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^Hate to break it too you, but people have been trying to make a counter to Magmortar and GG from the very beginning. :/
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Due to boredom with GG in Colorado Springs, no one played it this past weekend at our local tournament. Thus, my kid's Banette/tech deck that won CO States went 2-2.
With less than 2 weeks to go before Regionals, it will be interesting to see if GG and Magmortor can be toppled. Dispite a couple Magmortor decks this past weekend at our local tourney, they did NOT finish at the top.
With less than 2 weeks to go before Regionals, it will be interesting to see if GG and Magmortor can be toppled. Dispite a couple Magmortor decks this past weekend at our local tourney, they did NOT finish at the top.
chriscobi634
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i would have popped out my SD for States but was dumb enough to give Tsunami a try (darn you Pooka for showing me your Tsunami, jk bud).
I'm going to playtest our new list possibly today and a whole lot tomorrow to give more accurate match-ups. But I really it's the BDIF, since it had a 60-40 vs. Magmortar, Banette, G/G and Tsunami. Maybe even a 65-35 vs. them. With the new we are adding in those match-ups should get a %5 boost in our favor, and give us a 60-40 vs Gardy lock decks.
So your statement was over even before States.:wink:
Who doesn't have their doubts that there is a good rogue counter when GG won half the cities and half the states with magmortar cleaning up the other 40% of events? Seriously, if there was a good counter (before MD is released), it will surprise me.
ryanvergel
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There are a lot of counters to GG/Magmortar.
People are just lazy.
And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
People are just lazy.
And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
mca3
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GREAT QUOTE of OUR Lord Jesus Christ!!! That was WELL said. You cant just GIVE UP after TRYING a few times to COUNTER decks and say" Its hard, they just CANT be countered!!!" That is a LOAD of CRAP, YOU just have to put in MORE time than EVERYONE else, I might be NEW, BUT I sure have put in days at a time or more trying to find ways to beat the TOP DECKS since I have been playing, NO MATTER what it is!!! Wether its Jimmy, Muk Man, or who ever, WE have put in the TIME and WORK TRYING and DOING what others say is IMPOSSIBLE or is TOO HARD to do. Well....CRY ABOUT IT!!! You Cant expect to STAND by something after ONLY trying a FEW times, the ONLY reason that those decks are winning and OUR Rogues Arent is BECAUSE those decks are MORE consistant, THATS it!!! If I or ANYONE else who builds their OWN decks can make something where it is as CONSISTANT as those decks, THAN there is YOUR Championship!!!
V_For_Vendetta
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People like to simply whine about a deck bieng too good and complain to POP that they need to be banned or a counter needs to be printed because they are to silly and lazy to make a counter themselves. Countering GG is not hard, countering Magmortar is not that hard, countering the good players who often run them, however, is usually EXTREMELY hard.
Bit off topic..but mca3, i do believe ryans quote was from Moses. Not Jesus Christ.
This same kind of thread is made every year. Just different decks to pointlessly argue over. Talk is cheap, just go out and win/lose/illegitametly sccop to your friends..idc just do it with less repetition lol.
This same kind of thread is made every year. Just different decks to pointlessly argue over. Talk is cheap, just go out and win/lose/illegitametly sccop to your friends..idc just do it with less repetition lol.
Scipio
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I'd like to add something here. Countering either of the two indeed isn't the hardest thing in the world. However, having a deck that has a positive matchup against BOTH, now THERE is a problem. And even if you got it, try to make it stable.
"It's easier said than done" ~ Prime 2008
Seriously, if it was so easy to counter Mag/GG, they wouldn't have won 90% of states. More than 3 rogue decks would have won a state, and Banette (the hard counter to GG) would have won a lot more than 4 states.
I don't understand why someone wouldn't play a counter at States if it were SO easy to counter Mag/GG. It'd give them a pretty clear ride to the top cut and probably even to winning the entire tournament. Seems to me that nobody really had the counter around States, and people are just now talking with their friends who make decks better than they do, and getting that counter and then coming onto here and talking about how easy it is to counter the decks.
I do not doubt that people will try to counter Mag/GG at Regionals, but how well those counters do will be later determined. Any talk about how easy it has been to counter the decks only makes players look bad for not actually using those counters when they could go for the easy win and easy points.
Seriously, if it was so easy to counter Mag/GG, they wouldn't have won 90% of states. More than 3 rogue decks would have won a state, and Banette (the hard counter to GG) would have won a lot more than 4 states.
I don't understand why someone wouldn't play a counter at States if it were SO easy to counter Mag/GG. It'd give them a pretty clear ride to the top cut and probably even to winning the entire tournament. Seems to me that nobody really had the counter around States, and people are just now talking with their friends who make decks better than they do, and getting that counter and then coming onto here and talking about how easy it is to counter the decks.
I do not doubt that people will try to counter Mag/GG at Regionals, but how well those counters do will be later determined. Any talk about how easy it has been to counter the decks only makes players look bad for not actually using those counters when they could go for the easy win and easy points.
V_For_Vendetta
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"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." ~ Lao-tzu 590 BC
Wrong. A tournoment with 1000 Gallade decks and 10 red face paint decks will obviously be run by the Gallade because EVENTUALLY your deck will mess up and you will lose. GG won most of the states because so few people went red face paint, and even fewer did a good job.
Both decks are easy to counter individually, countering them both, however, is no easy task. I can name about 10 red face paint decks that beat either GG OR Mag, but only a few that have a decent matchup against both
Myself and a few friends made a counter deck and ran it at FL states. I was beaten by two randombad decks that had my weakness and resisted me, another one got badly donked twice, and one of use made cut, only to be beaten out by a T2 Plox game 1 then a T3 Plox game three. The deck was called Red Fraction, and had excellent matchups against GG, Mag, and Banette (as I myself proved by beating one of each at states when we both setup well).
Most people do not have the imagination, skill, or patience to attempt to make a good red face paint deck, and those players will never win any major event against legit competition as long as they live. Simply.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any one thing." Abraham Lincoln
Why do you think GG/Mag were the most played decks? If it was so easy to counter the decks, why would others play GG/Mag?
Every year, a certain number of players will play the deck that they feel is the best. So there will always be a group of players that will play the #1 or #2 deck, but there has always been another group of very good players that will play the counter and try to "break" the format. If it were so easy to counter GG/Mag, then those players that constantly try to "break" the format would have won their handful of tournaments (handful = 5, only 3 rogue decks actually won a states [not including Banette as rogue since it's a hard counter to a big deck right now]) with the counter. What I feel happened is that people weren't able to "break" the format, and thus ended up playing the same deck as everyone else.
Remember that Jimmy Ballard came onto this forum and asked for Mag/GG to be banned for Regionals. Not until a bit of time after that did he actually start tooting his horn about a counter. Explain to me how easy it is to counter Mag/GG and yet one of the most brilliant minds in this game had to ask for certain cards to banned?
You can't just throw around the word counter. To truly counter a deck, you need to be able to beat it in every environment. If you can't beat GG/Mag with your "counter" if the GG/Mag player is any decent, then you don't have a counter. Simple as that. If you can't beat the torterrible decks that you might face in the swiss to even get to the top cut to face off against GG/Mag, then you don't have a counter. To truly have a counter, your decks needs to perform just as well as the countered deck, and be able to beat it regardless of who is behind the steering wheel of it.
Anything less, and you (not you, general you) are just making excuses to make you and your deck sound better than they actually are.
Again...excuses. If you can't beat the swiss decks, how good is your deck anyways? Luck happens to everyone, even the GG/Mag decks. If your "counter" is as good as you make it out to be, it would be adopted by the better players and sooner or later, it would win a states. You can't use luck as an excuse to why your "counter" didn't perform. It just makes your (again, not you, but general you) deck look poor.
I agree. Many players don't have the imagination, skill, or patience to attempt to make a good rogue deck. But some people know when to throw in the towel and just play what will win the tournament. People can boast all their want about how they have the counter to Mag/GG and how easy it is the counter them, but when it comes down to the real facts, they played Mag/GG at Cities and at States, which shows just how much of a "counter" their deck was.
**Disclaimer: Not trying to start a fight or anything, just posting comments. Let's keep this going like adults and keep the conversation alive.**
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