What will Win State?

[Darkwalker]

There is the possibility of Unown G becoming a Gallade counter as well for Wailord. Yes it has it's own weaknesses in that it will be considered a tool and can be Windstormed away, but it's much easier to search out and use that Holon WP and with no other real requirements for it's effect to work it can easily be played in a deck that includes Holon WP. Wailord's biggest problem seems to be it's attack. If you can overcome that weakness then Wailord can become a force to be reckoned with.

 

[Dark Ninja]

what will win states? Unown.dec

 

[Rambo1000]

if you have good draw, one of FOUR wp's won't be hard to draw into.

 

[ryanvergel]

I love how everyone's only hope against Gallade is a special energy you can't search your deck for. What happens one of your four WP is discarded by Absol? Seriously, WP isn't a consistent answer against effects just as FF isn't a consistent answer against weakness. Either way, all it takes is Gallade/Gardevior hitting Wailord for 70 and then it can Bring it Down for the KO on it (if there aren't any unevolved/basic pokemon on G&G side).

And if wailord doesn't heal ANY damage in between those two attacks.

It only has a healing body, and plays healing cards in the deck.

 

[Scizor]

The best Gardy/Gallade doesn't even play Absol.

 

[Papi/Manny]

I love how everyone's only hope against Gallade is a special energy you can't search your deck for. What happens one of your four WP is discarded by Absol? Seriously, WP isn't a consistent answer against effects just as FF isn't a consistent answer against weakness. Either way, all it takes is Gallade/Gardevior hitting Wailord for 70 and then it can Bring it Down for the KO on it (if there aren't any unevolved/basic pokemon on G&G side).

And Gallade does the same thing against blissey/magmortar/mirror. And yet all of them can take it. The fact that gallade is the only thing that can even threaten wailord decently is scary. Taking down a swarm of these things is going to be next to impossible.

 

[Articjedi]

Since when was absol the best gardy variant, Prime? Maybe if you weren't such a pessimist you'd probably come up with something by now. At least these guys are trying.

 

[Scizor]

And Gallade does the same thing against blissey/magmortar/mirror. And yet all of them can take it. The fact that gallade is the only thing that can even threaten wailord decently is scary. Taking down a swarm of these things is going to be next to impossible.

If you really think Gallade loses to Blissey, you have issues. Wailord, come on now.

 

[Papi/Manny]

^Good blissey varients can take gallade.

 

[TODDakaESTEBAN]

absolutly right, high hp kills gallades power by it's second knockout, that doesn't mean it's an unwinnable matchup though it's just more chalenging, you just have to use your psychic cut inteligently, i would think that it's fair to say that pretty much all blissey varients are harder for gallade than you would expect unless they hit a lake boundary against blissey with no FF or blastoise d

ABSOL GALLADE MAY NOT BE THE BEST GALLADE VARIENT BUT IT'S THE BEST ABSOL VARIENT

 

[MrMeches]

Wailord, Furret, Xatu.

Allow Furret to get Koed, Scramble a Wailord while building others on the Bench and just start recycling them!

All Stage 1 Pokes so easy enough to setup, play 2-3 Cessation to slow your opponents setup, and just keep hammering for 60!

Wailord will be interesting, but Gatr d could make a comeback if it gets to much popularity IMHO! Being able to Drag Off a Non Powered Wail on the bench could be disruptive ntm bringing up a Xatu!

Interesting decks for sure!

 

[chriscobi634]

I love how everyone's only hope against Gallade is a special energy you can't search your deck for. What happens one of your four WP is discarded by Absol? Seriously, WP isn't a consistent answer against effects just as FF isn't a consistent answer against weakness. Either way, all it takes is Gallade/Gardevior hitting Wailord for 70 and then it can Bring it Down for the KO on it (if there aren't any unevolved/basic pokemon on G&G side).

actually the new mawile is damn good against G/G. Resists Gardy so it can't OHKO with a Strength Charm or Plus Power. Flips over your opponents prizes, so Gallade can't do much more damage with Psychic Cut for 0 energy. So you could just retreat what ever pokemon you start with and let it do it's thing. Yes, please.

P.S: I have to give Pooka credit for this observation.

 

[Hatter™]

Weezing/Crobat/Toxicroak= woo

 

[DarthPika]

^ Thought of that one months ago but it was to slow.

 

[Umbreon777]

actually the new mawile is damn good against G/G. Resists Gardy so it can't OHKO with a Strength Charm or Plus Power. Flips over your opponents prizes, so Gallade can't do much more damage with Psychic Cut for 0 energy. So you could just retreat what ever pokemon you start with and let it do it's thing. Yes, please.

P.S: I have to give Pooka credit for this observation.

I agree with you. Mawile is honestly the only thing I see being consistantly effective against Gallevoir. I see all of these low-brow opinions and wonder if any one of them has even played against it. No one knows what will win states. All we can do is make assumptions. Obviously Gallevoir and Magmortar are going to be making top cuts. And so will the likes of Blissey and possibly Togekiss variants.

I just think its so funny how everyone is so biased towards their favorite pokemon/decks. A good Magmortar player can beat Gallevoir easily. And no human in their mental mind would flip over all 6 prizes for a wailord. You just have to blade or flip 1 three times. 80 + 80 +80 = 240 (and compinsates healing)

By the way, Gallevoir is such a better name than "Gardylade" or "G&G". You should all be able to tell it rolls of the tongue like delicious pudding.

 

[Ardoptres]

Gallevoir sounds sooooooooo bad, sorry. Really, it's so bad. It even looks ugly.

 

[Darkwater]

what exactly does t2 mean? ex: T2 blissey

 

[Let Fire Fall]

Turn two. Decks that base their success on the 'rush early and end the game before it gets too far' strategy. So any card that does a lot of damage early basically and can swarm is a T2 deck.

ie: Blissey, Kriketune, Magmortar

 

[pokemaniac93]

the only turn 2 cards are Blissey and Magmortar. Kricketune just plain sucks. Nowadays, there are lots of pokemon that can K.O. it in 1 hit(Darkrai while asleep, Gallade, Gardevoir Lv.X, Magmortar, and lots more!!!

 

[Prime]

Since when was absol the best gardy variant, Prime? Maybe if you weren't such a pessimist you'd probably come up with something by now. At least these guys are trying.

Where did I say that Articjedi? Show me where I say Absol was the best Gardy variant. All I said was that there was the possibility of Absol discarding holon WP.

Pessimist? How about realist? I'm pretty good at guessing whether or not a card can do really well in a format, and my gut tells me that Wailord will fail miserably when it comes to State Championships. Wailord has nothing going for it other than it's HP. HP won't win you tournaments. If that were true, Tor-Terrible would be winning every tournament.

And Gallade does the same thing against blissey/magmortar/mirror. And yet all of them can take it. The fact that gallade is the only thing that can even threaten wailord decently is scary. Taking down a swarm of these things is going to be next to impossible.

Many Blissey variants fail horribly against Gallade. I only know of a few that can even stand up to it, and that is because of the sidekick ran with Blissey, not how Blissey is ran differently.

What kind of point is saying Gallade can beat Gallade? I saw you mentioned mirror.

Think about this. What can Magmortar do to Wailord? Spread damage? Yeah...right. They might get KO'd in 10 turns. Hit the active Wailord for 100? Like that would hurt it. The only pokemon that actually has answers to Wailord in the current format is Gallade. Don't make Gallade look stupid against Wailord if all the other good cards are beyond stupid against Wailord.