THE ANSWER as seen by Jimmy Ballard
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We tried it
My son built it and we played a few games with it. I also play a rougue deck so we haven't tried it against GAG or Magmortar. There is an issue with the set up so we will be tweeking the trainer line a bit. We do have 4 + weeks to play with it. My son (who is 12) loves decks with a lot going on and hates GAG decks so he is very enthusiastic about playing this deck.
Thanks for sharing.
My son built it and we played a few games with it. I also play a rougue deck so we haven't tried it against GAG or Magmortar. There is an issue with the set up so we will be tweeking the trainer line a bit. We do have 4 + weeks to play with it. My son (who is 12) loves decks with a lot going on and hates GAG decks so he is very enthusiastic about playing this deck.
Thanks for sharing.
pichu bros. rox
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I've tried it and if you don't start with Furret, it doesn't matter where you are in the game, USE IT. That is from testing. Getting any 4 cards out of your deck mid-game is gr8!!!
Flygon999
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Is your Furret a misprint?
it's probibly worth something........ the real Furret only let's you get 2 cards, not 4. :lol:Magic_Umbreon
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Does he mean use it twice? I think you would get the chance, just not against Gallade. It depends on the situation I would imagine as to the best course of action.
EDIT: See? According to Yoshi below you get 4 cards as it can use the attack twice.
EDIT: See? According to Yoshi below you get 4 cards as it can use the attack twice.
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pichu bros. rox
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^ and ^^ correct
~Blazi-King~
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If it doesnt then your doing something wrong...
The first one is SUPPOSED to be KO'd, that way you dont waste any NRG attachments (Which are Key).
I was helping Jimmy, with the deck Last week, and then disappeared. (Sorry Jimmy!) Ive had schooling to do except for Saturday, and haven't been around....
Im glad to see that Furret is in this lsit now, seeing as how we were having setup issues and Trainer issues. That certainly accomplishes that.
Deck Fix:
Personally, Id switch the LB for CB, seeing as how the only thing you'll hit for Weakness is Magmoratar, and right now..There seems to be more GG at the moment.
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o-ren-itachi
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ok i tested with this today and after i changed around it a little i have got it working very well and i can always set up fast
(TYranitarFReak)
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I tried against GG and mortar.
GG - w furret, power locking isnt too big of a problem. Gallade kills extremely fast, which is hard to recover. Once your first furret is down, you're going down because you dont have any drawer or seacher. You rely on normal draws... pidgeot d hits for 40 w dre, plus 80 from gyarados, gallade's still standing... lame.
mortar - Much much better for gyara-geot as they're slower. Gyarados kills tar lightning-fast, and w/o draw + attachment they're going nowhere.
GG - w furret, power locking isnt too big of a problem. Gallade kills extremely fast, which is hard to recover. Once your first furret is down, you're going down because you dont have any drawer or seacher. You rely on normal draws... pidgeot d hits for 40 w dre, plus 80 from gyarados, gallade's still standing... lame.
mortar - Much much better for gyara-geot as they're slower. Gyarados kills tar lightning-fast, and w/o draw + attachment they're going nowhere.
~Blazi-King~
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GG w- Furret..I dont see how your doing that well...If both players are using Furret to setup and the Pidgeot player is just waiting for the KO, then how is the Pidgeot player dying that quickly? Are you actually going aggro with Gallade? Most good GG players will play the setup game, cuz once the P'eot d hits the ground, they'll need all the setup they can get to survive that lock. On top of that After the P'eot Player's Furret is dead, its going to take the remaining 5 prizes to kill either a Gyarados or Pidgeot...Then the max damage output has been reduced dramatically for the GG Player, and with the WP's Sonic Blade Has also been neutralized...
Its actually a MUCH harder match up than your making it out to be...
Very nice in theory, but in practice I have doubts. Nonetheless I really like the concept. I thought of using Pidgeot SW with either holon wp or unown g + drakes stadium to make it do well against Gallade but oddly enough even though I thought of holon wp, Pidgeot d didn't occur to me. I also thought of Togekiss/Gyarados with the same W/p idea then using cesstation crystal after I got the energy I needed to shut down everything else then retreating when I got another Togekiss if I needed more energy, didn't actually build that, just a random idea floating in my head.
In terms of starters you've really only got Sentret. The rest aren't too good, especially Magikarp, since base set I've had terrible experience with using this fish (but I've liked almost every Gyarados including this one and tried fancy combos with them, from base, to misty's, to shining gyarados, gyarados ex... gyarados d). I thought you could use delta basic/pidgeotto instead and play holon lake to make it so all your basics except Sentret can search out stuff like Pidgeotto d, Pidgeot d and Magikarp d, but trainers are pretty limited here and you've already got lake boundary and beach. Furret is very overworked, I think, the deck could work really well if you find a way to relieve the stress the deck places on it.
I also doubt it beats a well played Gallade more than 50% of the time. Okay your plan in theory is to use Pidgeot and force the set up pokemon out so they can't use Garde lvl x and snipe with Octillery if they bring random set up pokemon up. Gallade needs to flip one prize to OHKO Octillery (two with dre) with no way to recover it, you are back to square one, they still have the bring down option. You've only got one in the deck as well which gives you consistency issues of doom. Gardevoir itself also doesn't perform badly as an attacker against you being assured a 2hko on anything you have.
Magmortar I like your chances against. Their best play is sniping Pidgeot d and attempting to get the deck running again, they might get a bit of good set up before you get Pidgeot d but unlike G&G there are far fewer big options for them.
Although most of my comments appear negative I am actually pretty impressed, but consistency, luck screws (they plague every deck but this one seems even more prone to them) and anyone who dares to play something else are going to give you grief.
In terms of starters you've really only got Sentret. The rest aren't too good, especially Magikarp, since base set I've had terrible experience with using this fish (but I've liked almost every Gyarados including this one and tried fancy combos with them, from base, to misty's, to shining gyarados, gyarados ex... gyarados d). I thought you could use delta basic/pidgeotto instead and play holon lake to make it so all your basics except Sentret can search out stuff like Pidgeotto d, Pidgeot d and Magikarp d, but trainers are pretty limited here and you've already got lake boundary and beach. Furret is very overworked, I think, the deck could work really well if you find a way to relieve the stress the deck places on it.
I also doubt it beats a well played Gallade more than 50% of the time. Okay your plan in theory is to use Pidgeot and force the set up pokemon out so they can't use Garde lvl x and snipe with Octillery if they bring random set up pokemon up. Gallade needs to flip one prize to OHKO Octillery (two with dre) with no way to recover it, you are back to square one, they still have the bring down option. You've only got one in the deck as well which gives you consistency issues of doom. Gardevoir itself also doesn't perform badly as an attacker against you being assured a 2hko on anything you have.
Magmortar I like your chances against. Their best play is sniping Pidgeot d and attempting to get the deck running again, they might get a bit of good set up before you get Pidgeot d but unlike G&G there are far fewer big options for them.
Although most of my comments appear negative I am actually pretty impressed, but consistency, luck screws (they plague every deck but this one seems even more prone to them) and anyone who dares to play something else are going to give you grief.
Darkwalker
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If this were to catch on as a counter deck to G&G wouldn't a simple Gardevoir Ex d completely wreck everything your deck is working towards?
meganium45
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Right now I have some issues with the deck.
1. Slow
Too. Slow.
It gets munched by faster decks out there.
Vince
1. Slow
Too. Slow.
It gets munched by faster decks out there.
Vince
Papi/Manny
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Yeah, thats why I liked the absol build. It was more faster (though less consistant) and the disruption often lead to a complete lockdown on decks.
LOL
Flygon999
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LOL
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