Werewolf IX (Team Galactic's Plot) ENDGAME AND ANALYSIS!!!!!

[Cardzmaster2004]

Thank God for SPAM.

Anywho, please no one vote me off before 11 pm EST tonight. I'm in meetings until around 10ish and won't be home until then. If I am going to be voted off, please wait until I am able to completely reveal any insight and information I've gathered (yes, i said gathered) from the past days and nights. TTYS.

 

[homeofmew]

Thank God for SPAM.

Anywho, please no one vote me off before 11 pm EST tonight. I'm in meetings until around 10ish and won't be home until then. If I am going to be voted off, please wait until I am able to completely reveal any insight and information I've gathered (yes, i said gathered) from the past days and nights. TTYS.

Sounds like "I am a wolf don't kill me till x time"
lol :lol:

 

[shinygyarados]

First of all let's start out with the obvious. Everything that anyone says could be faked. There is no way to be 100% sure that someone is not lying.Cardzmaster can make up a post just as easily as someone else. I did not want to do this but I decided that it was necessary. I went and searched though old werewolf threads. I wouldlike to post the vigilante Role for the very first Vigilante in werewolf 1

A few years ago, the Alpha Werewolf, also your brother, left you near death on
a bridge on the outskirts of Cerulean City. You’ve sworn revenge and plan to act
it out now, as a Vigilante. Each night, you will PM me the name of one player
you would like to kill (aka one of the Werewolf goons or the Alpha Werewolf).
Should you kill the Alpha Werewolf or the Alpha Werewolf be killed in another
manner, you return to a peaceful life and are no longer a Vigilante. However,
you will want to find the Alpha Werewolf quickly. He is on a hunt to convert you
to the Werewolves side and may succeed soon.

Hmmmm. A little bit similar to the story he told us. Interesting? I think so.

backwards: What do you want to know? AIM Lakak if you want the truth.

You want everyone me to be open about my role, why not start by telling the whole truth yourself? First you say your role is Eevee. Then you say Mason. now its a Vigilante. I am aware that you could be all of those things at the same time, but if you were so sure of your protection, why not tell us earlier? It would have made you the ideal target for the wolves, stopping other targets from being taken out.

shinygyarados: You still have not commented on teh "If a Wolf is protected, the kill does not go through" logic. Either you ignored this in favor of expounding on your debate about biting or ignored it, knowing that it was not true.

Didn't ignore it, I posted about it. It just wasnt the most obvious thing in the world that that was what I was talking about. Under your point 5, before I posted my evidence, I stated "this goes back to the second-in-command theory. There I was talking about how even if the head wolf is unavailable, someone else can fill in for him and submit their kill. Although this may sound broken, there are several ways to check it. 1.) Less chance of a kill. 2.)More information given about the kill, (such as the lightning shown in the first(?) night killing.

And, yeah, unless the Alpha is protected it's not true. Interesting how you might of known that...

Just as interesting as how you do. :wink: Didnt you say that you try to get conversation started early so that a wolf can mess up...?

Also, I quote from Absoltrainer...



The Galactic side obv. has a converter ability that is now moot. Biting has been used in the past, although it would be interesting to find out if the biting and the converting are connected. A s no other "searching out" night role has been seen yet, I assume the biting is the only converter ability.

More on this later. I have to get in the shower, so I am rushing things:thumb:


I am also interested in which was the role that targeted me. Either claim it, or disavow it. You don't make that kind of statement without backing it up. Interp. 3 is viable IFF we believe the Biting role is attached to it. Right now that seems to be swinging either way, but I hold to a Wolf-aligned interp of the biting role. Also, being "well-known" could refer to the amount of discussion time given to the topic of "pure of Heart" I agree, interp 2 is not possible, but Interp 3 is still not out of the question. Long story short (too late...), claim your role or drop the "I targeted you" argument. (if anyone knows what that joke is from, they get the Non-Existent Nerdfighter of the Day prize)

Ooooh no you don't. You havent revealed your whole role, and yet you have claimed bits and pieces(normally when you are under attack) I dont think that I will tell everyone my role right now. There's no point. You either believe me or you dont. I am certainly not the only one left alive that role'd you day one am I? Someone else can tell you their role and admit that they targeted you day1, but I dont think that I will.

I also enter this quote by LucaEX:

Actually that was by me, but I think that everyone understood what you meant.

Suspicious? Very. However, knowing your role will allow me to drop the argument you are a Wolf (and, no, I'm certain about it but, to protect you, I'll drop that line of reasoning). I know you're not, you're fine. Just drop your vote and try for someone else. But not backwards. He deserves to live.

Umm not so obvious. That quote was by me, so it doesnt make Lucario EX seem suspicious at all to me.

More from me later.

In response to your "Wait for me" Post. I hope that you have alot of information, that people are willing to claim are true, otherwise, your still under the chopping block.

 

[Cardzmaster2004]

shinygyarados: Yeah, I mistyped the person quoted since I was looking at LucaEX's psot jsut before I posted. that was my bad and an honest mistake.

OK, fair enough. If you want a role exchange, just post so. I'll go first after you agree to the role claim trade, then you second. Deal?

 

[Shadow Zangoose]

Vote: Cardzmaster2004

Normally I wouldn't just follow a bandwagon like this, but Cardz has given no reasoning as to why he cast his vote out for sdrawkcab, which came off as a little strange to me. Usually he backs up his vote with a well thought out argument and has some hefty logic mixed into that.

I've not seen any of that on this vote. I'll gladly unvote you, Cardz, but not until I get some reasoning behind your out of the blue vote.

 

[sdrawkcab]

backwards: What do you want to know? AIM Lakak if you want the truth.

I asked you what I wanted to know in my post here ....

Suspicious? Very. However, knowing your role will allow me to drop the argument you are a Wolf (and, no, I'm certain about it but, to protect you, I'll drop that line of reasoning). I know you're not, you're fine. Just drop your vote and try for someone else. But not backwards. He deserves to live.

Thanks, please drop your vote for me...the more you post without addressing it, the longer it get wiry about it.

Vote: Cardzmaster2004

Normally I wouldn't just follow a bandwagon like this, but Cardz has given no reasoning as to why he cast his vote out for sdrawkcab, which came off as a little strange to me. Usually he backs up his vote with a well thought out argument and has some hefty logic mixed into that.

I've not seen any of that on this vote. I'll gladly unvote you, Cardz, but not until I get some reasoning behind your out of the blue vote.

My thoughts exactly, thanks zangoose

 

[Azure Kite]

Cardzmaster2004 has been a very helpful player so far....you guys do realize your voting off one of our best players, right? I might just be stupid, but I'm not gathering WHY were voting him off. What are we suspecting him of? I'm not saying I'm for or against him being voted off, I just want a bottom line WHY before I cast a vote.

 

[Time for Pain]

VOTE: Cardzmaster2004

Reason: I think we have all been suspicious of cardz, we just haven't been able to find out anything because he was being protected like mad.

 

[Ryu99]

to be perfectly honest i really dont know who to vote for there is nothing to suggest who is definatly a wolf and i really dont understand the voting for cardz as other the voting for backwards i cant see anyhting he has done wrong other than try to bring debate to the day time
for the time being until i get some proof that someone is worth voting off

Vote: Undecided

 

[Mew*]

Cardzmaster2004 has been a very helpful player so far....you guys do realize your voting off one of our best players, right? I might just be stupid, but I'm not gathering WHY were voting him off. What are we suspecting him of? I'm not saying I'm for or against him being voted off, I just want a bottom line WHY before I cast a vote.

Yeah, that's how I feel too. Because what if he really is a town person, then this would be a huge mistake. So I'm still undecided unless there is some critical evidence presented. So far I don't see any. I mean, if we were talking about a normal inactive player I'd just vote, but he brings a lot to the game so this would be a big loss.


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[Lucario EX]

Cardzmaster2004 has been a very helpful player so far....you guys do realize your voting off one of our best players, right? I might just be stupid, but I'm not gathering WHY were voting him off. What are we suspecting him of? I'm not saying I'm for or against him being voted off, I just want a bottom line WHY before I cast a vote.

Because he could have convinced us of that so that we wouldn't lynch him, while we have no idea who the last wolf is. How desperate do things have to get before you will suspect him? IMO, if he's a wolf, he's in the perfect situation. He's said that others are using enough logic that he isn't needed anymore, yet he's still trying to be the leader of the town. Mighty suspicious IMO.

 

[Absoltrainer]

VOTE COUNT
Votes needed to Lynch - 7

Cardzmaster2004 - 5
sdrawkcab - 2
LifeVirus7 - 1
Undecided - 4

 

[Cardzmaster2004]

I asked you what I wanted to know in my post here ....

OK, and here's the only answer I am currently permitted to give for the vote: AIM LAKAK (or some other dead Townie, I'm not sure).

Since I'm two votes from a kill, it is apparent to me that I must make a role claim. This sucks, well, something I've been modded for, but anywho. Here is the brief explanation of my role, since I'm not allowed to do direct quotes:

I was Eevee. This has been established. On Night 1, I was permitted to make the evolution, and I chose Love. Hence, I am now an Espeon. Espeon is a pseudo-Seer, which learns the alignment of their target at a 85% rate. So its pretty much an assured role, if I get to use it.

However, last night was the only time I could use it, since last night was the first night I was unprotected. Knowing that Gyarados would be someone we needed to know was dead, I targeted LifeVirus7. He was revealed to be a Townie (not a shock to me, but I checked for the good of the Town). Since I am a Seer, I did not get the chance to see his role, which is fine.

So, I trust LifeVirus and one other player in the village currently. That person is Mew* since the events of the past night proved him to be a Townsperson. I would go into more detail on this He's the only person who I can with complete certainty say is a Townsperson. The three of us are definitely safe. And I doubt I'll get the chance to use my role again, but I did reveal it. It's pretty much the only way I can see being safe out of this.

If y'all still wanna vote me off after I role-claimed and showed what I did last night, fine. Just know that for the course of this game I have not lied. Not even once. And I'm not lying even now. I have a feeling that some of you have lied about your roles thus far, but the two I listed above have not. They you can trust.

 

[Lucario EX]

If you're a psuedo-seer, check Mew*'s alliance tonight.

Anyway, I'm still not sure I believe you. It's you or Mew*.

 

[Shadow Zangoose]

You can claim that, that's your role, you can preach it from the rooftops and write it in the sand... but you can't prove it, and that's the problem I've got.

You can say you're not lying about it, you can say you're not lying, but you could easily be lying about both of those to cover yourself and escape death. I want reasoning behind your vote, Cardz. You said sdrawkcab doesn't deserve to die, but you voted for him?

You're trying to pull us in two different directions here, cut the crap and give some reasons. You're making zero sense. I don't have any problem dropping my vote. I just want some reasons.

 

[LifeVirus7]

Unvote: sdrawkcab
Vote: Undecided

Ok, test and paper for classes done with, looking at this again. And I did that vote since Cardz sounded sure of it and he's been doing good analysis and arguments for the town, and didn't know whether this would end fast or not. Just wanted to throw a vote early since I usually voted late. Guess nobody likes it that way. And continuing from my last post.

Azure Kite: Agreeing with you about why the sharks wouldn't attack Gyarados, them being fellow waters would make sense. Or, maybe they could've been too intimidated by Gyarados to even try. Although it's weird the role wasn't revealed.

homeofmew: I don't know why it would be a bad thing for anybody to be Lucario. I think it's just a role to make mason groups. And I'm very sure Cardz isn't a wolf. And I guarantee he's NOT the alpha wolf.

Lucario EX: Can't say how I know, but I guarantee Mew* not a wolf.

shinygyarados: Cardz proved his point on how he's not in the last wolves with his post. He's claimed he's a Pokemon, so it can't make him Cyrus. And, logically the last remaining minion would be Saturn, also human. Pluto wouldn't be aorund since Platinum details weren't ready yet.

And as Sandslash's card flip told us, the Wolf's bite was to convert the vigilante into a wolf. Obviously, the Alpha wolf would know who his fellow wolves were, and would make them not vigilantes; he's know his brother. Since Cardz was chosen for the bite target night 1, he was NOT a wolf. He's on the town's side.

And why I believe 100% that Lakak was Gyarados

His anger was at a full now. He would come out victorious on this island. After all, he was no longer possibly the prey. Now he was only the predator.

Gyarados was out for revenge and attacked people. Given another night, he might have killed them; what else would the bruises lead to? If Alpha wolf (Cyrus) isn't afraid of being a victim (being the prey), he has no fear from any other townies, and neither from Gyarados. Also, Gyarados didn't have another rampage, so he wasn't around.


And some question's I have, not about the game but edits to these posts.

Posts 307(Cardz) and 313(homeofmew) were edited by DukeFireBird. What were the edits for?

Also, post 316 by Lucario EX, he edited himself. WHY DID YOU EDIT. Other people edited earlier in the game, and got warned, wasn't that enough of a hint to STOP EDITING? I want to know what it said before the edit.



And one last thing: I feel NOBODY should AIM Lakak for information. He's dead, so he's out of the game. Nobody should be able to pull info from the dead, and the dead shouldn't talk about details to the living. It's getting an unfair advantage. DON'T go to him for info, that's against the point of this; analyze stuff and come to conclusions. Besides, one rule here was NO OUTSIDE CONTACT WITH OTHERS unless they were wolf groups; why should their death make an exception to the rule?

 

[Absoltrainer]

I see what was edited. It's nothing big. I remember what was orignally posted. Cardz ranted a bit too much for the gym's rules. One of his sentances was editied out, then edited out of the quoted version in homeofmew's post.

It's nothing to be concerned about.

 

[Cardzmaster2004]

You can claim that, that's your role, you can preach it from the rooftops and write it in the sand... but you can't prove it, and that's the problem I've got.

And I totally agree with you. It does quite suck that you guys can't take me at my word. But please remember, I've not lied yet. Not in any WW game. II was quite a stretch, as I used what others said and quoted it as what they said was true and I also never claimed to be town Aligned. But everything I have said this game is true and if you can't trust that, then I'm not sure who you can trust.

[QUOTE}I want reasoning behind your vote, Cardz. You said sdrawkcab doesn't deserve to die, but you voted for him?

You're trying to pull us in two different directions here, cut the crap and give some reasons. You're making zero sense. I don't have any problem dropping my vote. I just want some reasons.[/QUOTE]

As I've said before, the only reasoning I can give is to wait and AIM Lakak or another dead townie. That is my only reasoning for the vote.

Random Note to Lucario: If you are permitted to in your role, talk to ARMondak tonight before or after he comes back and get all the info you can from him. I'm positive he'll have something waiting for you based on his role. (And, no, I won't reveal his role even though it's been exposed; doing so would create yet another easy Wolf target)

Right now, I think that both Wolves are currently voting for me. At least one of them is, or I'd be dead already. I'm two votes from a lynch, and I'm not being jumped on. Which of the 5 of you is honestly a pseudo-mystery to me, but I have my guesses:

shinygyardos: Honestly, you just started being vocal today, and it was kinda out of the blue. While a LOT of your reasoning have been solid, there are still major flaws that have I and others have presented in your logic. The fact that, even after I did a role claim you did not reveal your role shows to me your not committed to the well-being of the town. Hence, the highly-Wolfy attitude toward you.

Lucario EX: I've come to two conclusions about you, since your speaking comes from an allied wording and mindset: Either you're a Wolf or you're Lucario. It's as simple as that.

ShadowZangoose: Normally you put QUITE a bit more reasoning behind your posts. You've been quoting I-net problems as the main source, but you've played quite games before when you held a power role. I'm sorry, but this screams to me that you're using your internet problems as a shield for your wolf-dom, especially as you've been much more active these past couple days.

homeofmew: Sorry, hon, but you've yet to post something longer than a paragraph of information in a post. Also, your votes seem to get directed towards power players very quickly. Is this so you can get rid of two power players per Day? I'm starting to think this is true more and more. Also, you could be using lack of conversation as a shield (see above reasoning for SZ).

Absoltrainer: Just because. (Hey, guys, it's been confirmed. If we can get 13 votes from living players, we can lynch the Mod. Let's go for it!!!)

People Who are Not Wolves:

LifeVirus7: As said, I searched him last night. He's clean.

Mew*: Behavior patterns and night actions have revealed this to be true.

ARMondak: See above, although still a bit shaky on this one. But I'm 95% sure on teh safety of him.

backwards: Yeah, I'm almost positive (90%) you're not a Wolf. So I'm not gonna put anything else down here. you've been a solid player and not Wolfy. That's all I can say on that topic.

shinygyarados: Yes, you're in both sections. I put some of what you were (and weren't) saying together and think you might be safe. This is closer to 55%, so I'm very iffy on this one. I believe you have one of two roles: Major Wolf player or Major Town Player that's been seen in EVERY Night Post prominently. Do you want to claim it or me?

That's all I have to say now. I will search Mew* tomorrow night, since so many of you are concerned about his role, but I can with 100% certainty say that he is Townie without having to check his alignment. However, I can confirm I will do this the coming game night. Anyone else wanna put up any other ideas for a Wolf other than myself. I am NOT a Werewolf. I rarely use these words, since I believe saying them breaks the mystique of the game. But, I can in all honesty say I am NOT a Werewolf and I am NOT Independantly-Aligned (even though this isn't an issue, I'll just bring it up).

 

[Lucario EX]

Lucario EX: Can't say how I know, but I guarantee Mew* not a wolf.

I never said Mew* is a wolf. I said Mew* is Gyarados.

Also, post 316 by Lucario EX, he edited himself. WHY DID YOU EDIT. Other people edited earlier in the game, and got warned, wasn't that enough of a hint to STOP EDITING? I want to know what it said before the edit.

I forgot to unvote, that's all.

And one last thing: I feel NOBODY should AIM Lakak for information. He's dead, so he's out of the game. Nobody should be able to pull info from the dead, and the dead shouldn't talk about details to the living. It's getting an unfair advantage. DON'T go to him for info, that's against the point of this; analyze stuff and come to conclusions. Besides, one rule here was NO OUTSIDE CONTACT WITH OTHERS unless they were wolf groups; why should their death make an exception to the rule?

I agree.

My answers are in green.

Cardz, I'm not gonna argue with you about whether I'm a wolf or not. You go ahead and think that if you want, I'm not about to make a role claim.

 

[DukeFireBird]

let me chime in quick, If there is a problem in a post in the game, I will edit it. I told Absoltrainer what is was for, and if cardz edited it out, it would of been a major problem. I only took out a "harsh" remark that he made, and that homeofmew quoted. Nothing more. I would never determent this game for any reason, because I love it so much.

~Duke