Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

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Why are you trying to make this into black and white? That's how kids see things.. black and white with no gray areas and means you're not looking at all the options available to you.

Can you imagine what the world would be like if we limited ourselves to that? T-Shirts are either small or large... food is either really hot or really cold. Everyone and everything belongs in a spectrum. Pokemon is no different.

To go with your example, I played 1 BR with Donphan teched to beat Luxchomp (back in the fall) and 1 BR now with Luxchomp. What am I?

I'm a Pokemon player, that's what.
 
vaporeon said:
I'm not trying to but what would you play at nationals or worlds. Sure you have the chose to play what you want but you will play what gives you the best chance at winning.
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YES!

And it wouldn't matter to me whether it was rogue or meta.

Do you get it now?
 
vaporeon said:
I don't count those because when big events come around, what are they going to play? You ether play meta or rogue.
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They don't close out the option to play rogue. Usually they'll just stick to meta, because it's better.
The examples of those Worlds competitor decks (I don't remember names right now, sorry), are good examples of players opting for rogue.
 
baby mario said:
YES!

And it wouldn't matter to me whether it was rogue or meta.

Do you get it now?
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And thats what I have been saying for a while now but what decks have you been using in the past when your rating was on the line.

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Master Entei said:
They don't close out the option to play rogue. Usually they'll just stick to meta, because it's better.
The examples of those Worlds competitor decks (I don't remember names right now, sorry), are good examples of players opting for rogue.
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And that is a meta player. Sure they have the option to play rogue but why would they when they have something proven to win.
 
Your posts are making me lose the will to live. I don't know how I can make this any clearer.

I will play what I believe to be the best deck.

If I think the best deck is a meta deck I will play it.

If I think the best deck is a rogue deck I will play it.

I don't live by your bizarre rules, and neither does anyone else.

If that doesn't spell it out for you, then someone else is going to have to try, as I am sick of repeating the same very simple point.
 
Swordfish1989 said:
Why are you trying to make this into black and white? That's how kids see things.. black and white with no gray areas and means you're not looking at all the options available to you.

Can you imagine what the world would be like if we limited ourselves to that? T-Shirts are either small or large... food is either really hot or really cold. Everyone and everything belongs in a spectrum. Pokemon is no different.

To go with your example, I played 1 BR with Donphan teched to beat Luxchomp (back in the fall) and 1 BR now with Luxchomp. What am I?

I'm a Pokemon player, that's what.
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Because there is normally no gray areas with these type of things. It's not a contract with holes in it. It's ether meta or rogue. If there is a in between then tell me but as far as I seen with tournaments, its ether meta or rogue.

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baby mario said:
Your posts are making me lose the will to live. I don't know how I can make this any clearer.

I will play what I believe to be the best deck.

If I think the best deck is a meta deck I will play it.

If I think the best deck is a rogue deck I will play it.

I don't live by your bizarre rules, and neither does anyone else.

If that doesn't spell it out for you, then someone else is going to have to try, as I am sick of repeating the same very simple point.
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And I get that. But what rogue deck could you make that would give you a better chance at winning when you have a deck that you don't need to test with.
 
vaporeon said:
And that is a meta player. Sure they have the option to play rogue but why would they when they have something proven to win.
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They don't exactly opt for meta decks because others have proven them to win, if that's what you think. They go with the deck that THEY have proven to win. This is usually, but not always, a meta deck, since meta decks just are better. But sometimes they go with rogue decks, because they think it's the better option (usually because of the surprise function).

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vaporeon said:
And I get that. But what rogue deck could you make that would give you a better chance at winning when you have a deck that you don't need to test with.
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I had to read this sentence many many times to get any sense of the point you are making...

Some people, me included, play meta because of the lack of time or will to test so many decks.
Some people play meta, even after testing many rogue decks, because meta decks are the best decks out there. That's why they're played. They do test with the meta decks, too. Even I test with meta decks, even when I don't test with others. If I didn't, I wouldn't have any chance at winning anything.

Very rarely someone comes up with a rogue that wins those meta decks consistently. That rogue will often be kept in secret until bigger tournaments, as that surprise thing I've been talking about is actually really big. Until that big tournament, they will play some other deck. Most probably meta.
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HqV03Jouzk&feature=related

This is just the perfect speech for you, vaporeon. If you don't fight to win, then you can't evolve. It's as black and white as your meta and rogue analogy.

And to say there's only meta and rogue out there... I develop meta decks, because anything roguish I play will be netdecked and becomes meta.

I'd now throw a Kyubey quote into my post, but I honestly can't remember from which Madoka episode it is from..

That being said, I'll refrain myself from feeding trolls. Quit trolling, thanks.
 
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vaporeon said:
And I get that. But what rogue deck could you make that would give you a better chance at winning when you have a deck that you don't need to test with.
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Raybees, Gyarados, Magnerock and Flygon/Torterra are just 4 recent examples of decks that players built to out perform other archetypes, and were all extremely successful. I don't understand why you complain that there is no skill in deck building at the moment, when you're unable to create a rogue deck that can do what those others did and compete with the best.

Also, since when did archetypes require no testing? :eek:
 
vaporeon said:
I'm playing Donphan right now because its fits my play style.
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I think it will be really interesting to see if, when Donphan becomes BCIF/BDIF, you will still play it.

You call yourself a rogue player because you refrain from using anything that has been proven to be good in the past. And that is fine, I do not think people have a problem with that. The problem is that you put yourself higher than everyone who plays the game in a different way. And please do not try and deny it, I can pull out at least three posts that prove this, it will just take some time.

The difference between people who think like you and everyone else is that you label others as "rogue players" or "meta players". And fine, it may be a bit narrow-minded, but you are free to do that. Just do not think for a second that you are in any way better than us. Except for at the card game itself of course, where it has been proven time and time again that we are better than you.
 
Son_of_Apollo said:
Why are you morally opposed to playing metagame decks?
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I've already said why many times.

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Mazu said:
I think it will be really interesting to see if, when Donphan becomes BCIF/BDIF, you will still play it.

You call yourself a rogue player because you refrain from using anything that has been proven to be good in the past. And that is fine, I do not think people have a problem with that. The problem is that you put yourself higher than everyone who plays the game in a different way. And please do not try and deny it, I can pull out at least three posts that prove this, it will just take some time.

The difference between people who think like you and everyone else is that you label others as "rogue players" or "meta players". And fine, it may be a bit narrow-minded, but you are free to do that. Just do not think for a second that you are in any way better than us. Except for at the card game itself of course, where it has been proven time and time again that we are better than you.
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I never once said I was better then anyone and it have never been proven that anyone here was better then me.

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nnaann said:
Raybees, Gyarados, Magnerock and Flygon/Torterra are just 4 recent examples of decks that players built to out perform other archetypes, and were all extremely successful. I don't understand why you complain that there is no skill in deck building at the moment, when you're unable to create a rogue deck that can do what those others did and compete with the best.

Also, since when did archetypes require no testing? :eek:
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I said what rogue deck could he make, while not copying one that has been made. I can make rogue decks that win. Its not that hard.
 
vaporeon said:
I never once said I was better then anyone and it have never been proven that anyone here was better then me.
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I did not mean better as in better at playing the game, but we do not live up to your moral standards and therefore you look down on us.

Remember this thread?: http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=146548

Unfortunately it got closed so I can not quote you on it, but we will have to make do with me repeating everything you said that in some way implies the fact that you look down on everyone else not playing like you.

So, on to the list, you say that..

Playing meta makes us unable to think for ourselves
Playing meta is like cheating
Playing meta ruins the game
Winning with meta decks is not "true winning"
Playing meta is a problem and against SOTG
Winning with meta decks is lower than dirt

Maybe taken a bit out of context, seeing as the discussion was about netdecking, but I really do not think you separate netdecking from playing meta.

It does not matter anyway. I found out what your problem is. You are a non-conformist. No matter what you need to do the opposite of what everyone else is doing. You need to feel special, because if not you are just a zombie/sheep/whatever term you guys use nowadays. This might sound like a personal attack, but that is not intended, because it is relevant. You will not listen to anything we say because you have a need for being the opposite. If we were all playing rogue, you would play meta.

Read this, you need it: http://www.cracked.com/article_18916_5-reasons-why-anticonformity-worse-than-conformity.html
 
Mazu said:
I did not mean better as in better at playing the game, but we do not live up to your moral standards and therefore you look down on us.

Remember this thread?: http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=146548

Unfortunately it got closed so I can not quote you on it, but we will have to make do with me repeating everything you said that in some way implies the fact that you look down on everyone else not playing like you.

So, on to the list, you say that..

Playing meta makes us unable to think for ourselves
Playing meta is like cheating
Playing meta ruins the game
Winning with meta decks is not "true winning"
Playing meta is a problem and against SOTG
Winning with meta decks is lower than dirt

Maybe taken a bit out of context, seeing as the discussion was about netdecking, but I really do not think you separate netdecking from playing meta.

It does not matter anyway. I found out what your problem is. You are a non-conformist. No matter what you need to do the opposite of what everyone else is doing. You need to feel special, because if not you are just a zombie/sheep/whatever term you guys use nowadays. This might sound like a personal attack, but that is not intended, because it is relevant. You will not listen to anything we say because you have a need for being the opposite. If we were all playing rogue, you would play meta.

Read this, you need it: http://www.cracked.com/article_18916_5-reasons-why-anticonformity-worse-than-conformity.html
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I've said many times that I don't conform to standards so it's not a personal attack. About that list... Sounds about right. Not sure why people feel the need to link articles. They don't help in any way other than trying to label people.

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GengarIsBeast said:
if you don't remember what division you're in, you might want go to the doctor and see what's wrong
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Why does it matter anyway.
 
baby mario said:
Your posts are making me lose the will to live. I don't know how I can make this any clearer.

I will play what I believe to be the best deck.

If I think the best deck is a meta deck I will play it.

If I think the best deck is a rogue deck I will play it.

I don't live by your bizarre rules, and neither does anyone else.

If that doesn't spell it out for you, then someone else is going to have to try, as I am sick of repeating the same very simple point.
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So you are finally admiting that the deck is the best and not yourself...

The only reallistic way to prove who is the best player is a bit complicated, give every player at nationals a random theme deck, 4 of each basic and special energy card available, a public pile of common/uncommon pokemon in format and 6 random boosters... The method is quite unreal but the result would be definitve, since only the best deckbuilder will survive, even if someone gets a prime it will only have 1 of each species.

Prerelease tournaments are the best example of skilled players, you have fun, you have to think an strategy, adapting to what you got, not what you would like to have, and you don`t have the best cards available, you win it with either skill or luck, but only the best players prevails.
 
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