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PokePop said:
I'm not saying you were wrong to use it Martin. I'm just saying that it's hard to call people sheep for using a deck that you, the Nat Champ, didn't create either.
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Its easy playing a deck that you just saw take 1st and 2nd at nationals. Its a little harder taking a deck someone HANDS you the night before and playing it in your last hope for playing at Worlds.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but just because you want to build the deck, doesn't mean you want to play it at Worlds. All it means is you want the cards to play the deck. Even if you don't use it, it is to your advantage to at least playtest against it.

Personally I don't think the deck is that great, however you'd be a fool to not prepare for it.
 
All I can say is that Pikachu.dec = Magma @ Worlds 04. We all saw how the element of surprise took over the metagame when the Japanese played Magma, and the same exact thing happened here with Martin winning Nats. The deck will probably win a few more tournaments just because of the hype before people start realizing how to beat it without changing their whole decks.
 
Well as Moltres 423 once told me, Every deck is an improvement of another deck that everyone knew was good.
Ex.
Powdacham - Improved upon T2 Medicham
Mynx - Improved JynxFett
Queendom - Improved Monarchy
Pow!Block - Improved T2 Ttar.

So eventually this Deck may become original, YOU just have to find a way to make it that...
 
Personally I don't think the deck is that great, however you'd be a fool to not prepare for it.
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Yeah, it wasn't THAT GREAT. Nobody knew how to play against it. Many people walked right into scrambles that completely decimated them. the surprise factor worked like a charm. the deck is solid even if you do know how to play against it, though. it has decent matchups with most of the top decks. its downfall might be its vulnerability to admin, but if you play it right, you won't have that problem.
 
Mew said:
Well as Moltres 423 once told me, Every deck is an improvement of another deck that everyone knew was good.
Ex.
Powdacham - Improved upon T2 Medicham
Mynx - Improved JynxFett
Queendom - Improved Monarchy
Pow!Block - Improved T2 Ttar.

So eventually this Deck may become original, YOU just have to find a way to make it that...
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I think that Queendom evolves from Machamp, honestly. I remember machamp running pidgeot/stage 2, and that's it. Or the **** ran it, whatever... I'm fairly sure it didn't evolve from Monarchy.

But... I can see where you're getting at. The only thing is, 3/4 of those are subpar decks made GOOD. Jynxfett was always kind of =\, monarchy was crap, t2 ttar =X...

So it's like taking a tier 2 deck, finding it's weakness and eliminating the weakness/finding it's strength and fully exploiting it's strength.

And yeah, it takes BALLS/faith to play a deck you've never heard/seen for your last chance at getting a trip...
 
ryanvergel said:
jeremy didn't create queendom
ross didn't create the original bombtar
yamato didn't create magma
stuart/curran didn't make cham
bobby didn't make lbs
martin didn't make reggs

I don't think any champ actually creates their own winning decks.

I honestly think it's sooo difficult to be both a good deck maker AND a good in-game player. The two are so hard to find with each other...
I think looking at the champions over the last few years really gives evidence to this belief. I would love to see someone make their own deck almost entirely by themselves and win with it.

I think the closest we've seen is Seena G... and of course ness, right? Since TMB was literally a tourny where participants had to be skilled in both construction and playing of decks.
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I personally resent this statement.
Adam made Queendom what it was, Jeremy more just helped. Martin was just handed the deck Friday night. Clearly Blastoise was around before Bobby played it and Cham before Stuart/Curran played it. I can't know about Yamato, he could or could not be the most responsible for Magma.
But Pow Block (Ttar/Trode) was NOWHERE on the map. If you had to list 30 decks, it would not come to mind. I do know someone made a list for it (though it did not happen to influence me, I actually was testing Eggs/Trode and thought of ttar/trode), ttar/trode was not played in tournaments. My deck and list was 100% mine, and I am proud of that fact considering how few players as you say "make their own deck almost entirely by themselves and win with it." I don't think you NEED to make your own deck, but making your own deck AND winning with it is certainly an extra accomplishment.
 
Yamato did make Mew ex + Rayquaza ex [DR] + Electrode ex which broke Japan's Format this time a year ago :)

Oh what will he play for grinders. *hmm*
 
ryanvergel said:
I think that Queendom evolves from Machamp, honestly. I remember machamp running pidgeot/stage 2, and that's it. Or the **** ran it, whatever... I'm fairly sure it didn't evolve from Monarchy.
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It evolved on Japinese sights, as a take-off of Monarchy. The Japinese realized Nidoking wasn't necissary, so they tried replacing it with other TecH lines. It took TO to realize that the only TecH line it needed was Milotic.



^The abridged history of Queendom
 
I do know someone made a list for it (though it did not happen to influence me, I actually was testing Eggs/Trode and thought of ttar/trode),
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Exactly. Didn't you see that list on Neo and begin testing it yourself, and came up with your version/list/tweaks?

My statement was that you didn't create the original bombtar... and you just said you know/saw a list for it before you made it, so clearly you DIDN'T make the original bombtar.

Also, jeremy DIDN'T create queendom. How is that an incorrect statement?

So, all my statements ARE true...
None of the big champions created completely original decks and won with it, the closest is probably Seena G, and probably you for working a lot with what you saw. At least compared to the 10- and 11-14 champions, who literally didn't use ANYTHING original to win, the 15+ champs did a bit more, but still not completely original.

I understand/respect that you made your own list and did a lot of work, but you just admitted to seeing a list out before yours put out by someone who was obviously good (I believe the list was out on Neo)- so to claim you made a completely original deck and won with it is an inaccurate statement.
 
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jkwarrior said:
Yeah that's always kind of bothered me too. Maybe someday I'll make it to the "elite" "lafonte" call it what you will level, so i'll know all of "the decks" before they're popular.

A man can dream
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jkwarrior said:
Thanks for all of the responses.

I guess I'm bothered by the "sheepness" because I've always strived to make original decks. While I also play popular decks such as typhlosion/weezing and metanite, I just think it's dumb when as soon as a deck wins a big tournament, everyone NEEDS those cards. I just ask for a little more originality from some of you guys...
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i personally think you just sound bitter that someone came up with a great new deck and everyone is making a big deal out of it...while no one even knows who you are


and without reading the whole thread i'd like to point out that

1: it is a smart move to have every deck at your disposal, whether you want them for playtesting against, to lend out, or to have anything ready for the grinder/worlds

2: raichu/eggs won nats, 1st and 2nd. its a great business move to get em. the players want em now, the sellers start stocking up. between players and sellers, supply goes lowww. price goes uppp. this increases demand because if they are worth more people assume they must be good. awesome cycle since i traded for like a dozen the day before nats


edit: also, i'd put my money on people making original decks all the time. i do it. but honestly a lot of them suck. so i go before a tournament and i say...hmm i have flygon d / sunflora deck, dark ariados / wobby deck, and i have LBS. playtesting tells me my original decks are decent, tournaments tell me LBS will rock. are you saying i should play a deck i KNOW wont do as well just to be original? i dunno doesnt sound very practical
 
i totally agree shaw =\ ... but i do understand where u are coming from jk warrior ... things like that just can't b helped tho. metagame is wat it is ... u can't beat em' join em' ^_^
 
That people are trading for Raichu d doesn't necessarily mean that they want to completely copy the new National Champion's deck. It might just be that they overlooked this card all the time until now. Now that US Nationals learned us that Raichu d is more than playable, people realized they shouldn't have ignored it (or traded it away :p) and want the card. It's only natural for serious players to want to have 3-4 copies of every good card, and now they know Raichu d is one.
 
Where do people go to find out about decks that they know will storm onto the metagame without anyone knowing?

(Hehe... storm. The original name for LBS ^^ I made a pun.)
 
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