Sabett
Active Member
You talk about "You have GOT to be kidding me. We know what went on. The kid stole someone's cards.
Besides, in the infintesimally tiny chance that there were mitigating circumstances, then it is up to the kid and his parent to bring that information to the league leader and the store owner."
And mom with "
let's not muddy the waters with bogus issues like kleptomania. if the kid actually HAS some kind of mental/behavioral issue then 1)why wasn't the LL informed of it
previously and 2) why wasn't the kid's parent there supervising their child in order to prevent such behavior? parental responsibility, anyone?"
It's exactly this sort of attitude that let's people with real problems slip through the cracks. Mom and Squidwina do bring up valid points. Why wouldn't this be brought up beforehand? Why wasn't this person supervised? This is where our lack of information comes into play, there could be ample reasons for those things, there could not, this doesn't prove he doesn't have the disorder, perhaps he was doing better, maybe his parents are ashamed of it, perhaps they don't even know they have it, which can often be the case with klepto's, but we don't know, and I admit we are going out on a limb here to think about this. But even if this were enough to discredit this possibility, there's other reasons he could be doing this. Why hasn't anyone brought up the obvious mistakes he made as thief? Stealing at a league where he regularly attends? Stealing in a place with cameras everywhere? Playing the exact same cards in the exact same sleeves in front of the person he stole it from? Did he even know who he stole it from? Stealing more than once, and after he was given a clear warning that the league was aware? Has he even been connected to the other theft? This seems a bit odd to me, to be so careless in so many ways. Now I don't know what all of this means, and it is heading in the direction that everyone assumes, but all of this should be taken into consideration as well.
Pokepal is giving us crucial information here, in which we can better understand the situation, although we still technically don't know enough to make a fair judgment. We now know that he was given ample time to come to terms with his theft, if he did steal the first deck. If this is the case, then all we can do is eliminate the possibility that if he stole it and felt great remorse afterward, this also discredits the possibility of sincerity in his apology now. IF he stole the initial deck. There's also the idea that he stole the second deck because the first person got away with it, not that this is excusable.
I'm not going to be ridiculous in saying that there needs to be an elaborate investigation in order to understand the true meanings of this theft, I just wanted to give people food for thought, and to say that people jumped on the bandwagon of hate a little too quick. I will say that everyone else, at this point in time, are probably correct in their assumption, but once again, not without a doubt. The kid was given a chance to make a sincere apology after being caught red handed, and he clearly showed he wanted to put as little effort as he could in order to apologize, which as pokepal said isn't sincere at all. It's a little comical actually, it's the worst apology he could've given you. Anyway, the possibility of anything else happening doesn't matter after that point, that was his window, the chance to redeem himself, potentially explain what really happened, but he shunned it, so even if there was a legitimate reason, short of him being at gun point, he should be condemned for his actions. It's your own decision, pokepal if you choose to pursue an explanation out of him, leave it be, or bring in the police. You also have met him in person, and probably have known him beforehand, and have a better understanding of what kind of person this is. If you sincerely think something was odd about the whole thing, then I suggest finding answers, if you don't really care, well just leave it alone, if you think there is a serious threat of him repeating his actions, then please bring the police involved, if anything to talk sense into him before he does something worse, or if you just feel the need to bring it to that level to get "your pound of flesh" that's fine as well. The decision is yours.
PS: Also, I'm not sure what is meant by mom when she says "'taxes' off-topic path"... I think I missed something based on the edit on waynegg's post, but if I offend this warning, please take action.
Besides, in the infintesimally tiny chance that there were mitigating circumstances, then it is up to the kid and his parent to bring that information to the league leader and the store owner."
And mom with "
let's not muddy the waters with bogus issues like kleptomania. if the kid actually HAS some kind of mental/behavioral issue then 1)why wasn't the LL informed of it
previously and 2) why wasn't the kid's parent there supervising their child in order to prevent such behavior? parental responsibility, anyone?"
It's exactly this sort of attitude that let's people with real problems slip through the cracks. Mom and Squidwina do bring up valid points. Why wouldn't this be brought up beforehand? Why wasn't this person supervised? This is where our lack of information comes into play, there could be ample reasons for those things, there could not, this doesn't prove he doesn't have the disorder, perhaps he was doing better, maybe his parents are ashamed of it, perhaps they don't even know they have it, which can often be the case with klepto's, but we don't know, and I admit we are going out on a limb here to think about this. But even if this were enough to discredit this possibility, there's other reasons he could be doing this. Why hasn't anyone brought up the obvious mistakes he made as thief? Stealing at a league where he regularly attends? Stealing in a place with cameras everywhere? Playing the exact same cards in the exact same sleeves in front of the person he stole it from? Did he even know who he stole it from? Stealing more than once, and after he was given a clear warning that the league was aware? Has he even been connected to the other theft? This seems a bit odd to me, to be so careless in so many ways. Now I don't know what all of this means, and it is heading in the direction that everyone assumes, but all of this should be taken into consideration as well.
Pokepal is giving us crucial information here, in which we can better understand the situation, although we still technically don't know enough to make a fair judgment. We now know that he was given ample time to come to terms with his theft, if he did steal the first deck. If this is the case, then all we can do is eliminate the possibility that if he stole it and felt great remorse afterward, this also discredits the possibility of sincerity in his apology now. IF he stole the initial deck. There's also the idea that he stole the second deck because the first person got away with it, not that this is excusable.
I'm not going to be ridiculous in saying that there needs to be an elaborate investigation in order to understand the true meanings of this theft, I just wanted to give people food for thought, and to say that people jumped on the bandwagon of hate a little too quick. I will say that everyone else, at this point in time, are probably correct in their assumption, but once again, not without a doubt. The kid was given a chance to make a sincere apology after being caught red handed, and he clearly showed he wanted to put as little effort as he could in order to apologize, which as pokepal said isn't sincere at all. It's a little comical actually, it's the worst apology he could've given you. Anyway, the possibility of anything else happening doesn't matter after that point, that was his window, the chance to redeem himself, potentially explain what really happened, but he shunned it, so even if there was a legitimate reason, short of him being at gun point, he should be condemned for his actions. It's your own decision, pokepal if you choose to pursue an explanation out of him, leave it be, or bring in the police. You also have met him in person, and probably have known him beforehand, and have a better understanding of what kind of person this is. If you sincerely think something was odd about the whole thing, then I suggest finding answers, if you don't really care, well just leave it alone, if you think there is a serious threat of him repeating his actions, then please bring the police involved, if anything to talk sense into him before he does something worse, or if you just feel the need to bring it to that level to get "your pound of flesh" that's fine as well. The decision is yours.
PS: Also, I'm not sure what is meant by mom when she says "'taxes' off-topic path"... I think I missed something based on the edit on waynegg's post, but if I offend this warning, please take action.
