Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!

This is what I said was unproductive and argumentative. Because it is. Either that or I must have forgotten the English language. So please, explain to me how this...

Here is another question you decided to fly past. Which is the safer play? Vote you early on, or just wait around to see how the dust settles and get a vote in when you are actually looking like you are going to be lynched? Or just plain not vote at all and force the town into another no-lynch?

says this...

How exactly are my questions argumentative and unproductive? Oh wait, if anyone voices opposition to your ideas it's argumentative and unproductive amiright? I couldn't be offering a differing viewpoint to try and actually get the to the truth... I do like how you again skirted my questions again with an answer entirely unrelated. I didn't say every wolf voted for you, and I didn't even say that you said that. What I said was that it isn't extremely likely that 1 or even 2 did. I even provided why I think it wasn't that likely. Which you claim was argumentative and unproductive. .

Your other questions I have previously answered. Go back and read them. I'm not going to repeatedly answer the same question for every TLDR player in the game (goes for you too PikaJewel) only to have my words twisted or mischaracterized because I phrased things a bit differently the second time around.

And then this...

If all I have been doing is random finger pointing and trying to pressure people to flip, then all you have been doing is acting like scum, so why should I follow a scum-leader? See how that works?

There is no if...
{lot's of other stuff, see actual post}
PMysterious, Shinori, Pokemonrocks777, HomeofMew, Chanman, Jason, AAM, Desfunoc, sheepbro, and Levity were all at least one post or one PM active, but chose to not vote.

There is a good chance at least one if not more in this list are wolves/anti-town factions.

I only had to ISO the first candidate (PMysterious) to see that D1 he screamed "LYNCH SOMEONE" while withholding his vote D2. He probably was faking it D1 to look like town, which is why his sentiments didn't carryover into D2.

VOTE: PMysterious

{And some more stuff}

I think I am inclined to side with Eclipse on this one. Now that PM's role is confirmed, I can't really see it being a role given to a wolf.

UNVOTE:pMysterious

Going down my list. Shinori was generally pretty active D1 and more than willing to throw his votes around. One post D2. We need to figure out if he just plain quit, if he just got bored, or if he is a wolf hiding out.

VOTE:Shinori

Shinori, its time you spoke up.

That's exactly what you did...

One last point I would like to point out to you before I'm done...

PMysterious, Shinori, Pokemonrocks777, HomeofMew, Chanman, Jason, AAM, Desfunoc, sheepbro, and Levity were all at least one post or one PM active, but chose to not vote.

There is a good chance at least one if not more in this list are wolves/anti-town factions.

Why do you think there's a wolf there? Vablakes probably has a Suicidal role (look it up if you aren't familiar), which is likely non-wolf. Why on God's green earth would a wolf not jump at the chance to kill off not one, but likely two, town roles by finishing out the vote and ending the day with a lynch followed immediately by a spontaneous combustion of another non-wolf. That makes no logical sense. It would be much more likely to have EVERY wolf in the game on the vote list for Vablakes.

Since VB revealed, the priest (yeah, I think our priest ties people high up on the castle battlements to protect them, the drawback of said protection being that the player is sidelined for X number of turns) was probably like 'O crap, I can't let 2 possible townies die for the price of one' and voila Vablakes gets a view from on high.

I stand by what I said. We should investigate the results from the gambit I played. It, historically, works. True some experienced players don't like this particular gambit, but it doesn't take away from it's validity. You can find the evidence for that in not only Cabd's guide, but in many online guides to playing mafia scum, as well as in the first game where I played it a bit differently and set everyone on Diaz instead of myself. We got 3 out of 7 wolves from that play. Without strategy, you just have posts like 1077 and 1137. Just saying.
 
OH CRAP! IT'S MEWTWO! EVERYONE, LYNCH PIKAJEWEL NOW BEFORE THIS BECOMES A CRISIS. SCREW VABLAKES NOW AND JOIN ME ON THIS ONE. I PROMISE THIS WILL SAVE US!
So much for "let's finish what we started" and getting Vablakes lynched for sure...

Firstly, the fact that you still wanted to lynch Vablakes when you knew that he has been silenced and is unable to defend himself rubs me the wrong way, especially since there's a chance that he has a Twin type role with Latios (if he exists in this game). Secondly, assuming PikaJewel is Mewtwo just because she posted capital M, E, and W in a post does not make much sense to me. Yes, it is strange that she would post "MEW", since it's obviously not a name breadcrumb seeing how Mew is dead, but I do not think that is basis enough to attack someone. However, I would also like to hear from PikaJewel about this.

Anyways, I'm not entirely sure about your alignment based off of your role. I can see being able to turn the vote off of yourself and towards the second best wagon as being a valuable Wolf role. While it does give the edge when casting a vote (which might work in the Town's favor), it only works effectively when there are actually votes on you.

PMysterious said:
@DP: We should fear everything about Mewtwo because everything about it in this game is bad because of the Outlaws. Also, I'm not trying to be lynched or trying to hurt the Town. I'm trying the best I can to answer all of the questions people are asking me. I jut end up skipping them at times.
I'm pretty sure that everything bad in this game is thanks to the Wolves, not the Outlaws. The Wolves are the ones killing people at Night, and since Jellyfisher returned, there doesn't appear to be another active killing role. Instead of accusing people of being Mewtwo based on speculation, we need to be searching for scum.

Not enough to earn a vote in my opinion, but just enough to earn the finger.

Angry Pointy Finger: PMysterious

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waynegg said:
Since VB revealed, the priest (yeah, I think our priest ties people high up on the castle battlements to protect them, the drawback of said protection being that the player is sidelined for X number of turns) was probably like 'O crap, I can't let 2 possible townies die for the price of one' and voila Vablakes gets a view from on high.
I find it unlikely that our kidnapper/"tying people on the roof person" is our priest. Silencing is usually connected to either a Wolf role, an Indie, or a harmful faction of some sort. It also doesn't make much sense that a priest would protect and silence the two people who were the top lynch targets of Day 1 and Day 2.

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I'm going to go ahead and lay down a vote for now.

Vote: G landers

Where'd ya go? You were so quick to hop on a bandwagon last game Day...
 
Also, for those that ask how my computer can glitch up the post I'm trying to make, it just can. I know it doesn't make sense, but its doing its own thing.

Yes, especially when you hit the "SHIFT" button... You may as well come clean because nobody is buying that and you're only making yourself look worse each time you try to cover it up. :rolleyes:

I find it unlikely that our kidnapper/"tying people on the roof person" is our priest. Silencing is usually connected to either a Wolf role, an Indie, or a harmful faction of some sort. It also doesn't make much sense that a priest would protect and silence the two people who were the top lynch targets of Day 1 and Day 2.

Meh. I seem to remember a Priest role (perhaps Seer, but I could have sworn Priest) from a previous game that blocked the player priested from doing anything the following game day. And D1 it may not make much sense, other than it being D1. However D2 made perfect sense for VB to receive the night Priesting. As I said in the very post you quoted...

Originally Posted by waynegg
Since VB revealed, the priest (yeah, I think our priest ties people high up on the castle battlements to protect them, the drawback of said protection being that the player is sidelined for X number of turns) was probably like 'O crap, I can't let 2 possible townies die for the price of one' and voila Vablakes gets a view from on high.

Why would the Priest not choose to protect 2 likely town/non-wolf roles from being killed if he/she could?
 
Quick question before I post something.

PMysterious said he was "confirmed." Did someone confirm him something? If so when and who?
 
Quick question before I post something.

PMysterious said he was "confirmed." Did someone confirm him something? If so when and who?

Check the most recent votals, and take a look at how many votes Vablakes has.

Also. . .

Unvote xxumbreonxx

I'm glad you're doing something about your suspicions, which was why I voted for you. PikaJewel has also stated her suspicions, and I don't see a definite reason for her to be any particular character. Next on my list is someone that shouldn't be a neutral read at this stage.

Vote Glaceon

It's apparent you're around, and the most memorable things from you IMO is stuff that's not really related to the game. What are your thoughts on the recent developments, besides the weird letters?
 
Check the most recent votals, and take a look at how many votes Vablakes has.

Also. . .

Unvote xxumbreonxx

I'm glad you're doing something about your suspicions, which was why I voted for you. PikaJewel has also stated her suspicions, and I don't see a definite reason for her to be any particular character. Next on my list is someone that shouldn't be a neutral read at this stage.

Vote Glaceon

It's apparent you're around, and the most memorable things from you IMO is stuff that's not really related to the game. What are your thoughts on the recent developments, besides the weird letters?

Ok so his role effect is confirmed to what he said it does? That's the only thing confirmed about him correct?
 
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<--- On vacation in singapore :)
 
This is what I said was unproductive and argumentative. Because it is. Either that or I must have forgotten the English language. So please, explain to me how this...



says this...



Your other questions I have previously answered. Go back and read them. I'm not going to repeatedly answer the same question for every TLDR player in the game (goes for you too PikaJewel) only to have my words twisted or mischaracterized because I phrased things a bit differently the second time around.

And then this...



There is no if...




That's exactly what you did...

One last point I would like to point out to you before I'm done...



Why do you think there's a wolf there? Vablakes probably has a Suicidal role (look it up if you aren't familiar), which is likely non-wolf. Why on God's green earth would a wolf not jump at the chance to kill off not one, but likely two, town roles by finishing out the vote and ending the day with a lynch followed immediately by a spontaneous combustion of another non-wolf. That makes no logical sense. It would be much more likely to have EVERY wolf in the game on the vote list for Vablakes.

Since VB revealed, the priest (yeah, I think our priest ties people high up on the castle battlements to protect them, the drawback of said protection being that the player is sidelined for X number of turns) was probably like 'O crap, I can't let 2 possible townies die for the price of one' and voila Vablakes gets a view from on high.

I stand by what I said. We should investigate the results from the gambit I played. It, historically, works. True some experienced players don't like this particular gambit, but it doesn't take away from it's validity. You can find the evidence for that in not only Cabd's guide, but in many online guides to playing mafia scum, as well as in the first game where I played it a bit differently and set everyone on Diaz instead of myself. We got 3 out of 7 wolves from that play. Without strategy, you just have posts like 1077 and 1137. Just saying.

I want to start out saying that your cynicism is quite stark and quite beneath you. I am sorry that you feel like my posts lack "strategy", and you feel like my strategy is boring. Want to know what is really boring? People that just don't play. Not only is it boring, but its extremely-anti-town.

I also like that you just quote stuff and say "see? look! that is exactly what you did." Yeah, that explains/proves about nothing.

So my questions were argumentative and unproductive because you "forgot about the English language?", or was it "because it just is?" It must be me who doesn't understand the English language cause that makes absolutely zero sense to me...

Oh, I get now why you are so-anti-helpful! Thanks for explaining it.

Waynegg said:
I'm not going to repeatedly answer the same question for every TLDR player in the game (goes for you too PikaJewel) only to have my words twisted or mischaracterized because I phrased things a bit differently the second time around.

See, now I thought it was only scum who would twist or mischaracterize words for their own use... I find it curious that you are actually worried about this. You realize that you could just re-quote anything you have posted, and you wouldn't have to worry about getting caught in a lie...

When I some more time, we are going to itemize the questions I asked and show your answers. Its pretty apparent that you didn't actually answer them.

!!Game-Theory-Alert!!

Waynegg said:
Why do you think there's a wolf there? Vablakes probably has a Suicidal role (look it up if you aren't familiar), which is likely non-wolf. Why on God's green earth would a wolf not jump at the chance to kill off not one, but likely two, town roles by finishing out the vote and ending the day with a lynch followed immediately by a spontaneous combustion of another non-wolf. That makes no logical sense. It would be much more likely to have EVERY wolf in the game on the vote list for Vablakes.

I already explained it, so go read it! Haha, Just Kidding. Do you understand that not-voting accomplishes more than one benefit for the wolves?

1) It gives the town a no-lynch.

This gives the killing power solely to the wolves, and disallows the town to use their greatest asset: The Majority Lynch.

2) It allows them to escape the lynch-wagon analysis/accusations.

Your example is actually a prime example as to why no-voting would be beneficial to the wolves. You say "It would be much more likely to have EVERY wolf in the game on the vote list for Vablakes". First, this is a supremely silly statement because we haven't seen Blakes' win condition. Second, if he actually did flip town (it would surprise me) the people on his wagon would look suspect. So, if the general populace thought that every wolf was on a wagon that killed a townie, what would be the best mode of survival to escape scrutiny? Clearly, it would be to avoid that wagon, not to pile on.

A smart wolf-team will not throw all of their eggs into one basket (having the whole team on a lynch). You will find wolves both on and off lynching wagons - regardless of alignment of the player lynched.

So-actually to me, it makes perfect logical sense. Again, you aren't looking at the whole picture. Would lynching a town, and the night killing a town be good for scum? Obviously yes! But the factor that you are failing to consider is risk vs reward. Working too hard (getting your whole team to vote off a town) to get a town lynch is way, way to risky for scum to push. It is suicide to play that way.

This is why I feel like there is a higher probability we find scum on the No-Voting list. I am trying to sift through it and get my reads. You say I am just fishing for role flips. Again I ask, where have I ever implied that it was my intention? You quoted my post where I unvoted Shinori right after he role-claimed. So here is another question. Do you think Shinori is town or scum? I personally think he is town. It was very unfortunate that he decided to reveal without any real-pressure, but I highly doubt it was a scum-play. Therefore, I deduced he was not scum and I unvoted to look at the next player on my list.

Its obvious we have different theories. Great. That is why I suggested we help-each-other out, but your way is obviously the only right way, so it won't work. I am actually quite curious as to whose theory will pan out to be the most correct.
 
PMysterious has always been a very eccentric poster. Hard to read, and even harder to understand…I decided to go back and look at his posts. What I found was…interesting….


When did we first realize there were other factions? It was at the end of Day 1 with the Modkilling of TheBank http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2365620&postcount=790

Before that moment, only those with prior knowledge of third-parties would have known about them…look at these posts, all by PMysterious and ALL on Day 1 BEFORE we knew about the enforcers and outlaws…

I think Crimson doesn't want the Seer to be killed or something by him. What confuses me is that there is not enough info to get out of RVs. Why do you say this, Crimson? It doesn't make sense. Also, there is something I have in my mind. I think KingPiplup, Cabd, and Akane are a whole faction and they got the information of the other faction as well. I'm trusting myself on this one.

Vote: homeofmew

Okay, scorri is somewhat faking it, but I don't care so my vote stays on homeofmew. There was a post where she talked normally. However, this could mean scorri got a private warning from his/her posting accident. Like I said before, I don't care about the post restriction and you can't change my mind at this time. My opinion stands on 2 factions in this game.

I wonder, why should I care about a thread when I could worry about a game?

Anyway, the reason why I'm keeping my vote on homeofmew is because I think the information cabd, KingPiplup, and Akane got were based on a whole faction. What I'm saying is that Cabd, KingPiplup, and Akane were all wolves and possibly got who was in another faction by accident.

First off, its my belief that Akane, Cabd, and KingPiplup were scum that knew of another faction by accident and no one can change that belief. As for your questions, I say you and Prohawk are Town and Vablakes is leaning Scum. However, since I don't care about you three, Vablakes is not being voted for. However, there is something I need to get off my chest.

homeofmew, do you mind posting? You're acting so scummy that I could hang you with rubber right now by lurking. So, why don't you try to actually post something of use to possibly change my mind.


He seems obsessed with "factions." He is basing his whole case on factions....all BEFORE we knew for sure there were factions....

After Day 1 ends, you would expect him to use this as evidence to push his case….well we get this:

I have a gut feeling that the Wolves ARE the Enforcers and there are a lot of Indies lurking about including these Pokemon. Of course, that's just my opinion (even though nobody reads me) and no one else can change it. BTW, I was semi-right about the 2 factions.


And that’s all he does…he drops his “faction” case even though he’s suddenly been given evidence…we do however get this:

Also, waynegg. I really got to give you credit, why I'm giving you this this credit is because now, you have put Vablakes at 3. Sure, I'm at 4, but I don't really care. I'm confirmed. However, currently, I'm worthless, but late-game, I can actually help the Town win. I have a sense of aura like Lucario. Early on, I look like a weak player, but as the game goes on, I get stronger and stronger and trust me, soon, I'll be the one that saves the Town from certain defeat. If you thought that was SS7's job, that was 3 games ago, in no way is he going to help you. The Werewolves know 10 times better this game and I'm as surprised as all of you are that he is still alive. In fact, if SS7 doesn't get night-killed this night, I ask to be lynched on Day 4. That's the same amount of time I stayed alive when I was Ghetsis in XVI.

-I am confirmed
-I will save the town from certain defeat?
-I asked to be lynched on Day 4?

Your role is confirmed, not your alignment. Now you are role-claiming and trying to tell the town when you lynch you because you will save the town? I don’t like it. It all smells like trying to control the direction of the town.

4. Okay, my role works in an interesting way. For every 2 votes on me, I get another vote added to the player I voted for. What's funny is that if I sat alive in a 5 player situation, I can't get lynched at all, but I can lynch someone with one vote as long as the other 4 are on me. :lol:

In other words. the equation is 1+ (x/2) rounded down, where x is equal to the amount of votes on me. Its a really interesting way to put it.

His role bugs me a lot and this also leads to my next point. The town wouldn’t need a role like that because they have the advantage of numbers. The whole idea of a town is they have numbers…a role where being put in a losing situation helps you and give you a bigger voting power…well that would make perfect sense for an independent who is on his own, or a very small group of people who do not have the numbers to control the town significantly....more to that…why would he reveal this information? It would seem that it would be better to lie then to say “oh BTW I can totally become unlynchable and I can super-vote for people if you the town, abuse my power!” That just screams target me….

All this information just keeps dragging me to the conclusion that PMysterious is NOT a townsperson. He seems to have had prior information about factions, and knowing his role’s effect, it would be much more helpful for a small group or individual, then a large group of townies. I beleive that PMysterious is a member of one of the third-party factions and thus not a member of this town, and this makes him a threat.

Vote: PMysterious
 
OH CRAP! IT'S MEWTWO! EVERYONE, LYNCH PIKAJEWEL NOW BEFORE THIS BECOMES A CRISIS. SCREW VABLAKES NOW AND JOIN ME ON THIS ONE. I PROMISE THIS WILL SAVE US!
Just because MEW was in capital letters doesn't mean PikaJewel is Mewtwo. If Mewtwo really is the Outlaw leader, it would be a stupid idea to reveal yourself as anti-town.
I don't think it was a glitch on the capital letters. Things become capitalized when you hold SHIFT. It is too perfect to be a simple glitch, it actually spells something. Not just any word, but Wigglytuff, a Pokémon.
 
Absoltrainer was participating in the conversation, talking about who the wolves could possibly be, when he froze. He grabbed his head and dropped to he knees, then fell. He was dead.

You are Musharna, the Drowzee ripoff! You eat peoples' dreams all the time, so you can no longer tell what is a dream and what is reality. When the whoosh flash brought you to a new world, you assumed that you were dreaming. You still do. After all, you do not know Teleport! So you have decided to just play this dream out and wait for yourself to wake up. But you feel like going to sleep in the dream... Can you dream in this dream? And how many times can you do that before you reach limbo? Who knows! As long as you can create visions and barriers with your dreams, you are content.

Sweet Dreams (Active):
1. On odd numbered nights (Nights 1, 3, 5, etc.) you may choose one player. You have a 75% chance of seeing that player's role name. You can pass by priest protection to see this. Any names found out with this role can not be revealed by ANY means, with instant modkill as a result.
2. On even numbered nights (Nights 2, 4, 6, etc.) you may choose a player. That player will be protected from most roles that target them that night.

Win Condition: Town Wins

The rest of the town stared in shock, not daring to speak. Eventually the silence was broken and speech resumed.

Resume Day 3
 
scorri checks to make sure that wasn't a modkill. scorri verifies that it was not a modkill. scorri nods. scorri finds it odd that AT would up and die like that. scorri also finds it odd that PM has yet to explain the wonderfully hidden message in PM's post. scorri does not believe that PM would accidentally spell out a message like that. scorri is ok with this lynch now.

UNOVTE:pOKEMONROCKS777
VOTE:pMysterious
 
It looks like AT died due to some sort of kill word that triggered since the kill message says the town was silent and didn't want to speak. Looking through his last post I don't really see anything out of the ordinary though. I also don't think PM's coded message directly killed AT, since Pikamaster posted a vote update after PM's post and didn't say anything. The only thing I can think of at the moment is that the "RUBBER" in PM's post refers to some sort of deflection that ended up killing AT, but I'm not sure how a kill word relates to that.

Either way, I can only believe that PM had something to do with AT's killing, so my vote goes back.

VOTE: PMYSTERIOUS
 
I still don't get this game and its only day 3 or what ever we call it..
I should of done this day one (what ever we call it) but i need money for regionals I have some questions for everyone (still new at this bare with me) Since
 
Ok sorry I hit tab then enter and it summited here was my thoughts Let me retry since I could not Double post. I am going to repeat my self if thats ok

I still don't get this game and its only day 3 or what ever we call it..
I should of done this day one (what ever we call it) but i need money for regionals I have some questions for everyone (still new at this bare with me .)


I still don't get this game and its only day 3 or what ever we call it..
I should of done this day one (what ever we call it) but i need money for regionals I have some questions for everyone (still new at this bare with me .)

1. How does this game work? (basics? stategy? anything?) I did see the or post number 1 but however I would like a players point of view
2. I don't understand this is because everyone so far is using like 2 letters. (OP?, WC?, etc,)
3. What is ModKill? I am noticing that alot
4. I am guessing I can not talk to anyone in Private Messaging... about this
5. If we have Limited activity (for me its work) what happens
6. Do I have to Vote everyday?
7. if my private message said "Town Wins" am I good or bad?

again this is my first game on this and i'm trying to figure everything out yes i should of done this before the game started... sorry again guys

also yes I did vote one day however I took it back cause we were voting on something good (not killing). I see now
 
....................Well, that was unexpected. I'm starting to agree that PM is a threat after reading his posts, and now the death of AT in the middle of the game day.

Right now I've got something to do that I hoped I wouldn't have too.

WAYNEGG!
IF YOU HAVE EYES, THEN RESPOND TO MY QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED IN THE OTHER GAME DAYS!


I'm going to be ticked if you don't answer to that.

Ok sorry I hit tab then enter and it summited here was my thoughts Let me retry since I could not Double post. I am going to repeat my self if thats ok




I still don't get this game and its only day 3 or what ever we call it..
I should of done this day one (what ever we call it) but i need money for regionals I have some questions for everyone (still new at this bare with me .)

1. How does this game work? (basics? stategy? anything?) I did see the or post number 1 but however I would like a players point of view
2. I don't understand this is because everyone so far is using like 2 letters. (OP?, WC?, etc,)
3. What is ModKill? I am noticing that alot
4. I am guessing I can not talk to anyone in Private Messaging... about this
5. If we have Limited activity (for me its work) what happens
6. Do I have to Vote everyday?
7. if my private message said "Town Wins" am I good or bad?

again this is my first game on this and i'm trying to figure everything out yes i should of done this before the game started... sorry again guys

also yes I did vote one day however I took it back cause we were voting on something good (not killing). I see now

1: Well, to be crude, people from different factions are trying to kill each other so that they can win. But it is usually more logical.
2: Yeah, we have a lot of abbreviations. It took me a while to understand everybody, but it isn't all that hard. Try using this post from the last game as a reference, and ask about others.
3: That is when the Moderator of the game kills someone for breaking the rules.
4: Yeah, unless you happen to be in a faction that allows chat with certain other players.
5: You get on and post when you can, and try to be active. If you can't play, then you are replaced(but as we have no replacements at the moment, you'd be modkilled)
6: No, you get to choose whether or not you vote. But it is advised for you to vote, with your own logic.
7: That depends. You are 'good' too other townies, but you are considered 'bad' for the wolves.

Hope that helps some. Try going to this thread if you have other questions.

Now, back to PM.

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that was not a glitch, and that he is Wigglytuff, with a possible Pokemon Wins or Enforcer Wins condition. Whatever faction he is, and I wouldn't be surprised if Mewtwo is a threat, and that is why he is freaking out about PikaJewel.

He is not behaving pro-town, that's for sure. He is behaving like scum, and though I am still ticked off that waynegg is refusing to acknowledge my existence, he earns my vote.
 
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