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The Greatest Mirror Ever Played - The Champ who should have been Champ

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Abuse of power would be preventing Gino from saying bad things about one of the owners of this board.
A mod does not give up his right to voice his own opinion just because he mods part of these forums.
You would take away his voice and only allow those that agree with you?
Talk about abuse.

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Magnechu said:
StoneCold, not sure who you are, but your time analogies to other sports is horribly flawed. In those games listed, you're not playing towards a certain number like you are in Pokemon, you're playing to have a higher score than your opponent at the end of time. That shouldn't be the objective in Pokemon. The objective should be to draw all 6 prizes/bench your opponent/deck your opponent. Period. Time exists but you should play as it didn't.

Gino, GJ on the season. Maybe we'll actually play a game this year. Not at TJs though.
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Nonetheless, if you read what was written. There are penalties for abusing that in POKEMON!

CORRECT??

So don't wait until the time has elapsed to determine a penalty!! Make the announcement of a
time extension before the game ends. A little more fair that way, right?

We are playing a match. I'm moving slower so the judge cautions./ You have a bench full of Powers-Bodies judge says you need to speed up./ My turn, judge warns speed up./Your turn. Time is called I have one prize. You have two./ I win right?
So then a meeting is called and a decision to extend for 5 minutes is made???? So while
I'm SEETHING inside I continue playing???CONTINUE PLAYING???? WHAT?

My last motion is to plead that if a decision like that is to be made again...announce the extension of
time BEFORE it expires!
 
StoneCold said:
WORSHIP THE GUY? Let's see...YOU KNOW WHAT I NEED? LOOK, let me reitorate if you
want to make it a personal bashing of Gino go do it somewhere else. This is a discussion of
him as a player of LEGACY. Not a personal insult fest!
I must also say that when a MODERATOR (PABLO)comes on here to voice his PERSONAL dislike
about another POKEMON PLAYER that to me is ABUSE OF POWER and should not be allowed!!!!!
Maybe you should practice what you PREACH about SPIRIT OF THE GAME!!!!

WORSHIP? NO THE WORD IS R E S P E C T!! Repect for the ELITE! Oh...possibly the better word
for you is JEALOUSY!!:nonono:
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If my post was a personal offense, abuse of power, or something of the sort, I would surely be held to a higher standard than most, and recieve stricter infractions and punishment.

Gino had an incredible season, he eliminated any doubt that his Nationals performance was a fluke in my opinion, but to act like this after such events, does not portray him as a good example of what others who could potentially do just as well in future seasons should act, nor is it a good example for the younger kids to look up to when going into Masters. And that is not an opinion that is simply common sense.
 
PokePop said:
Abuse of power would be preventing Gino from saying bad things about one of the owners of this board.
A mod does give up his right to voice his own opinion just because he mods part of these forums.
You would take away his voice and only allow those that agree with you?
Talk about abuse.
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No. That OPINION should have been stricken from this site and a caution not to do it again would
be sufficient. Again we are speaking of a young man that should be corrected...NOT INSULTED.
 
The fact that a game loss could've actually been an option for either player in that game is over judging. It could've RUINED the World Championship. Thank goodness they didn't go through with it, but it's WRONG that that had to be an issue when the players should only be thinking about the game. Issue all the time extensions you want, don't have the judges decide the world championship instead of the players. Just the fact that both players could've had to play with a game loss on their mind could've made for some terrible mistakes. (like Jason forgetting to Dark Palm)
I can understand why Gino is mad, because he got a GAME LOSS for playing slow in top 8 or top 16 at nats. That was ridiculous to me.
 
I'd like to thank everyone that posted for their oppinions on my report even if I disagree with them. I look forward to the 2009 season. :cool:

- Its Geo Baby
 
Magnechu said:
StoneCold, not sure who you are, but your time analogies to other sports is horribly flawed. In those games listed, you're not playing towards a certain number like you are in Pokemon, you're playing to have a higher score than your opponent at the end of time. That shouldn't be the objective in Pokemon. The objective should be to draw all 6 prizes/bench your opponent/deck your opponent. Period. Time exists but you should play as it didn't.

Gino, GJ on the season. Maybe we'll actually play a game this year. Not at TJs though.
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Whoa, Mikey. You're way off, man! Look, I don't know how you guys do things up in Barrow, Alaska, but there's definitely a different mindset down here.

Play as if time didn't exist? If I played as if time didn't exist I wouldn't have won Worlds once. There is nothing in the rules that says you should disregard the time and just play as if it didn't exist - how lame would that be if there was?

Take Worlds 2006. In Top 8 I'm playing a Mewtrick mirror against Eric C, leading 1 Game to 0. He has 1 prize left to draw to beat me in Game 2 and we're running low in time. I haven't drawn a single prize. I can forfeit here, because I have no way of winning, or I can use a combination of Admin, Girafarig's Foresight & Pow to try to stick something active and hope he doesn't draw enough energy. That's exactly what I did. And it turns out he didn't draw an energy. Time ends up being called 2 turns later. I completed my turns in a timely manner. Would you call that win illegitimate?

Likewise, there are turns I would not take a knockout in an untimed game, but knowing time is running low, I will take a questionable knockout to tie up the game - or take the lead.

The idea of comparing Pokemon to say basketball or football, where your objective is to be leading when time is called is 100% accurate. There is absolutely no difference. You have no "obligation" to play as if there was no time, or alter your strategy to pretend you don't know how much time is left. It's part of the game. It always has been. It always will be. And it always SHOULD be.
 
I was the Head Judge at Nationals Master's Division so in all honesty I am the person that had to issue Gino his Game Lose. I Stand by the ruling. Gino received multiple verbal warnings about slow play including an obvious abuse of time in a match I was sitting on. So the next round I actually had to put a judge with a stopwatch on his match both players were warned that if any slow play happened a penalty would be given Gino decided to push the issue and penalties were given up to the point where he earned his game loss. Am I proud of this does it make me feel good?..............No I'm not proud but I am not ashamed either, but it doesn't make me feel good I would have much rather had the match played out and decided by the players. I'm honestly sorry it couldn't be but a blatant abuse of time as I and my judging staff witnessed by Gino can not go excused and so that is why if I had it to do again I would still issue the game loss.

My only assumption is that you don't know Mr. Richard Walkoski because a finer more unbiased Judge I have never met and the things you've accused him of a lesser man would not have stood for. As for the rest of the fine Gentlemen you have tried to tarnish with your keyboard they are better men than I for it makes me irate to read what you have posted and I could not sit by and let it go any further without defending them in some way.

Congratulations on winning Nationals and your third place at Worlds Gino you played very well and you had some great luck on your side(as is needed for anyone who does well in this game) Am I sorry you won, no sir I am not. Do I like how you've acted since, that would also be a no. I measure a man by his actions and your actions speak lowly of you.


Good Day Sir

BLiZz
 
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Okay I exaggerated it a bit. I'll agree with you that you should play based on knowledge of time, but I don't think that the analogy was very accurate because the objective at the start of the game is different. Maybe I should've phrased it that way. At the beginning of a Pokemon game, the objective is to draw 6 prizes, or at least in my view. I never go into a game thinking "I should win this on time." If it comes down to that, okay, but it's never my first thought. My first thought is always "I should draw all 6 of my prizes." However, when I play soccer, my first thought is always "We need to score more goals than the opposing team."

Different mindsets, I guess, maybe I'm too nice a guy/not competitive enough :p

I know where you're coming from thought, Jason, because we know full well that when we played in Nationals, that after I won game 1, if I got set up, the game probably wasn't finishing. So, I apologize for the comment, StoneCold, I was just a little vexed by the analogy ;x
 
BLiZzArD said:
I was the Head Judge at Nationals Master's Division so in all honesty I am the person that had to issue Gino his Game Lose. I Stand by the ruling. Gino received multiple verbal warnings about slow play including an obvious abuse of time in a match I was sitting on. So the next round I actually had to put a judge with a stopwatch on his match both players were warned that if any slow play happened a penalty would be given Gino decided to push the issue and penalties were given up to the point where he earned his game loss. Am I proud of this does it make me feel good?..............No I'm not proud but I am not ashamed either, but it doesn't make me feel good I would have much rather had the match played out and decided by the players. I'm honestly sorry it couldn't be but a blatant abuse of time as I and my judging staff witnessed by Gino can not go excused and so that is why if I had it to do again I would still issue the game loss.

My only assumption is that you don't know Mr. Richard Walkoski because a finer more unbiased Judge I have never met and the things you've accused him of a lesser man would not have stood for. As for the rest of the fine Gentlemen you have tried to tarnish with your keyboard they are better men than I for it makes me irate to read what you have posted and I could not sit by and let it go any further without defending them in some way.

Congratulations on winning Nationals and your third place at Worlds Gino you played very well and you had some great luck on your side(as is needed for anyone who does well in this game) Am I sorry you won, no sir I am not. Do I like how you've acted since, that would also be a no. I measure a man by his actions and your actions speak lowly of you.


Good Day Sir

BLiZz
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Very well said Blizzard. Gno, you had a damn good season, and it seems like that's stlll not good enough for you. Winning the largest nationals ever is certainly not a small feat. Your skill was proven after being able to pull off a 3rd place win at Worlds. You had a great run, and you should be proud of yourself! Yes, your SOTG still needs work, but it's something we can all improve on, right?
 
I am glad that this was posted. It has been a good read. Now I don't feel so bad about my son not winning Nationals because a judge lays a clip board on his game for 5 minutes to discuss another game and give no time extension. Or calling the game over on time while by son is playing on the final turn. They were alot of good Judges at each tournament this year that deserve huge props. But a couple of bad ones and it is just a couple that can so bring this game down. There were also a few really great Judges that didn't get to Judge this year that I have respect for that I felt should have been giving invitations. Good to know that we will see them again one day doing what they do best. I just hope that something can be put together to get rid of the bad ones or at least get them an education.
 
Ok so I have stayed quiet so far on this topic but I decided to throw in my 2 cents.

I know many of the top judges at Worlds and Nats have judged top cut matches and have felt the intensity and the pressure that comes along with that but believe me there really is a difference between judging in them and actually playing in them. I can not even begin to explain how much pressure and excitement are involved expecially in close games where you know every move matters and just one little mistake could cost you not only the game but scholarship money, a Worlds invite and so much more in prizes. I would be shocked if knowing a judge is watching your match with a stop watch just waiting to hand out penltys would not have an effect on how you played. And personally I disagree with giving Gino a gameloss in top 8 at Nats -Judges should not decide championships, You could have sat there and given time extentions till you were blue in the face and I would have supported you. As we all know that the Plox/Empoleon match up is usually very close and could go either way and most of them at Nats probally were decided on third games and to think how easily we could have had a different National champion on something as small as Gino taken a while to think through his moves, well that just doesn't sit right with me. I strongly petition POP to have top 8 on games untimed. Let the players decide who there new champion is not the clock.

The same thing for the Top 4 game at Worlds, the fact that Jason forgot to do something as big as Dark Palming only further shows the pressure time restraints have on players. Keep in mind this is a not complaint about the judges rather me complaining about what I consiser to be a broken system.

Blizzard: I was not trying to make a personal attack against you (and i certainly hope you didn't take it that way) just simply stating my opinion, I tried to do it respectfully, just becuase I disagree with one of your rulings does not mean I don't think your a good judge or I have a personal problem with you.

One last issue I feel like I really have to address is that many of you have stated how you think Gino has poor SOTG but out at Worlds I heard some of the most horrible comments about Gino and not only Gino, a small group got into it with his "mom" and were calling her horrible names. Guys that was not his mom, shes not even related to Gino. All I'm saying is don't have a double standard. Don't sit there and say how Gino has poor Spirt of the Game and then turn around and bad mouth him.

I really tried to give a non bias view point on this, I only hope this will allow people to take this my comments seriously.
 
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Magnechu said:
I know where you're coming from thought, Jason, because we know full well that when we played in Nationals, that after I won game 1, if I got set up, the game probably wasn't finishing. So, I apologize for the comment, StoneCold, I was just a little vexed by the analogy ;x
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Thanks for the apology. You are a big person MAGNECHU and Jason YOU have my full RESPECT!
You are truly an ELITE player in my opinion! I really admire what guys like you, Yamato, Ballard,
Silvestro and Gino have become concerning this game! I only hope that my son can soon join this
group of successful Pokemon TCG masters!!

As I re-read the list of names, I can't help but notice the different PERSONALITIES that each one
of you have. A broad spectrum to say the least. I just hope that in the future, if a moderator reads
remarks that could be harsh to any one person or group, that they have the courtesy to STRIKE it
from the forum, CORRECT the person about behavior and not CRUCIFY their character along with
others that may be doing the same thing!
I believe a mistake can be corrected...people show emotion differently. People express themselves
differently...remember that if we are not part of the solution than we are part of the problem!!
 
I agree with Mikey. We understand that these is a need for time limits- and that only a fool would not acknowledge, anticipate, and integrate this fact into his or her mind. However, the card game has 3 ways in which one can win a game, as defined by the rule book- drawing 6 prizes cards, when your opponent has no more benched pokemon, or when your opponent cannot draw a card at the beginning of his or her turn. To hound the judges for not handing over a match because you claimed time penalties should have been given- or time extensions should not be given?

I think in any ideal circumstance, such as worlds top 4 when we have the time- extensions should be given. The only reason we even HAVE these time limits is because of constraints- but if we no longer have those constraints, like in worlds T4 when we have the time to do it- then why wouldn't we? It's pretty disgustingly low to say you deserved to win on an unavoidable technicality because of the imperfections of the game =\ It's a shame that time limits have to be imposed- and it's even MORE shameful that our national champion both obviously exploits these time limits to gain an advantage, even to the point of getting penalties for it and is upset because he wasn't able to win by one of these exploits. This is why you may have done better at worlds than any other national champion, but you are easily the most hated US player in the world. You have disgusted everyone I know. You are arrogant, selfish, and your sense of right/wrong is completely skewed. I feel ashamed to have Gino Lombardi as my national champion. Ashamed from outsiders seeing his actions and words, ashamed that a player could win such a large event that undoubtedly relies on some luck and is just superbly arrogant, ashamed that this same player is supposed to be a role model for younger children.

You were the champ who should not have been champ. You didn't deserve to win against Jason- and you don't deserve to have a time penalty give it to you. I think that by bringing these topics up you are freely inciting any opinions that one may have towards the subject you bring up, so I freely expressed myself to the best of my ability.
 
Ryan more than top 4, it should be top 8 with extra time/no time, people playing for a Worlds invite should not have to worry about time either. JMO
 
I was watching my stopwatch during that match, and there was something like 30 seconds left when they gave that 5 minute time extension. I am not accusing you of stalling, but it was obvious that considering you were up on prizes, you could have stalled without even meaning to and won. And believe me, it looked like you had the game hands down up until the very last turn. I figured that the 5 minute extension was just a pity deal to see what Jason could do... I don't know if anyone who was involved in the extension thought Jason had the upper hand.

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One last issue I feel like I really have to address is that many of you have stated how you think Gino has poor SOTG but out at Worlds I heard some of the most horrible comments about Gino and not only Gino, a small group got into it with his "mom" and were calling her horrible names. Guys that was not his mom, shes not even related to Gino. All I'm saying is don't have a double standard. Don't sit there and say how Gino has poor Spirt of the Game and then turn around and bad mouth him.
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Watching from the sidelines, I have seen that Gino has what some would call "bad SotG," considering he, as Ryan Vergel said, has sour grapes because he couldn't beat Jason on time, which near everyone considers an underhanded way to win, even if they win the match, and his friends and such are always viewed less than courteously, as they have been seen doing less than honorable things.

Whether or not that is true, I do agree with your point on what people said about him there. I heard absolutely awful things about Gino for no reason (some people thought he was a jerk for wearing a US flag bandana, the country who's nationals HE WON, and that he supports--patriotism is apparently bad in Pokemon), but that still doesn't change anything. You can't say that Gino has good SotG just because someone says something bad about him. He still has bad SotG whether people swear at him or not.

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StoneCold; said:
WORSHIP THE GUY? Let's see...YOU KNOW WHAT I NEED? LOOK, let me reitorate if you
want to make it a personal bashing of Gino go do it somewhere else. This is a discussion of
him as a player of LEGACY. Not a personal insult fest!
I must also say that when a MODERATOR (PABLO)comes on here to voice his PERSONAL dislike
about another POKEMON PLAYER that to me is ABUSE OF POWER and should not be allowed!!!!!
Maybe you should practice what you PREACH about SPIRIT OF THE GAME!!!!

WORSHIP? NO THE WORD IS R E S P E C T!! Repect for the ELITE! Oh...possibly the better word
for you is JEALOUSY!!:nonono:
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Wow, chill out. In what part of being a mod does it say that you have to praise every player whether you like them or not? That isn't part of being a mod. Where is the power abuse?

So does someone have bad Spirit of the Game just because he acknowledges that someone else has bad SotG?

I don't know too much about Gino to take a side at all, really, but your defense of Gino is absurd, StoneCold. All of your posts should just read, "NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO STATE THEIR OPINION UNLESS THEY LIKE GINO."
 
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Re untimed finals:
Ain't gonna happen.
The players may think that since there is no next round they have all the time in the world, but that isn't the case.
The event has a timeline and especially an event like Worlds where there is a whole closing ceremony to deal with.
It's unfortunate, but it is a reality that the staff must deal with.
 
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