcastic response which was actually in support of Old Man) on this topic??
Have we locked or deleted this topic?

 

[Gym Leader Blaine]

Leaking tidbits of information was always a GOOD thing back in the WOTC days. Remember those DMTM posts? They were fun. I miss that.

Ture, but DMTM had the right as one since he worked for WOTC to release such information.

What I DO see are PTOs who think that somehow THEY'VE been violated because someone else revealed information that they were sworn to keep secret. I feel bad that they feel that way, but I don't feel non-PTOs leaking information is wrong. Sorry if you PTOs feel different.

Thanks for your Sorry I feel better now

yes a non-PTO leaked the information, but the question some of use have is if that non-PTO was given it by a PTO. That is what concerns some of the PTOs my friend.