Theres A Lochness Monster In My Mini Wheats! (deck article and masters states report)

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  1. Organic

    Organic New Member

    Magnezone Regirock​


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    Name: Theres A Lochness Monster In My Mini Wheats! (deck article and masters states report)
    Author: Organic
    Format: MD-CL
    Date: March 14, 2011

    Magnezone And Regirock; Wait what? How does that work? Isn't that like European or something. Eh, who cares right? Well, as BAD as non-established archetypes are in your opinion, I would suggest you know at least how the deck works because quiet honestly, its matchups are amazing vs. the archetypes. Yes, Amazing. I said AMAZING.

    Now; don't worry I'll show the decklist first, explain how it works, how to play the matchups, and then finish with my states report. It's all in due time.

    The Decklist:
    Pokemon: 23
    4 spiritomb ar-32
    2 magnezone prime tm-96
    1 magnezone sf-6
    1 magnezone lv.x la-142
    3 Magneton sf -43
    4 Magnetin sf-66
    1 azelf la-19
    2 regirock la-38
    1 chansey pl-69
    1 blissey pl-22
    Techs:
    1-1 entei raikou legend ul-90 / ul-91
    1 relicanth sv-79
    1 skunktank g pl-94

    Trainers / Supporters / Stadiums: 19
    4 Pokemon Collector
    3 Bebes Search
    1 Luxury ball
    1 Expert belt
    3 Judge
    1 Palmer's Contribution
    1 VS seeker
    1 sunny shore stadium
    2 Broken time space

    Energy: 17
    8 fighting energy
    5 lightning energy
    2 rescue energy
    2 warp energy​

    Yes, I know this deck does not run engineers adjustment. Calm yourself, it's all good.

    Now how does this all work?​


    I must stress, that this deck MUST be 8 pile shuffled. Just 8 piled shuffle, then let your opponent cut. No further action. If you complain that this deck is horrible, its because you're not 8 pile shuffling or doing it wrong.

    Now after you're done 8 pile shuffling, your ideal start involves: A Spiritomb and Magnemite, Yup, that is all you need. You'll probably have a fighting energy and top deck a Pokemon Collector if you 8 pile shuffle as well.
    Other cards that really are amazing to start with in addition to those 2 are:
    Magneton with Broken Time Space,
    Magnezone prime,
    Chansey.
    Pokemon collector takes care of everything though. so lets start explaining it more in depth.
    Your overall goal is to get on your field 2 Regirocks, 1 Blissey, 2 Magnezone primes and 1 Magnezone from stormfront.
    I'll explain in broad terms, because each field is different and theres not only one right way all the time. With the right list and the right techs, all things can be achieved.

    Assuming I go 2nd and you 8 pile shuffled;
    1. Start with Spiritomb
    2. Collector for magnemite, chansey, and regirock (You already have a good chance to draw into another magnemite.)
    3. Attach fighting energy to spiritomb so that when he is knocked out you can regi-cycle with regirock. Also, Ambipom G can't donk you.
    4. Darkness grace to magneton.
    5. Turn Ends.

    Next turn:
    1. Top deck Magnezone prime. Evolve Magneton.
    2. Attach Rescue Or Lighting Preferrably to Magnezone Prime
    3. Judge hand away because there is nothing there you'll need.
    4. Look at hand you just drawed with judge, do what you can with it.
    5. Magnetic Draw more cards.
    6. Darkness grace either a magnemite you got with judge / magneton, or darknes grace blissey.

    Next Turn:
    1. Nurse Call fighting energy with Blissey. Remove 2 damage counters from Spiritomb.
    2. Regicycle 2 useless cards to you currently (keep in mind you got a vs seeker, and a palmers contribution) But preferrably regicycle another fighting energy.
    3. You understand where this is going? magnetic draw. yeah. follow this until they KO tomb or until they put out something besides a starter pokemon or you just have a buttload of energy on the field.

    Now to explain my techs:
    1-1 Entei Raikou Legend
    Luxchomp killer, Gigaslock killer, Pixie / Crobat / Anything Under 80HP with a Poke-Power killer. This tech is just SO GOOD because regirock or blissey won't die from it (assuming they have no damage counters already on them)

    1 Relicanth
    This is your umbreon counter. as well as a good tech for the mirror if you remember to use it. It's also an aid for being a starter pokemon with a low retreat so you don't end up with just a regirock. (Remember to 8 pile shuffle!)

    1 Skunktank G
    Vilegar. Yup, this is amazing for vilegar. Lost Burn 2 energy with Magnezone and your skuntank does the rest. And because you heal your poison with Blissey, it's even better.

    Lets go over the matchups

    Luxchomp
    70-30 in favor of Magnezone Regirock. The match-up is quiet simple if you remember how to play it. Try to keep at least one energy on both regirocks so if it gets bright looked by luxray gl, you can always attach an energy and regicycle for the next. Then start swinging with an expert belt and you for sure KO Luxray GL LV.X. That is, of course, assuming you do not top-deck a switch or a warp energy because you didn't 8 pile shuffle. Also remember to Magnezone from Stormfront on your bench. That way when you drop Entei Raikou Legend you can super-conductivity and attach energy for the win.

    Dialgachomp
    90-10 in favor of Magnezone Regirock. Seriously. You one hit ko dialga, they can't get set up, and their garchomp just takes 4 prizes max and loses. Deafening doesn't hurt you, so just get a magnezone and a regirock in play and start wrecking.

    Sablelock
    70-30 in favor of Magnezone Regirock. You have blissey to get out of locks, as well as magnetic draw and judges. Unless they get lock on turn 1 (thats the 30%), you have this game won. Just spread out your energy and keep one lightning on both magnezone primes.

    Gyarados
    90-10 in favor of Magnezone Regirock. I mean, it really has no chance. Lightning Weakness + Trainer Lock for TrainerDos + Judge if they use sableye to start. And you'll be set up turn 2 anyway if you 8 pile shuffle and they play a sableye-dos.

    Donchamp
    60-40 in favor of Magnezone Regirock. Just be sure to get out sunny shore gym or the lv.x asap to change weakness. You'll mow straight threw them.

    Scizor Prime / Umbreon
    70-30 in favor of Magnezone Regirock. Don't attach a rescue energy to magnezone, lost burn it instead. one hit knock out and they can't stack metal energy that fast. Because of this make sure they ko a spiritomb first. If they get out umbreon instead just play your relicanth and fighting energy. They probably have a belt a stadium in play (unless you for some reason put a different stadium). So just knock it out with Grand Swell. GG.

    Steelix Prime
    80-20 in favor of Magnezone Regirock. You'll one hit knock out their Steelix Prime with its 4 special metals and Expert Belt and they won't recover. It's then all down hill because they can't use their life herbs and whatknots. Just be sure they attack first so they can't revenge knock out with blackbelt. Because if you forgot to put another Magnezone Prime out you probably lost.

    Lostgar
    80-20 in favor of Magnezone Regirock. Whether they have a fainting spell and trainer lock, or just straight speed, you can regicycle your pokemon. Pick up your spiritomb first if they seeker.

    Vilegar
    70-30 in favor of Magnezone Regirock. Just get out the stadium first and skuntank g poison them. Fainting Spell won't touch you. If they get out broken time space first; play a sunny shore gym, then next turn replace it with a broken time space. And then you win the game. Yes, you win the game. Not losing the game. Wait, darn I just lost "the game"

    Donk Decks
    50-50. Who really knows? 100-0 if you start spiritomb. Enough Said.

    Mirror
    40-60 In Favor Of Mirrors List If they run engineers adjustment. 50-50 If they don't. This matchup depends a lot on luck for both sides. Whether you hit heads with regirock and whether or not you get relicanth out and use amnesia so that they can't lost burn for the stall. Just don't use an expert belt unless you really need to. Remember to 8 pile shuffle by the way.

    And off to New Mexico we head!

    We leave for the 8 hour drive to New Mexico at around 3pm. Stop in Roswell New Mexico and eat at a McDonalds in the shape of a UFO. We finally get to our hotel (Sleep Inn) in Albuquerque around 12 and realize that people said they were playing in a hotel lobby in the States thread. We all get into the car and drive around for about 2 hours running into random hotel lobbys looking for them to no avail. So we make it back to our hotel and put together this Machamp deck Chartraxe and I were building in the car trip for his son who is in Juniors. Play-tested twice before realizing it was 4am and hence we went to sleep.

    Next morning was pretty much a blur.
    Picture in the parking lot of the convention center: http://i.imgur.com/m6HIZ.jpg
    I just remember being at tournament and seeing a guy in an electabuzz fishing hat and sleeving my deck with clear sleeves and then being told my Bebes search was all bent up along with a warp energy. Thanks to the guy who lended me the Warp Energy though I forgot to get his name. He had a fohawk and was a league leader in the new mexico area I think though.



    So pairing come up and it says I'm playing this girl, I was feeling good about it after knowing she played a blastoise with no feraligatr and that she had supporters I've never seen before like Underground Expedition and such. But WAIT! Repairings. The computer messed up 2 people so they had to account for them. The tournament went from being a top 8 to top 16.

    Round 1.
    Playing the mirror. Yes, the mirror. What happened to being rogue? I don't remember much about the match besides I flipped tails on regirock twice hence not getting a KO on magnezone and it ended with Turn 3 and him getting the last knock out. :(

    0-1

    Okay whatever, I can go 4-2 and still top cut. Thats probably the only other Magnezone Regirock here anyway.

    Round 2.
    Another mirror. Yes. ANOTHER MIRROR. Jezz, I swear it was the same list on propokemon.com as well. Though when you ask everyone they claim they made up their own list. I Start with a tomb a regirock, a warp energy, a luxury ball, and other junk. turn 1 he judges me and then I forgot what happened. It went to Turn 3 with him going last and It didn't matter after that. I also remember a judge getting mad at me because I got a text from my Dad asking me If I made it to convention center all right and I was texting back to say yeah. The judge told me I had to put it away right now. My opponent said he didn't really care and it was whatever after the judge walked away. I lol'd.

    0-2

    Okay, I'll do better now. I mean, who else is 0-2 and running magnezone regirock?

    Round 3.
    Donchamp Turn 1 Donk. I start with spiritomb and magnemite, and he starts smeargle and portraits my top decked collector and then plays seeker and Ko's spiritomb.
    0-3

    Wandering Around Down Town: http://i.imgur.com/pGnYJ.jpg
    Lunch Break. Chartraxe, his son, my friend Hal, and I walk around down town to see a subway with 9000 people and then the cafe next door which was just as cheap with practically 0 people inside.
    It just hit me that I got donked by a machamp when I started spiritomb and I'm 0-3 now. Heres what I look like: http://i.imgur.com/oolfQ.jpg And http://i.imgur.com/trx8k.jpg
    We wait about 30 minutes for our food barely getting back in time. Well, I didn't feel so bad at this point knowing my friend Hal is also going 0-3 with Luxchomp though he doesn't really know how to play SP and played less than 10 matches total before this tournament.

    Round 4.
    Lucario Palkia? I don't really remember, but I won turn 3 after he had a horrible start with my Magneton.
    1-3

    Round 5.
    Magnezone Regirock. ARE YOU SERIOUS?! ANOTHER MIRROR?! AGHHHH. I don't know what happened this match either. I was pretty out of it this day. But I remember a judge getting mad at me about where my lost zone was and such. She made me organize everything and it was pretty intense. I got relicanth out and took 2 prizes like that, but then he got a warp energy and ko'd it with his other magnezone. It went to turn 3 as well and he ended it turn 3 up one prize. :(
    1-4

    Now when we are walking to pairings I look at my friend Hal already calling that even though he is 0-5 and I'm 1-4 we will play each other.

    Round 6.
    Playing Hals Luxchomp. It was lol and we were messing around the whole game. Continually saying Tomb and power spray, We both got confused a few times and when it went to turn 3 I just gave in and let it be. He was up one prize and cycling through my deck for Entei Raikou Legend would of been to intense.
    1-5.

    http://i.imgur.com/XIL55.jpg

    While chartraxe is waiting to see who is top 16, Hal says that this girl in seniors who went 3-2 would beat me. I had to challenge her to a match to regain dignity. Chartraxe says to play his Steelix after he found out he was 18th and missed top cut because of his resistance. He hands me the deck and I start out. Falling behind 0-2 in prizes after she takes out my 2 jirachis I let loose and takeout her machamp like a pro. Winning the game with her only taking those 2 prizes. I feel accomplished. I beat a seniors.

    The tournament was my first ever and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Props to the guy with the electabuzz fishing hat as well!

    Overall, I will conclude with saying: Magnezone Regirock is a very amazing deck. It takes out tanks, it keeps up with vilegar, it wrecks gyarados, and Blissey stops it from getting locked. Expect to see this at next weeks states or play it yourself and show others the true power it has.
     
  2. jeffrey123

    jeffrey123 New Member

    Wow. this deck is amazing!
     
  3. SD PokeMom

    SD PokeMom Mod Supervisor Staff Member

    um...you 'must' 8 pile shuffle? what's up with that?

    'mom =/
     
  4. elekid_957

    elekid_957 New Member

    no offence but your matchups are a little off
     
  5. chrataxe

    chrataxe New Member

    Nice.

    The 8 pile Kraken shuffle!
     
  6. Organic

    Organic New Member

    Thanks, somebody who understands!


    Yes. You must. It's as close to cheating as you can get legitimately. I mean, people in Japan do it.

    I know this is an amazing deck, and you probably understand the awesomeness of the 8 pile with your kyogre groundon legend. But I was really trying to hold myself from putting 90-10 on all the matchups even though thats pretty much the truth.


    It also occasionally allows me to call dice rolls.
     
  7. SD PokeMom

    SD PokeMom Mod Supervisor Staff Member

    oh, REALLY? 'legitimate cheating'? please elaborate...

    'mom
     
  8. BrightRush

    BrightRush New Member

    8 pile shuffle = consistency. Its an ancient art given by the pokemon gods ^_^. Remember it only works with this deck.
     
  9. NoPoke

    NoPoke New Member

    i don't 8-pile shuffle: is that why I fail at pokemanz?

    What is wrong with the other pile shuffles? What is special about 8-pile? Is this really standard practice in Japan?
     
  10. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    I would do that, but with my luck, I'd run into the one random idiot who actually shuffles my deck.

    Then I'd 0-X.
     
  11. Venjamin

    Venjamin New Member

    @NoPoke/'Mom: Just thinking about it, without adding bonus mathematical effects, I can pretty much say:

    Well, without adding a regular shuffle on top of a pile shuffle, it ensures a cleaner distribution of cards without the added possibility of clumping. It would technically work with any form of pile shuffling, but 8 ensures that cards that were previously 'clumped' a la Magnezone + X + 2 energies + belt ( 7 cards ) don't have to be intentionally 'De-Clumped.'

    Further, it removes the possible randomization that traditional shuffling adds. As P!P defines it, though, it is considered a shuffle, thus allowing a player to skirt the randomization rules.

    As a player, I would shuffle my opponent's deck if they only 8 pile in my presence and do no additional shuffling. If they said not to, I'd call a judge to shuffle the deck, because frankly, I wouldn't be satisfied with the 'randomization' of the deck. I'd be able to 'count' cards if I knew the previous arrangement, as every 7 - 8 cards give or take, is a card I knowingly placed there.

    I don't like it, but it is a 'valid' form of shuffling, from what I can tell.
     
  12. BrightRush

    BrightRush New Member

    Well Thats if you order your deck before hand and then you would technically be "stacking" your deck. The Kraken Shuffle just makes your deck have a higher chance of a good or god hand =].
     
  13. jeffrey123

    jeffrey123 New Member

    Well clearly the OP 8 pile shuffled...

    he still went 1-X...
     
  14. Venjamin

    Venjamin New Member

    Not really. Assuming the player picks up his cards like we all do, lines will be clumped, as will certain amounts of energy, and pokemon will be in given places. ( Not necessarily the same every time, but the benched pokes will typically be in the same place in the deck. )

    The discard pile will be in the order of use. -Shrug-
     
  15. Organic

    Organic New Member

    YA RLY

    Certaintly.


    There ya go. If you're still confused about these amazing ways of the declumping your hand; I can get on skype and shuffle my deck multiple times for you. Including Cutting and having collector top decked turn one / in hand.

    Exactly. Stacking is illegal and I am not smart enough to take the time to figure out such a thing. That is low and lame and Kraken does not need to sink so low as to do this. It will top cut a pokemon collector anyway. This man however obviously knows what he is talking about.

    In my report you'll realize I faced 3 other mirrors. In my matchups I recognize I go 60-40 in favor of the mirror.
    If you would like to battle on skype or the tinychat pokemon league sometime though I'm down for it.
     
  16. Revan

    Revan New Member

    lol, the "8 pile shuffle" you speak of is the exact reason I shuffle ALL of my opponents decks before we start the match every single game. Stacking your deck and then pile shuffling and letting your opponent cut might as well be considered cheating. There is no such thing as a legit way to cheat.
     
  17. Prime

    Prime Content Developer<br>Blog Admin<br>Contest Host

    Props for posting your list and playing a unique (not so much -- it seems :wink:) deck at States.

    8-pile shuffle!
     
  18. chrataxe

    chrataxe New Member

    He's not stacking his deck, its a joke....not sure how you didn't get that, everyone else seemed to.

    All jokes aside, it does declump and the "math" is that most cards are ran in multiples of 4 and 8 is a multiple of 4. The joke is, it works so well, it almost seems like cheating...but, as Alex2k pointed out, he went 1-5, thus it doesn't really work any better than normal shuffling.
     
  19. patthemanvan

    patthemanvan New Member

    I know this whole thing is epic sarcasm, but bad list is bad.
     
  20. Organic

    Organic New Member

    can we play on skype sometime? I would love to see your point in my bad list. Unless of course you're running the mirror.
     

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