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US Nationals 2010

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drmario said:
I would love to see how you came up with that list of "secondary cities". Apparently none of it is rooted in fact. If you would have bothered to look up the top Metro areas in the US by population, you may have noticed that Houston is the 6th largest Metro area in the country. It's actually LARGER than all but 4 of the cities that you say are big enough to be noteworthy.

To further illustrate my point, the Philadelphia metro area is the 5th largest in the country. New Orleans only has about 255,000 people living it in at the moment. They're the 46th largest metro area in the country.

And just a few more points. Dallas is hardly a secondary city. It has the 4th largest metro area in the country.

Why am I counting metro areas instead of just the city population? Because it makes more sense for the purpose of this discussion. It also gives you a more accurate view of how many people really live in the area.

So as you can see, your list of secondary cities is woefully inaccurate. You put some of the largest cities in the country in that list. Maybe before you categorize do this again you could do a little bit of research.
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As someone who lives near Boston and has been to Philly, Houston, and such, I wasn't counting population. I don't care how many people have to fly. By "secondary city" I mean a city with nothing interesting going for it - no sights worth seeing. What is there to do in Dallas, for example?

All these other cities I've listed have something interesting to see: St. Louis has the Gateway Arch, D.C. the Capitol, Atlanta the world's largest aquarium which has whale sharks, and the home of Coca Cola, Detroit Belle Isle Park, SD Legoland, NY the Statue of Liberty, and so on.
 
Well, living on the West Coast myself, I can tell you that driving to Nationals is almost never an option. So those who have been stating that people drive to Nats from the WC are semi-mistaken (i'm sure there are a few crazy people who do the drive, but don't make it seem like a horde is crossing the contry via car).

As far as location, St. Louis was probably one of the worst locations they could have picked (or at least the section of town). I think it'd be interesting to move Nationals around like they do with Worlds; move along the Midwest states, delving into the South, etc. I think it'd make a much more memorable experience (and would actually make for a vacation too.)

In terms of having Nationals on the East Coast ... this idea really makes no sense at all. The whole point of having a National event is to have an event accessible to players from across the country, not have another East Coast Regional. Yeah, a majority of the players are on the East Coast, I'll give you that. But you don't expect TCPi to exclude California, do you? And how do you expect them to cart all their stage peces and stuff around from Washington to *insert East Coast city here*?
 
Kenshin's Garde said:
And how do you expect them to cart all their stage peces and stuff around from Washington to *insert East Coast city here*?
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Well... they are bringing it to Hawaii, so... :p

As for your argument, STL benefits the WC no more than NY. So where SHOULD we hold it? California? The situation would just be flipped and the Easterners'd have to drive/ fly. I REALLY don't want it on the West Coast.
 
bullados said:
St. Louis is the most dangerous city in the country? Detroit? New York? LA? Where did you hear this from?
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FWIW, here is one source:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15475741/

The 2005 "most dangerous" rankings:
1. St. Louis
2. Detroit
3. Flint
4. Compton

That said, my daughter and I attended Nats and while I won't sing St. Louis praises I'm also not as miffed about the location as others.

We live near Philly and I will say that we have a shiny brand new convention center that is as good or better as St. Louis AND there is plenty of eateries, lodging, etc. So that is my selfish vote. :tongue:
 
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While we're on the topic of "most dangerous cities", here is the list that Forbes magazine put out last year (presumably based on 2007 statistics):

  1. Detroit, MI (Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn, MI metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 1,951,186
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 1,220
  2. Memphis, TN (Memphis, TN-MS-AR metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 1,295,670
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 1,218
  3. Miami, FL (Miami-Miami Beach-Kendall, FL metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 2,401,971
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 988
  4. Las Vegas, NV (Las Vegas-Paradise, NV metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 1,834,533
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 887
  5. Stockton, CA (Stockton, CA metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 684,406
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 885
  6. Orlando, FL (Orlando-Kissimmee, FL metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 2,020,346
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 845
  7. Little Rock, AR (Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 659,776
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 831
  8. Charleston, SC (Charleston-North Charleston-Summerville, SC metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 616,999
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 824
  9. Nashville, TN (Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 1,492,983
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 817
  10. Baltimore, MD (Baltimore-Towson, MD metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 2,652,974
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 791
  11. New Orleans, LA (New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 1,026,639
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 773
  12. Baton Rоuge, LA (Baton Rоuge, LA metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 770,283
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 728
  13. West Palm Beach, FL (West Palm Beach-Boca Raton-Boynton Beach, FL metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 1,283,806
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 726
  14. Charlotte, NC (Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 1,635,133
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 721
  15. Philadelphia, PA (Philadelphia metropolitan statistical area)
    Population: 3,880,695
    Violent Crimes per 100,000: 709

The FBI has their preliminary uniform crime report for 2008 here. This is not a ranking, but it's the raw data that pretty much all of these rankings use.
 
Using the raw statistics at that FBI site and taking ALL crime listed, St. Louis sadly does end up with the highest percentage of crime per capita. I do appricate that these statistics aren't the end all and be all. St. Louis could just be doing the best reporting for instance.

I do think that the crime argument is a bit of a red harring though. It's a nice stat for the anti-St. Louis folks to cite, but the real problems we had at Nats were Food, Poor Hotels, and lack of options for things to do outside of Pokemon.



Edit - I should add that we did go to the Zoo and the Arch ... they were fun enough but we have no real desire to go back to either.
 
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Like most big metro cities, you have sections that are just plain...... simply put.... "Puss Pockets"

St Louis, just like every other city on the "crime list" above has theirs.....

Nationals 2009 was held in a "safe populated" location.... St Louis does get a bad rap due to having East St Louis, ILLINOIS associated with it. I'm from Central IL about 45 minutes from there, so I can vouch for it. East Side, no offense if any of you are from there, is the last place you want to be when the sun goes down. It has earned it's reputation.

Vanderbilt is the man to listen to here.... Food/Hotels and the stupid HEAT INDEX were the issues that made most of you cringe. There were other things to do besides pokemon (but do you REALLY goto poke-nats for other things?), but several didn't scout the area enough... Zoo, Science Center, Arch, Historic areas, Blues music galore, and the best game in town --- Go Cardinals!.... In Columbus (which I loved as well), besides the other gaming at Origins, what else did you find to do?

The Poke Brass have heard your rants..... OVER, and OVER, and OVER..... If they move it around, people will still go to it because it's an Elite Tourney with all the gravy.... But if they keep it in STL, why don't you let them remedy the problems, iron out the kinks, and show you what they got...... or what they were hoping to show you this year....

I may catch some heat for this, and I really don't care.... But some of you people on this site really act like 8 year olds that stomp their feet and hold their breath until the genie in the lamp comes out of the bottle. It's not this post either, the site is changing where you have to tiptoe around anymore because someone is just waiting to put a negative spin on things.... There's other ways to get your issues to the main peeps upstairs.... Knock it off..... It's still a KIDS website that you people use along with other Pokeparents.... Let's clean it up!

There are alot of people not being paid that give you their all to this game...... let these people do their thing... And thank them once in a while.... :)
 
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I don't see Dallas on that list...

We do have an old stadium sitting around.

Or we could have it at the new stadium. After all I did the stone work in the suites and also at Jerry Jones' house.
 
Box of Fail said:
As someone who lives near Boston and has been to Philly, Houston, and such, I wasn't counting population. I don't care how many people have to fly. By "secondary city" I mean a city with nothing interesting going for it - no sights worth seeing. What is there to do in Dallas, for example?

All these other cities I've listed have something interesting to see: St. Louis has the Gateway Arch, D.C. the Capitol, Atlanta the world's largest aquarium which has whale sharks, and the home of Coca Cola, Detroit Belle Isle Park, SD Legoland, NY the Statue of Liberty, and so on.
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Boy, this sure goes to show how little you actually know about this country. LOL
 
Originally posted by Chairman Kaga
People will drive regardless of distance as long as it's more cost effective than flying and time is not a factor
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That is completely untrue. Some people actually have jobs and cant take enough time of to drive half way across the country. I couldn't go to nationals in St. Louis because of the amount of time my dad would have to take of from work. From where I live St. Louis is twice as far as Columbus was and time is definetly a factor
 
vorg7 said:
That is completely untrue. Some people actually have jobs and cant take enough time of to drive half way across the country. I couldn't go to nationals in St. Louis because of the amount of time my dad would have to take of from work. From where I live St. Louis is twice as far as Columbus was and time is definetly a factor
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Chairman Kaga said:
People will drive regardless of distance as long as it's more cost effective than flying and time is not a factor.
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Hilton should build a new 50-story hotel on top of the cult right behind my house so that Pokemon can hold the tournament there. Otherwise, I think they should hold it in Detroit because of all of the violent crime, which will make all of the usual "down-time" a little more interesting...
 
raichu2063- nationals should be invite only. that's how they do it in other card games and it's better that way.

i kind of want nationals in new york
 
raichu2063- nationals should be invite only. that's how they do it in other card games and it's better that way.
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It is? Explain the cutthroat environment of Magic and Yugioh. Honestly, do you want to expose Seniors and Juniors to that nonsense?
 
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