Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!

[jellyfisher]

You have 2 days to lynch me, but the question is, would you rather do it and force me to leave.

I will admit, I'm not the best player and in NO way, I'm the one that can save us. But, when I try to play this game, everyone wants to Policy Lynch me for reasons never presented. SS7 is lying about his words and all he's doing is to try and get me modkilled. In no way I did any of the stuff SS7 mentioned. I once knew him as an honest guy, but he has been corrupted by something which I don't know what. All of his posts turned from the truth to nothing but lies. He has no honesty in his soul anymore. When he said that we're removing Vet Reverence, that was a lie. Look at what you're doing now! You're following SS7 who is a Vet and lynching me who is nowhere near that status. Look, the only reason why I survived 4 days as Alpha Wolf in XVI was because I was just lucky that day. I let luck drive me. I can change from the worst player on the Gym to something you can rely on. Please, I just want one more chance. That's all I want, if you give me that chance, I promise I will change. Please reconsider this action and please understand what I'm saying. I no longer trust SS7 and I am stepping away from his shadow and the shadows of all the Veterans. I'm not a veteran, I'm someone that can be dangerous. As quoted from Cabd to many of the players.



I was in the shadows always getting lynched for the exact same reason every time. Vet Reverence is still in this game. Did all of you notice that in our games AFTER the discussion, a Newbie or non-vet was always the first player to be lynched? How come no one has ever noticed that except me? SS7 is nothing but lies. Vet Reverence is still in this game and even SS7 knows about it. Let's break Vet Reverence today and if you all agree with me on this, we are lynching a Vet today and not me. I promise you that Vet Reverence is gonna be history once we do the right thing. Get off me and get on any Veteran player you feel like. It doesn't matter.

SS7: You promised Vet Reverence would have been gone, but through past analysis, Vet Reverence is still out there. Why did Vet Reverence not get removed and why are you trying to keep it around by lynching me? If you lie about this answer, I will vote you.

Enough. I am not going to put up with this any longer.

I am sick and tired of your petty insults and your irritating wounded victim routine (I could extend the list from there, but I don't see any point in doing so).

You claim that people are rude to you on this site. To my knowledge, that is untrue. You claim that SS7 has "no honesty in his soul anymore" for reasons unknown. And you now claim that Vet Reverence is the reason for your dilemma. Well I've got news for you. YOU are the reason for your own problems, not SS7. You claim that anyone that votes for you is supporting vet reverence. This is completely untrue. Just because players are listening to a player that could be considered a vet does NOT mean that they are using vet reverence.

You have 2 days to lynch me, but the question is, would you rather do it and force me to leave.

I said it once, and I'll say it again. NO ONE can force you to leave. If you choose to leave, it is your own choice, no matter what reasons you may have for doing so. Do NOT try to pin it on any of us when we have not at all implied that we want you to leave.

In no way I did any of the stuff SS7 mentioned. I once knew him as an honest guy, but he has been corrupted by something which I don't know what. All of his posts turned from the truth to nothing but lies. He has no honesty in his soul anymore. When he said that we're removing Vet Reverence, that was a lie. Look at what you're doing now! You're following SS7 who is a Vet and lynching me who is nowhere near that status.

Oh, you poor thing. Is the big bad vet being mean to you? Sarcasm aside, most of this section of your post is not in the spirit of the game. You are starting to make personal insults, and that is unacceptable.

I was in the shadows always getting lynched for the exact same reason every time. Vet Reverence is still in this game. Did all of you notice that in our games AFTER the discussion, a Newbie or non-vet was always the first player to be lynched? How come no one has ever noticed that except me? SS7 is nothing but lies. Vet Reverence is still in this game and even SS7 knows about it. Let's break Vet Reverence today and if you all agree with me on this, we are lynching a Vet today and not me. I promise you that Vet Reverence is gonna be history once we do the right thing. Get off me and get on any Veteran player you feel like. It doesn't matter.

1. Your making promises that you can not keep.

2. You are persecuting players because of their skill level.

Does this sound like something a townie would do? And you wonder why players are saying that you are acting like a wolf.

SS7: You promised Vet Reverence would have been gone, but through past analysis, Vet Reverence is still out there. Why did Vet Reverence not get removed and why are you trying to keep it around by lynching me? If you lie about this answer, I will vote you.

First off, SS7 did not promise that Vet Reverence would be eliminated from this site. Secondly, you are assuming that the removal of vet reverence is something that can take place over night. Third, it seems like you expect SS7 to be able to get rid of vet reverence with a flick of his magic wand (for obvious reasons, that's not going to happen). And fourth, you seem to think that the removal of vet reverence can be accomplished by one player. That is not possible.

Also, you are twisting the meaning of vet reverence to suit your own needs. Vet reverence is blindly following someones arguments and ideas (no matter how terrible they are) simply because they are a vet. As far as I know, that has not been done this game. Don't try to get players lynched for something that isn't there.

I would vote for you, but there really isn't any need at this point. If you start playing better, then perhaps you will survive past this game day. But I can assure you, if you continue to play like this, you will be lynched this game day.

 

[Benzo]

NON GAME RELATED POST:

This is a game. We all know that. We all should maintain a civilized manner in order to play a game. Even if a player is frustrated/emotional/ whatever, there is still a simple level of self control THAT IS NECESSARY to keep things simple, fun, and respectable of others that does not go beyond the point of infringement upon others personal being.

I support this game being played on this site, advocate for it in many ways, and see that it is a game.

I know it is tough at times to be all cool and collected- but if a person can not keep it to themselves if they lose that cool and collected behavior, it at times makes me rethink why I support this game if it is going to cause people to lose their cool.

I am not perfect, and at times I lose my cool too. But I request that players who do lose their cool to simply apologize, move on, and re-take control of their attitude and bring it back down to a civil and acceptable behavior.

No more insults, no more off the wall behaviors, PLEASE.

I would like to be able to think I can keep this game supported on here. For the respect of everyone else, no matter any one's choice to continue to play in the future- do not let your personal issues with a GAME effect others.

This game is based on mentality, if you can not handle the "heat"- take a deep breath, step away for a moment, and let your brain cool off. No one likes to have their brains fried (well, cannibals maybe, but we are not cannibals now are we?)- over a game.

PLEASE keep your cool, stop with the insults, and try to be civilized in your words.

I should not have to post another message like this again, nor should the game mod have to do so as well.

If you think this is pointed only to you, it is as you who is reading this. So, over all this is for everyone, including me.

Thanks for your time everyone- keep your cool is all.

 

[scorri]

-Threatening to hammer oneself is scummy (PM did this in PM's last post)
-Making up stuff about other people is scummy (PM did this in PM's last post)
-Threatening to quit because they are about to get lynched is scummy (PM did this in PM's last post)
-Focusing specifically on one person and claiming how they are the source of all the problems happening to oneself if scummy (PM did this in PM's last post)
-Calling people scummy simply because they find oneself scummy is scummy (PM did this to SMP88)
-Role revealing when one has no need to reveal is scummy (yes, Pikajewel is guilt of this sorta as well)
-Hiding coded messages in one's post and then refusing to admit that there was a message is scummy (PM hid a message and then pretended it was a computer glitch when called out on it)
-Lying is scummy (PM lied about the message and about other people)
-Emotional manipulation is scummy (PM does this by threatening to quit, blaming other people for PM's upcoming lynch, PM does this by claiming that PM has so much potential to be the best but others prevent PM from achieving that potential, etc.)

PM: Please explain to scorri how PM has not been acting scummy by the above points and scorri will consider unvoting you.

 

[PMysterious]

-Threatening to hammer oneself is scummy (PM did this in PM's last post)
-Making up stuff about other people is scummy (PM did this in PM's last post)
-Threatening to quit because they are about to get lynched is scummy (PM did this in PM's last post)
-Focusing specifically on one person and claiming how they are the source of all the problems happening to oneself if scummy (PM did this in PM's last post)
-Calling people scummy simply because they find oneself scummy is scummy (PM did this to SMP88)
-Role revealing when one has no need to reveal is scummy (yes, Pikajewel is guilt of this sorta as well)
-Hiding coded messages in one's post and then refusing to admit that there was a message is scummy (PM hid a message and then pretended it was a computer glitch when called out on it)
-Lying is scummy (PM lied about the message and about other people)
-Emotional manipulation is scummy (PM does this by threatening to quit, blaming other people for PM's upcoming lynch, PM does this by claiming that PM has so much potential to be the best but others prevent PM from achieving that potential, etc.)

PM: Please explain to scorri how PM has not been acting scummy by the above points and scorri will consider unvoting you.

Lies. They are all lies. Lynch SS7, the promoter of this nonsense. Not me.

@SS7: Yes, lynching a non-Vet first does apply Vet Reverence.

 

[ProHawk]

Well, this thread moved a little quicker than I had thought it would in the past couple days... Glad to see you come around PokemonRocks. Not-killing is not good, and I expect you to take a stand on something today. You need to vote and post your thoughts before the game-day ends.

UNVOTE: POKEMONROCKS777
VOTEMYSTERIOUS

How much more anti-town can you get? Threats don't sit well with me, and I can't see how a townie would need to resort to threats to win. I thought you couldn't be scum with your role, but everything you have done points to the contrary, perhaps my initial thoughts were indeed wrong.

Waynegg, it looks like we got scum off my list first... :thumb:

 

[Glaceon]

I'm just worried PM is a power role. I can't see a wolf having a role like that.

 

[SMP88]

Lies. They are all lies. Lynch SS7, the promoter of this nonsense. Not me.

@SS7: Yes, lynching a non-Vet first does apply Vet Reverence.

This is just laughable now. Go through each of scorri's posts and say where they're lies. Please, I might consider unvoting you if you can come up with a logical explanation on how all of scorri's points (which have been mentioned multiple times now) are lies.

Also, show where SS7 was the promoter of this.

I'm just worried PM is a power role. I can't see a wolf having a role like that.

If PM's only role is the multi vote thing then he's already wasted most of the potential of it. It's strong at any point when it's used as a surprise. Even if PM were to survive today, who's going to be voting for him later on though? People aren't going to pile votes onto him just to give him the power of more votes.

 

[Sandslash7]

Glaceon ~ He IS a power role. He has the ability to give a player a large amount of votes with just himself.

The issue is his alignment. If he is not wolf (which is drastically unlikely), he could be any of the other alignments. (though as I said previously it is logical for him to be a "Pokemon-Aligned" Pokemon.)



PMysterious ~ I'm again confused by your use of Vet-Reverence. We are lynching a VET first, not a "non-Vet."

You are a Vet.

All of use are treating you like the Vet you are. We are expecting you to logically back up your claims with evidence and reason. We are expecting you to take responsibility for your actions and either own up to them or be proven a liar. We are expecting you to play this game like a vet, removing emotion for logic. We are expecting you to treat the other players honorably, as we treat you.

 

[SMP88]

I meant to say "Go through each of scorri's points and say where they're lies" in my previous post.

 

[DragonClyne725]

@SS7: Yes, lynching a non-Vet first does apply Vet Reverence.

As many people have already stated, there is no vet-reverence happening here. You having been digging your own grave for the past couple of pages. Your method of "defending" yourself has been to call the accusations against you lies and accuse SS7 of spreading them and attacking you. SS7 has made some good points, and you have not acknowledged them, but instead have resorted to launching personal attacks.

PMysterious, I was really hoping your play would improve, but I will place my vote for you when the Day's end nears, most likely tomorrow or the next day.

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I would suggest not ending this Day early. We still have 4 people (Homeofmew, G landers, TheKing, and Your Face) who have yet to post this Day for activity. If we end the Day early, we run the risk of losing 4 people to modkill, on top of PM being lynched.

 

[PMysterious]

Glaceon ~ He IS a power role. He has the ability to give a player a large amount of votes with just himself.

The issue is his alignment. If he is not wolf (which is drastically unlikely), he could be any of the other alignments. (though as I said previously it is logical for him to be a "Pokemon-Aligned" Pokemon.)



PMysterious ~ I'm again confused by your use of Vet-Reverence. We are lynching a VET first, not a "non-Vet."

You are a Vet.

All of use are treating you like the Vet you are. We are expecting you to logically back up your claims with evidence and reason. We are expecting you to take responsibility for your actions and either own up to them or be proven a liar. We are expecting you to play this game like a vet, removing emotion for logic. We are expecting you to treat the other players honorably, as we treat you.

I am not a Vet. I can't stress this enough. A vet is not someone like me. I'm still learning and the pressure does not help. If anyone says I'm a Vet, that's not true and should be treated the same way. I'm more of a player between Newbie and Vet. I'm better than a Newbie, but worse than a Vet. So, Vet Reverence is still going on and you are not lynching a Vet at this time. Anyway, I am seriously sorry for my actions and I really hope you accept them enough to not lynch me. I'll be checking over and seeing how I can actually contribute to this game.

 

[scorri]

PM: Seriously. Respond to scorri's post seriously and show scorri how you have not been playing like scum and scorri will consider not lynching you.

 

[PMysterious]

Okay, I'll get to it.

-Threatening to hammer oneself is scummy (PM did this in PM's last post) I have no idea what I was doing. My emotion was really getting to me.

-Making up stuff about other people is scummy (PM did this in PM's last post) Well, in some cases, that is true. But in others, nada clue.

-Threatening to quit because they are about to get lynched is scummy (PM did this in PM's last post) My emotion is getting the best of me with this.

-Focusing specifically on one person and claiming how they are the source of all the problems happening to oneself if scummy (PM did this in PM's last post) Well, that is somewhat true as SS7 is the ringleader of this lynch.

-Calling people scummy simply because they find oneself scummy is scummy (PM did this to SMP88) Don't ask.

-Role revealing when one has no need to reveal is scummy (yes, Pikajewel is guilt of this sorta as well) What? It became relevant.

-Hiding coded messages in one's post and then refusing to admit that there was a message is scummy (PM hid a message and then pretended it was a computer glitch when called out on it) I regret that now and I did admit to it later.

-Lying is scummy (PM lied about the message and about other people) Message? What message? Please give me post number you speak of about message. Yes, sometimes you gotta lie in order to survive. Funny thing is, a player on MS did the exact same thing to me and I got lynched for it even though the guy lied. Don't ask.

-Emotional manipulation is scummy (PM does this by threatening to quit, blaming other people for PM's upcoming lynch, PM does this by claiming that PM has so much potential to be the best but others prevent PM from achieving that potential, etc.) Okay, okay. I admit this one was true. My emotion was getting to my head really fast. I've been trying to work on this all game because a voice in my head told me that was my biggest flaw.

PM: Please explain to scorri how PM has not been acting scummy by the above points and scorri will consider unvoting you.

Look, I stood up to the truth and like I said, sometimes, your biggest flaw can corrupt you. Emotion was the one thing I'm trying to work on and pressure really doesn't help. So really, I'm trying to prevent my emotions from bursting out. If I can do that and step out of the shadows of others this game, I can actually become a dangerous player (according to the voice in my head). Like I said, I'm not a Vet and I probably will never be a Vet, but I might someday. The only real impressive thing I have going for me right now is surviving until Day 4 as Alpha Wolf in my first game (which was XVI). I really don't know how I can get anymore impressive records like that. Also, I might quit MS and just mod games there when I have nothing else to do.

 

[xxumbreonxx]

PMysterious​

WOW. Just, wow. PM, what are you doing...? If you really ARE a townie, you need to seriously reconsider how you are going to tell us that. All you have done so far is state the same things over and over again, and you have answered everyone's questions with the same response. You have lied, been a bit disrespectful to others personally, and have tried to make everyone feel guilty for voting on you. At this point, even if you are a townie, I wouldn't mind if you got lynched. I know you would be on my team and all, but this is just ridiculous. I'm not trying to be rude, but it's the truth. All of this... and you end up being a townie? that's a MAJOR waste of our time.

~ I just wanted to say to everybody that we have 19 (if I did my math right) people just plain out not voting at all. Some say that's "Anti-town" and some say it's not, but either way that is a LOT of people. How can we even fix this...? because most of the people that aren't voting aren't very active on here... Some of them have an excuse but that again is only some of them

 

[PMysterious]

PMysterious​

WOW. Just, wow. PM, what are you doing...? If you really ARE a townie, you need to seriously reconsider how you are going to tell us that. All you have done so far is state the same things over and over again, and you have answered everyone's questions with the same response. You have lied, been a bit disrespectful to others personally, and have tried to make everyone feel guilty for voting on you. At this point, even if you are a townie, I wouldn't mind if you got lynched. I know you would be on my team and all, but this is just ridiculous. I'm not trying to be rude, but it's the truth. All of this... and you end up being a townie? that's a MAJOR waste of our time.

~ I just wanted to say to everybody that we have 19 (if I did my math right) people just plain out not voting at all. Some say that's "Anti-town" and some say it's not, but either way that is a LOT of people. How can we even fix this...? because most of the people that aren't voting aren't very active on here... Some of them have an excuse but that again is only some of them

Okay, my response to this is plain and simple. The truth hurts sometimes and this is a good example of that. I'm really trying to actually do something and I'm just now starting to calm down after going into an emotional breakdown. So, if you can just stop right there and please think of something else to talk about, I promise that you'll be safe from my wrath. Really, I can't go over the edge again.

Yes, you are about correct. There are more than 15 not voting. This is a big problem even though I'd just get wagoned. Activity is the biggest problem in this game. We can dodge this problem if we had more active players. Because this game is so big, its not long till everyone loses interest and that's probably what is happening.

 

[jellyfisher]

@PMysterious: The way you are posting now is the way you should always post. If you post without being over emotional, and without the insults, people will be more willing to listen to you.

 

[DarthPika]

PMysterious, much better posting on the last few posts. If you do get lynched, as I think you should today, please don't take it personally. Take this game, and learn from your mistakes. If you get over emotional and start randomly accusing players of false behaviors, as well as flat out lying about your own actions, you will be lynched. There is nothing to do with vet reverence. It is only about how you were playing, which was scummy, and scummy player get lynched.

If you still think it's vet reverence, tell me this:

Why would we lynch a vet who is doing nothing scummy at the moment, and even if they are doing something slightly scummy, are STILL far less scummy than you?

 

[waynegg]

I just want to give you a little advice PM. Please read multiple times if need be. Feel free to ask questions for further clarification if need be.

Okay, I'll get to it.



Look, I stood up to the truth and like I said, sometimes, your biggest flaw can corrupt you. Emotion was the one thing I'm trying to work on and pressure really doesn't help. So really, I'm trying to prevent my emotions from bursting out. If I can do that and step out of the shadows of others this game, I can actually become a dangerous player (according to the voice in my head). Like I said, I'm not a Vet and I probably will never be a Vet, but I might someday. The only real impressive thing I have going for me right now is surviving until Day 4 as Alpha Wolf in my first game (which was XVI). I really don't know how I can get anymore impressive records like that. Also, I might quit MS and just mod games there when I have nothing else to do.

It isn't about how long you last. It's about how much you accomplish while you're here. The first game I played here I used the exact same gambit I used this game (though I used it to put heat on Diaz instead of me). I died either that night or the next, don't remember. However, because of what I pulled off it directly lead to the lynching of 3 of the 7 wolves in that game.

Think of it like this- you're on a baseball team. You're team is behind by a run with a man on second and third. What do you do? Easy- you try like h-e-double-hockey-sticks to hit a deep sacrifice fly ball (read sacrifice yourself for the greater good) and advance the two runners at least tying the game if not knocking in the run to go ahead. You don't have to make it to the plate (read stay alive to the end) to make THE pivotal play. In fact, if you make THE pivotal play you are guaranteed to be eliminated.

I take great pride in never lasting longer than 4 game days in any game I've played because in each one I vastly affected the end game for whichever side I was playing on.

 

[PMysterious]

PMysterious, much better posting on the last few posts. If you do get lynched, as I think you should today, please don't take it personally. Take this game, and learn from your mistakes. If you get over emotional and start randomly accusing players of false behaviors, as well as flat out lying about your own actions, you will be lynched. There is nothing to do with vet reverence. It is only about how you were playing, which was scummy, and scummy player get lynched.

If you still think it's vet reverence, tell me this:

Why would we lynch a vet who is doing nothing scummy at the moment, and even if they are doing something slightly scummy, are STILL far less scummy than you?

I just want to give you a little advice PM. Please read multiple times if need be. Feel free to ask questions for further clarification if need be.



It isn't about how long you last. It's about how much you accomplish while you're here. The first game I played here I used the exact same gambit I used this game (though I used it to put heat on Diaz instead of me). I died either that night or the next, don't remember. However, because of what I pulled off it directly lead to the lynching of 3 of the 7 wolves in that game.

Think of it like this- you're on a baseball team. You're team is behind by a run with a man on second and third. What do you do? Easy- you try like h-e-double-hockey-sticks to hit a deep sacrifice fly ball (read sacrifice yourself for the greater good) and advance the two runners at least tying the game if not knocking in the run to go ahead. You don't have to make it to the plate (read stay alive to the end) to make THE pivotal play. In fact, if you make THE pivotal play you are guaranteed to be eliminated.

I take great pride in never lasting longer than 4 game days in any game I've played because in each one I vastly affected the end game for whichever side I was playing on.

First off, before I get lynched, I just wanna say thank you for this advice and I'll be sure to use it in the future. Now, don't take what I said as me giving up, I'm still gonna go down fighting, but in a realistic point of view, there is no way out. I've noticed lately that I've complained that no one would listen to me, but now, it seems that I've been missing the one thing that is holding me back. I've lacked confidence in my own ability and really, it makes me sick to think that. So, as a Last Will, here are my current reads and please follow them.


1. Sandslash7- Scum (His play has been off from normal and is taking advantage of me.)
2. Jellyfisher- I probably say Jelly's on the Town side. (Maybe Town)
3. PMysterious- Town (No brainer)
4. Human Destroyer- Null (Where is he?)
5. Dragonclyne725- Town
6. DarthPika- Maybe Town
7. Kirbyking- Leaning Town
9. Shinori- Null (Don't really know much about Shinori)
11. Thunderjolt- Null
12. Pokemonrocks777- Null
13. Scorri- Town
14. Jpulice- Leaning Scum (This is not a standard jpulice who is usually active.)
15. SMP88- Scum (One of the provokers)
16. JewelQuest- Null
17. Glaceon- Null
18. ProHawk- Null
19. Benzo- Null (I really don't see him lurking this much)
22. PikaJewel- Null
23. Eclipse- Null
24. Homeofmew- Null
25. Pokemonplayer101- Null
26. TheKing- Null
27. G landers- Null
28. Vegitalian- Null
29. Chanman- Null
30. Pokemonfreak5- Null
31. Jason- Null
32. Arcanine/Arbok Master- Null
33. Waynegg- Town
34. Benson- Null
35. Dave628- Null
36. StrongRhino- Null
37. Desufnoc- Null
39. Vablakes- Null
40. xxumbreonxx- Leaning Scum (Sorry Benzo, but your child is really offbeat for me and is trying to provoke me.)
42. Sheepbro- Null
43. Levity- Null
44. Your Face- Null

The reason why a majority of the people are null is because they are lurking like crazy. This is the behavior that bothers me. Lurking is not cool and even though I did it on MS, it was not cool and I admit it myself.

Also, I really ask to help the Enforcers out as I think they really don't have much left and I really want this game to be as fun as possible. The one thing that makes it not fun is when a faction is ran over quickly. Right now, at least 50% of the Enforcers are gone and no Werewolves and only 1 Outlaw has been found. If someone is an Enforcer, help that person out and please hunt for Outlaws and Werewolves. This is my will and I hope you all read this. As SS7 is my only real Scum read, I'll end on this note and I'll iso him this day.

Vote: Sandslash7 I think that's 9 on him already.

 

[thunderjolt]

Wow, all of this is happening so fast....

Hopefully, I'll have more posting frequency when I get back to school and have a more reliable internet connection.

Honestly, I voted for PM because I thought he had some sort of plan up his sleeve, and I still believe that. If you think about it, he executed something rather well. He posted in such a manner that would rack up votes on him until he reached a point where he might be lynched. Then, he started posting "regular" again to avoid the lynch. Now, he has almost full voting power. The hole I see in this play, however, is that there is nobody for PM to 8-vote lynch.

For this reason, I do not believe PM to be anti-town as of now--I believe that he has a rather equal chance of being just about anything. However, I don't really have any hunches of who is a non-town person. I can say Waynegg and Pokemonrocks777 (mostly because that last post of p777's seemed like some kind of ploy). Athough, SMP88 has been on my "gut feeling" radar as well. Alas, that's also not grounds for lynching someone.

I still do not know what to think of Waynegg's gambit. I want to belive that he got something from it, but I just do not see it.

For now, (and I'll be on before Sat night, if I need to re-vote):
UNVOTE: PMysterious