I definitely don't understand why Regionals doesn't give trips to worlds, yet Gym Challenges do. There is definitely some hiarchy problems there. IMHO, there needs to be trips to worlds on the line at regionals too, but that's just me. But because Regionals are before Nationals, they only give trips to Nationals. Eh, well I guess that's better than what other games give out.
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a_shy_girl_1999
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im just getting started on nationals for my cousin and it is expensive... the 300 dosent even cover half of what the trip is going to cost ... lol ... but the comment on the first post here... play to win, or dont play? thats just wrong... me, i play to have fun... i mean i try my best, but if i lose, its fine... and after my matches im usually the first one to say good game... win or loose... if you win great job, ... but winning shouldnt be everything thoulgh... all the premier events ive been to ive met new people, and thats fine for me ...
the prizes are great for these events, and i dont see a problem with them or any reason to complain... i mean, most of them are free to play in anyways, right? ^_^
the prizes are great for these events, and i dont see a problem with them or any reason to complain... i mean, most of them are free to play in anyways, right? ^_^
The whole Prize structure, as it relates to World Invites is flat out stupid.
Gym Challenge? Are you kidding me? Most Gym Challenges don't even crack 30 people in attendance. Cities are more competitive than Gyms by far. I think States should get you a trip to Nationals just cause that fits the generally accepted structure that we have in the sports world. But then we have a dilemma because theoretically we would just have our 1 National Champion go to the World Championship. So how to you make the event bigger? Simple, you bring more than just National Champions. Okay, fine. But Gym Challenges aren't the way to do it. Maybe Top 32 at Nationals or something, I dunno.
Its too bad we can't get a system that could just competition levels and give extra invites to the competitive areas.
Just a heads up, if I don't have an invite to Worlds I will be looking to prey on some horrible Gym Challenge for my trip. You guys know who you are so save me a seat.
Gym Challenge? Are you kidding me? Most Gym Challenges don't even crack 30 people in attendance. Cities are more competitive than Gyms by far. I think States should get you a trip to Nationals just cause that fits the generally accepted structure that we have in the sports world. But then we have a dilemma because theoretically we would just have our 1 National Champion go to the World Championship. So how to you make the event bigger? Simple, you bring more than just National Champions. Okay, fine. But Gym Challenges aren't the way to do it. Maybe Top 32 at Nationals or something, I dunno.
Its too bad we can't get a system that could just competition levels and give extra invites to the competitive areas.
Just a heads up, if I don't have an invite to Worlds I will be looking to prey on some horrible Gym Challenge for my trip. You guys know who you are so save me a seat.
Maybe top to bottom but the talent at the top of the Midwest is some of the best talent concentration in the World. It really depends how big you want to make these "Regions" but using the generally accepted Regions (SoCal, NorCal, NW) I'd humbly take the E4 over any other foursome. Again though, when you talk about the field as a whole, California is at the top, bare none. Washington is no slouch either though.
a_shy_girl_1999
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gym, nationals ... thats way over 100+ invites right there.. dosent that make more people in the grinder a chance to get in? i dont get why all the complaining... theres still ways to get in worlds .... i actually think its better .... imo
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Like what?a_shy_girl_1999 said:
Absolution
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a_shy_girl_1999 said:
If we're talking 15+, no, it's still just EIGHT invites at the Grinder. I don't see where you got the idea that more people would get in at the Grinder...
I think, if we're looking at skilled player concentration, the Midwest has Nats, West Coast has the Grinder (albeit a longer drive for most.) I think upping the amount of invites at both events (probably moreso at the Grinder, as there's a greater population of players) would be a solid idea.
That, IMO, would best offset the lack of invites at Regionals. Although I don't see why those were taken away in the first place - has anyone been able to answer that yet?
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100 invites? 49 Gyms in the U.S. not including Puerto Rico, 8 from Nationals, 8 from Grinder (assuming all of those are Amercians), so MAYBE 65? Nice logic, that's a lot less than 100 per age group. As for competitive areas, I think mass is a big deal, especially with the things that always seem to happen around here. I'd take a tournament with 30 total players in the 15+, with about 5-6 pros over a tournament with 80 players of all sorts in the 15+. I see this turning into another East Coast vs West Coast battle, so I'll just stop there.
EDIT: one more thing i've mentioned before: POP decided last year that the Grinder was going to only allow 8 players in and they've decided it now. I don't think they should go back on it now, in reality it should be the toughest place to earn an invite, because what *SHOULD* happen is most of the good players already have an invite. Yes, there is a lot of players in the Grinder, but you shouldn't be able to just show up (I realize it costs $$) and get in through a Top 32. More Invites at Nationals and/or Regionals is a much better solution, but that's not the way it's going this year.
EDIT: one more thing i've mentioned before: POP decided last year that the Grinder was going to only allow 8 players in and they've decided it now. I don't think they should go back on it now, in reality it should be the toughest place to earn an invite, because what *SHOULD* happen is most of the good players already have an invite. Yes, there is a lot of players in the Grinder, but you shouldn't be able to just show up (I realize it costs $$) and get in through a Top 32. More Invites at Nationals and/or Regionals is a much better solution, but that's not the way it's going this year.
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TacC said:
Well, I have to assume you simply made up your data for your post, so it would suit your argument. AVERAGE attenance for Gyms last year was 58 players, that's not exactly a small event. Only ONE Gym Challenge failed to crack the 30 player mark in '05. So, that's hardly 'most' not hitting that mark. Trust me, I have the actual data sitting right in front of me.
In addition, our attendance averages have grown approximately 25% on average over each of the last 2 seasons, and we don't expect this to drop off significantly, as we've already seen a good increase in attendance at the State championship level. If we were to simply grow our average attendance by 10% overall, we'd see an average near 65 players at Gyms this year.
I'm sorry that many of you don't see the logic in the flow of events, and I question whether or not you'd be arguing for invites to Worlds via Regionals, had they had not been there last year.
Cities to States. States to Regionals/Nationals. Regionals to Nationals. Nationals to Worlds. These are all title events, and flow naturally in this fashion.
The Gym Challenge series exists at this time to create a wider base of invitational events that can be attended by a larger total population of players. Those players who cannot travel to a Regional, are therefore still potentially able to attend a Gym and have a chance of earning a Worlds invite.
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Professor Dav said:
If numbers are growing, why are you giving less invites? Shouldn't it follow logic that with MORE players joining the game, MORE invites should be given out? Not LESS?
No tournament...including Worlds...can increase attendance infinitely; it stands to reason that as the player base gets larger, it will actually become more DIFFICULT to get into Worlds.
And that's how it should be...Worlds is not going to expand to a 'four day' tourney, and I believe it was stated last year by either Dave or Mike that top cut would never be larger than T32...
JMHO,
'mom
And that's how it should be...Worlds is not going to expand to a 'four day' tourney, and I believe it was stated last year by either Dave or Mike that top cut would never be larger than T32...
JMHO,
'mom
Flaming_Spinach
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SD PokéMom said:
Alright, but what makes no sense is that while attendance is going UP, the number of invites is going DOWN. Could you explain how that makes any sense at all?
Professor Dav
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ryanvergel said:
Whether or not it's logical depends on what your goals for Worlds are. The general tone I get from this entire discussion is that more people want to be invited, period. If we open more invitations, more people have the opportunity, and therefore believe that they'll be able to go.
The World Championships is an elite event, where a limited number of players are invited to compete. That limit does not increase proportionately to the number of players in the world at a given time. Therefore, the more players there are, the more elite the event becomes, as invitations become harder to get, and are at a premium, as they should be.
The National Championships, conversely, should be viewed in a slightly different light, and are intended as the premium national event for each country. The National Champion from a given country should be recognized as the 'elite' player from that country for the season in which they won their National title. Hence, the shift to adding travel to Nationals for Regional Champions. Each step is a progression along the track to the ultimate goal, an invitation to participate at Worlds. This should not get easier, it should get harder.
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I don't believe it's my place to comment on sales data, and therefore, I won't.
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Thx Dave for the info! :clap: Plus, with many players in quite abit of the country not having "easy" access to Columbus,OH (site of Nats) makes the case EASY to include gym winners = worlds invites. I think POP/PUI has thought this through, although it would have been nice to keep Worlds invites for the top winner/2 at Regionals (bc not all of those may attend Nats).
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Nah, I stated that I simply didn't want the number of invites to DECREASE.
We went from 78 invites last year to 58 this year. WOW!
48+26+4=last year
50+8=this year
We've had an increase in numbers, but dropped off invites by as much as we've increased attendances? Seems pretty harsh to me.
I liked last year's system. I don't like the idea of the number of invites decreasing when the number of players increases, maybe that's just me?
I think you guys fail to realize that even if trips stay the SAME, it will get harder. More people are starting to play. By reducing trip count, you're double the difficulty. More players are coming, and less invites are being given out. It's hitting us twice as hard.
We went from 78 invites last year to 58 this year. WOW!
48+26+4=last year
50+8=this year
We've had an increase in numbers, but dropped off invites by as much as we've increased attendances? Seems pretty harsh to me.
I liked last year's system. I don't like the idea of the number of invites decreasing when the number of players increases, maybe that's just me?
I think you guys fail to realize that even if trips stay the SAME, it will get harder. More people are starting to play. By reducing trip count, you're double the difficulty. More players are coming, and less invites are being given out. It's hitting us twice as hard.
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