Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

WEREWOLF XV: Pokemon Wars: GAME END: TOWN WINS!!!!! See Post 2547 for Final Update!

First of all, what? Did you even read the game? He claimed a seer role with a guilty on benzo, not nk him or anything like that.
Secondly, no. When I seered Ikrit I was told that my role succeeded but I got no information. With pikajew, I got a specific description including the "no malicious intent" phrase, with other supporting info.
I really think the right play, one most likely to hit sith, is to
Vote: gallade

I can confirm the "no information was gained" line coming from people that have issues being seer'd.

I also think the best vote at this point is gallade. Will probably vote him Saturday if nothing better comes up. If we kill him, and he is sith, it should indicate based on what happens to the tattoos what their situation is. Would really like it if they all vanished... (Like it'd happen...)

And at some point, we need to discuss seers... I think I know who I'll be going after. (I'll probably die from it but, meh.) I know Dragonclyne should be checked into. Based on the fact that some still don't believe my reveal when it's fairly obvious that it is in fact true, I wouldn't mind being looked at if somebody who has a seer role would like to. Scottistru should be checked into...Any other thoughts?
 
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Absoltrainer ~ I must commend you in creating a game MUCH more complex that I anticipated even 2 Nights ago.




King Piplup: Sorry if I wasn't clear. In XII there was Red/Blue, and it appears that in this game we have a Cynthia/Lance pairing. Your association analysis seems to be spot on, and I support you.





gallade: I really don't know what to think. If you are Gallade, which was what jpulice was intimating, then you were a Jedi since a long time ago. But, the Sith say that all of the Jedi have been eliminated (plus this has been evidenced by their badges disappearing). Plus, the Gallade hasn't appeared as fighting for the Jedi in any nights past Night 5, when he remembered who he was. Could jpulice have been Gallade? And if he was, why didn't he say so.
The "White and Green" Pokemon (likely Gallade) HAS been seen in updates recently. He was unable to be badged. You claimed to have some form of Seer role, though that has clearly been shown to occur on non-townie characters, in addition to its disappearance recently.

Your accusation that jpulice was Mr. X was clearly VERY suspicious. You acknowledged the fact that Mr. X was already in the game, and immediately threw suspicion towards jpulice. Jpulice's response was one of confusion, since he believed you to be on his side, and worked to correct your "mistake" with you. He clearly thought you were behind him all the way, which is why he stuck his neck out for you. I'm beginning to feel that his trust in you was misplaced.


I'm heavily leaning towards voting gallade. Yes, you gave us Benzo (admittedly on a lucky shot, kid. That was one in a million.) But, what else have you been doing? If you WERE Gallade, then you'd have a role now. So far precedent is behind someone without knowledge then GAINING a role, not losing one. How did understanding who you were affect you?




Napoleon: I'd like you to confirm that you were in the Hangar Night 4. There are 2 usages of a Garchomp that night in that room. If you were in that room, it'll help fill in some blanks. It seems like you used Garchomp to kill someone that night, but it was redirected by someone else's Garchomp, and you hit Blitzer, a wolf. Great job, but who were you aiming for initially?




Cardz: I know I called you out already, but you need to get in here to post. If this wasn't Day 11, with only 11 players left, I'd advocate for your lynching ASAP, since you are contributing nothing.



Pikajew1213: Again, you need to post.



I'm taking a look at some of my data again, and comparing it to my theories. If Sith cannot be badged by a Jedi (signifying that they are on the Jedi side in the fight against the Sith) this makes LOGICAL SENSE.

Therefore: Scottistru being badged is a great indicator that he is not a Sith. It is also an indicator that Cardz is not a Sith either.


My Jedi theory is pretty solid. The Sith one is clearly not identical. The numbers do NOT add up.



That is my issue. The numbers do not add up. During the night, as jpulice, jellyfisher, and others have pointed out: the Sith MUST have "normal" roles in addition to being Sith. Only the "primary" Sith (as well as primary Jedi) goes out to make converts, the others mingle and lay low unless a fight comes up. Could the Sith "recruiting" not be recruiting, but just a marking for players? Are those marked completely NOT Sith at all?



Worst Case Scenario: 11 players, 3 Sith, 1 Wolf.
Players who almost assuredly cannot be Sith:

King Piplup
Dragonclyne725


Players who are probably not Sith
Sandslash7
Cardzmaster2004
Napoleon

Players who might be Sith
Pikajew1213
Scottistru
gallade
thunderjolt
JewelQuest


Do you see my point about the numbers not adding up? In a WCS, there are 3 Sith left, and precious little players to claim those Sith. I wouldn't be surprised is Deoxys was a Sith at this point. So far all we know about him is that he can escape from people targeting him... Wait....

"A Red and Blue Pokemon watched this(Cardz being attacked by many people)happen with great pleasure." Very interesting.



SOMEONE is LYING, and that is our problem.





I think I've found the root of our issues. We are treating the Night/Day updates as LAW, and basically ignoring all of our other info we have at our disposal. I.e. posting style, logical traps, and so forth. I can't believe it has taken me this long to realize! We've spent way too much time analyzing the updates and not enough time analyzing what people have actually said. It is clear that the updates hide things, even though I may think they show everything. I think we need a paradigm shift in our thinking.

Yes, we can use the updates to our advantage, but right now they are not helping find all the Sith. Night 7 was the last time we were able to see the Sith in action. Lets use our heads, our words, and our ideas to flip the Scum once and for all.



gallade: you are at the top of the list. Your "reveals" have been very shoddy and contradictory. You have made absurd claims that were a priori refuted by outside information. You accused jpulice of something so far out in left field that both he and I were taken aback. You claimed to be Gallade, who disappeared Night 6, showed your face on Night 7 and 8, then dropped off the face of the map, while a new "Black Cloak" appeared. I believe you are Scum and Sith.



VOTE: GALLADE



DON'T STOP READING YET

Dragonclyne725, you are next on my list. I'll go into detail in a future post (tomorrow most likely), its past my bed time.


We NEED to milk this day like we have the others. Don't log more than 3 votes for gallade. I'll unvote unflinchingly if we get more than 3 by tomorrow.


After looking at my analyses again, it seems that the Leader of the Jedi or Sith seems to be visible during the update. The others are lying low and doing other things without being highlighted as Jedi/Sith. This info supports my thoughts of gallade being a Sith.



TL;DR?
Italics are important
KP = good stuff
Napoleon ~ More info Pl0x
gallade ~ You are confusing and contradicting
Cardz ~ Post or you will lose
Pikajew ~ Post or you will lose
My Sith numbers don't add up. Help me out here. Do some update analyzing and get back to me.
Liars are lying. Find out who by looking at what they SAY, as well as the updates.
gallade ~ Bad role reveal is bad. Absence in night 10, in addition to your claims puts you at the top of the Sith list.
DC725 ~ I'll be back later with more information
Sith or Wolves?
 
Inreadmy role wrong im townie what i do is take someone down with me when i die im assuming its thelast person or first cuz absol said person nearest
honestly i think we should go scott as he seems to me the best choice to me especially cuz i know im guy who leans with rifle and he is trying to claim he is
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Why wouldn't you do this? Benzo was empire and you're a sith. Just because you killed one of our enemies doesn't make you a townie. In fact, that you have the ability to kill people I think almost confirms that you are a sith.
BEWARE, I'M P.O'd AT IRL THINGS AS OF NOW

This argument is silly.
I was responding to a post saying I hadn't done anything to help town.
I merely pointed out that was untrue.
I don't have the ability to kill, if I did that doesn't prove anything, I never said I did, and if I did, I wouldn't say it.
 
Inreadmy role wrong im townie what i do is take someone down with me when i die im assuming its thelast person or first cuz absol said person nearest
honestly i think we should go scott as he seems to me the best choice to me especially cuz i know im guy who leans with rifle and he is trying to claim he is
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What? I said that I seered you, and confirmed you were the man with the gun, I'm didn't say I was you. I would vote for you if if it weren't for the fact that you're not sith

@Sandslash: Why do you say being badged means I'm most likely not sith, then put me in the "might be sith" group?
 
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What? I said that I seered you, and confirmed you were the man with the gun, I'm didn't say I was you. I would vote for you if if it weren't for the fact that you're not sith

@Sandslash: Why do you say being badged means I'm most likely not sith, then put me in the "might be sith" group?



Logically, those badged wouldn't be Sith. I still hold to that. But your role is one of the least "defined" roles. The less we know, the more can be hidden.

The list wasn't a discrete list. It was primarily a hypothetical "Worst Case Scenario" to emphasize my point that The Numbers Don't Add Up


It is not meant to be my final word on lists.



Gallade ~ I'd like to hear what you have to say. (coincidentally I'd like to hear your Jedi theory as well).

We have until Sunday. I'm not interested rushing this day.
 
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SS7~When I read the update, I was really confused, because I have no idea on what relation I have with cards. Also, I haven't read too far into the other games, but has the mod ever given bad guys evasion moves; and if your ability lets you kill role revealers (or did I read you wrong?) why did you try to kill me?

Pikajew~Is your native language English? If it is, can you please make your stuff readable. If not, then I apologize. Either way, I have no idea what you are trying to convey.
 
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gallade: I really don't know what to think. If you are Gallade, which was what jpulice was intimating, then you were a Jedi since a long time ago. But, the Sith say that all of the Jedi have been eliminated (plus this has been evidenced by their badges disappearing)My reasoning for the badges disappearing is jpulice dying.. Plus, the Gallade hasn't appeared as fighting for the Jedi in any nights past Night 5, when he remembered who he wasIIRC jpulice hasn't fought at all 'cept for when he dies. Could jpulice have been GalladeDidn't you see his role when he died?? And if he was, why didn't he say so.
The "White and Green" Pokemon (likely Gallade) HAS been seen in updates recently. He was unable to be badgedI'm pretty sure it's because we are partners in our group. You claimed to have some form of Seer roleI did, but I split off from the group after I recalled my memory, so all of my powers that had to do with the group were lost, though that has clearly been shown to occur on non-townie characters, in addition to its disappearance recentlyfair enough.

Your accusation that jpulice was Mr. X was clearly VERY suspicious. You acknowledged the fact that Mr. X was already in the game, and immediately threw suspicion towards jpulice. Jpulice's response was one of confusion, since he believed you to be on his side, and worked to correct your "mistake" with you. He clearly thought you were behind him all the way, which is why he stuck his neck out for you. I'm beginning to feel that his trust in you was misplaced.
I'm just going to respond to this whole paragraph.
That was a misstep on my part.
Look at it from my perspective.

Lets say, for whatever reason, I want jpulice dead. So far I have already killed benzo, so if I also said jpulice was a sith, there would be some grounds for that being true.
The worst possible way for me to get him killed is to accuse him of being someone who already died. That's silly, and was something I totally forgot about.


I'm heavily leaning towards voting gallade. Yes, you gave us Benzo (admittedly on a lucky shot, kid. That was one in a million.)I can't tell if that statement in parenthesis is sarcastic or not But, what else have you been doing? not much, hbu? If you WERE Gallade, then you'd have a role now.I would expect the same thing So far precedent is behind someone without knowledge then GAINING a role, not losing one. How did understanding who you were affect you?
I think I already outlined this on my post about my siblings and I



gallade: you are at the top of the list. Your "reveals" have been very shoddy and contradictory. You have made absurd claims that were a priori refuted by outside information. You accused jpulice of something so far out in left field that both he and I were taken aback. You claimed to be Gallade, who disappeared Night 6, showed your face on Night 7 and 8, then dropped off the face of the map, while a new "Black Cloak" appeared. I believe you are Scum and Sith.



VOTE: GALLADE



DON'T STOP READING YET

Dragonclyne725, you are next on my list. I'll go into detail in a future post (tomorrow most likely), its past my bed time.


We NEED to milk this day like we have the others. Don't log more than 3 votes for gallade. I'll unvote unflinchingly if we get more than 3 by tomorrow.


After looking at my analyses again, it seems that the Leader of the Jedi or Sith seems to be visible during the update. The others are lying low and doing other things without being highlighted as Jedi/Sith. This info supports my thoughts of gallade being a Sith.



TL;DR?
Italics are important
KP = good stuff
Napoleon ~ More info Pl0x
gallade ~ You are confusing and contradicting
Cardz ~ Post or you will lose
Pikajew ~ Post or you will lose
My Sith numbers don't add up. Help me out here. Do some update analyzing and get back to me.
Liars are lying. Find out who by looking at what they SAY, as well as the updates.
gallade ~ Bad role reveal is bad. Absence in night 10, in addition to your claims puts you at the top of the Sith list.
DC725 ~ I'll be back later with more information
Sith or Wolves?

I would like to be kept alive for tonight (duh) and be seered tonight. If not, I understand, as the night updates haven't done my character much justice.
 
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gallade: I really don't know what to think. If you are Gallade, which was what jpulice was intimating, then you were a Jedi since a long time ago. But, the Sith say that all of the Jedi have been eliminated (plus this has been evidenced by their badges disappearing)My reasoning for the badges disappearing is jpulice dying.. (1) Plus, the Gallade hasn't appeared as fighting for the Jedi in any nights past Night 5, when he remembered who he wasIIRC jpulice hasn't fought at all 'cept for when he dies.(2) Could jpulice have been GalladeDidn't you see his role when he died??(3) And if he was, why didn't he say so.
The "White and Green" Pokemon (likely Gallade) HAS been seen in updates recently. He was unable to be badgedI'm pretty sure it's because we are partners in our group. (4)You claimed to have some form of Seer roleI did, but I split off from the group after I recalled my memory, so all of my powers that had to do with the group were lost,(5) though that has clearly been shown to occur on non-townie characters, in addition to its disappearance recentlyfair enough.

Your accusation that jpulice was Mr. X was clearly VERY suspicious. You acknowledged the fact that Mr. X was already in the game, and immediately threw suspicion towards jpulice. Jpulice's response was one of confusion, since he believed you to be on his side, and worked to correct your "mistake" with you. He clearly thought you were behind him all the way, which is why he stuck his neck out for you. I'm beginning to feel that his trust in you was misplaced.
I'm just going to respond to this whole paragraph.
That was a misstep on my part.
Look at it from my perspective.

Lets say, for whatever reason, I want jpulice dead. So far I have already killed benzo, so if I also said jpulice was a sith, there would be some grounds for that being true.
The worst possible way for me to get him killed is to accuse him of being someone who already died. That's silly, and was something I totally forgot about. (6)

I'm heavily leaning towards voting gallade. Yes, you gave us Benzo (admittedly on a lucky shot, kid. That was one in a million.)I can't tell if that statement in parenthesis is sarcastic or not (7)But, what else have you been doing? not much, hbu? NM, stimulating discussion and keeping people playing.If you WERE Gallade, then you'd have a role now.I would expect the same thing So far precedent is behind someone without knowledge then GAINING a role, not losing one. How did understanding who you were affect you?
I think I already outlined this on my post about my siblings and I



We NEED to milk this day like we have the others. Don't log more than 3 votes for gallade. I'll unvote unflinchingly if we get more than 3 by tomorrow.


After looking at my analyses again, it seems that the Leader of the Jedi or Sith seems to be visible during the update. The others are lying low and doing other things without being highlighted as Jedi/Sith. This info supports my thoughts of gallade being a Sith.



TL;DR?
Italics are important
KP = good stuff
Napoleon ~ More info Pl0x
gallade ~ You are confusing and contradicting
Cardz ~ Post or you will lose
Pikajew ~ Post or you will lose
My Sith numbers don't add up. Help me out here. Do some update analyzing and get back to me.
Liars are lying. Find out who by looking at what they SAY, as well as the updates.
gallade ~ Bad role reveal is bad. Absence in night 10, in addition to your claims puts you at the top of the Sith list.
DC725 ~ I'll be back later with more information
Sith or Wolves?

I would like to be kept alive for tonight (duh) and be seered tonight. If not, I understand, as the night updates haven't done my character much justice.


  1. Agreed. However, the Sith seem to have been able to pass down this ability. If there was another Jedi around, that would probably have been passed down as well.
  2. Kyle Katarns appears in the Death of Ikrit fight, so I don't know what you are getting at.
  3. I did. That was a hypothesis that I had developed a while ago and it is clearly not accurate. But it was a possible explanation a few days ago. The other alternative is that not everything was revealed. But yes, it is near 100% that jpulice was not Gallade.
  4. So you claim to be partners in the group with jpulice, which is why you couldn't be badged.
  5. You claim to have lost your powers since you left the group with jpulice.
  6. True, from a certain point of veiw. But look at it from my perspective. Someone who has some good support behind him goes out on a massive limb to throw suspicion on a "team mate." Said player also has disappeared from Night Updates. This player basically hangs said team mate out to dry. Plus, the argument you used took into account facts that were already known, and yet you still made the accusation. You acknowledged that a Lucario ALREADY became Mr. X, and said it happened again. That makes no sense.
  7. It was a Star Wars reference, about when Luke blew up the Death Star. But you also said it yourself that it was a luck shot.



How do you reconcile numbers 4 and 5? You couldn't be badged because you were part of his group, but you don't have a role because you weren't part of his group....

WHAT?


I believe we have a liar here. What do the rest of you all think?
 
I thought you said you were guy with rifle so I will go right ahead with my second choice
Vote gallade
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SS7~When I read the update, I was really confused, because I have no idea on what relation I have with cards. Also, I haven't read too far into the other games, but has the mod ever given bad guys evasion moves; and if your ability lets you kill role revealers (or did I read you wrong?) why did you try to kill me?

Pikajew~Is your native language English? If it is, can you please make your stuff readable. If not, then I apologize. Either way, I have no idea what you are trying to convey.

Pikajew lives in MI, same as me... He speaks English, would help if he would type well...

More later


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gallade, you are starting to irk me...

I sense a pattern here....Ikirt and cabd worked just as hard to keep themselves alive.

You are working too hard to defend yourself. If you really have nothing to lose, I don't think you'd be as paranoid.

I take back my, "I am willing to give gallade the benefit of doubt " line. If I wasn't sure whether or not we were on five votes or four, I'd vote for ya.

Ok, so I think we just about figured out who is gonna die. So, suggestions on who to night target?
 
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Should I name claim then?


Only if you really want to. As far as I'm concerned, it makes logical sense for Sith to NOT be able to be badged. I think you are not Sith. As I said, that list was a hypothetical "WCS"




UNVOTE: GALLADE


I'm doing this so that he doesn't get jumped on.
 
I honestly have no defense so far, and I see why you would doubt what I'm saying. I know no reason for you not to lynch me, and I can provide none, other than my word, which in this game is the closest thing to nothing their is. Give it a night, and seer me, that's all I ask. If not, that's fine, I consider it a win if the town wins, even if I'm not alive.
 
I honestly have no defense so far, and I see why you would doubt what I'm saying. I know no reason for you not to lynch me, and I can provide none, other than my word, which in this game is the closest thing to nothing their is. Give it a night, and seer me, that's all I ask. If not, that's fine, I consider it a win if the town wins, even if I'm not alive.

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Honestly, I think there are better lynch options, but there is just not really any solid evidence against anyone.

Furthermore, I think someone else may have said this before, but what if dragonclyne is a wolf and has some sort of ability to switch the identity of a kill? I'm still thinking that diaz was not a wolf, but he was Lance. The wolf somehow layed a wolf "marker" on diaz. So now, DC can claim to be Lance with no one to counterclaim him. Also, I still am suspicious about SS7; because he seems to have played this game many times before, he would be really good at hiding his identity. Even though redados "cleared" him, I believe he is a sith with some good abilities. If he was pro-town, why would SS7 use his role on a seeker (or do you not have control of who you target?). SS7 also seems to be picking and choosing who and what he responds to.
 
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Honestly, I think there are better lynch options, but there is just not really any solid evidence against anyone.

Furthermore, I think someone else may have said this before, but what if dragonclyne is a wolf and has some sort of ability to switch the identity of a kill? I'm still thinking that diaz was not a wolf, but he was Lance. The wolf somehow layed a wolf "marker" on diaz. So now, DC can claim to be Lance with no one to counterclaim him. Also, I still am suspicious about SS7; because he seems to have played this game many times before, he would be really good at hiding his identity. Even though redados "cleared" him, I believe he is a sith with some good abilities. If he was pro-town, why would SS7 use his role on a seeker (or do you not have control of who you target?). SS7 also seems to be picking and choosing who and what he responds to.

Interesting thoughts on the role-switching with Diaz. It makes no sense to me that there is not a Lance in this game. @Napoleon-Can you confirm or deny that Lance exists? If anything it seems he would be looking for you/vice versa. (Red-Blue from XII).
 
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