Let Fire Fall
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You just have to understand that some people aren't creative enough to make their own decks. They think that once theres an archetype they have no other choice.
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You just have to understand that some people aren't creative enough to make their own decks. They think that once theres an archetype they have no other choice.
I agree and disagree. Right now, you can't build your own creative deck and do well with it...or most people can't. The same three decks are winning all the tournaments, Magmortar, G&G and Blissey variants. Even if people are creative and build their own deck, 99/100 times that deck will fail miserably against the current overpowered decks. I think cities is proof of that.
Articjedi
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You're just a skeptic. Seriously, you disagree with every new idea that comes up, and then you just say that nothing ever changes. Why don't you try making change instead of saying that the change will never happen?
That goes for all of you in the thread as well. Try it, if it doesn't work, try something else. Who cares if the first idea doesn't work? You can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs.
That goes for all of you in the thread as well. Try it, if it doesn't work, try something else. Who cares if the first idea doesn't work? You can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs.
You know nothing about me other than what I post. Do you think I sit at home and play the same archetypes all the time? Heck no. I try new ideas all the time. But I'm not an idiot, I know when my good ideas don't stand a chance against any of the current big decks.
The situation will change with the release of a new set, so I am only talking about HP-SW.
How is me disagreeing with ideas affecting the system? Nobody listens to me anyways. I don't affect the system, everyone else does. Everyone else is keeping the system stale.
What did you play at cities? The only report you actually posted was you playing Walrein and losing in the top 4. I am sure you played in other tournaments. Why no reports? Did you not do well at them, did your "creative" ideas not take the cake as you make it seem so simple to do?
Seriously, win a tournament with a new creative idea before preaching to the crowd that it is possible.
I always advocate creativity. I love to talk about new strategies, and love to help people with their decks. But right now, you have little to no chance to do well with any deck but the big decks unless your area is just not competitive and plays those decks.
The situation will change with the release of a new set, so I am only talking about HP-SW.
How is me disagreeing with ideas affecting the system? Nobody listens to me anyways. I don't affect the system, everyone else does. Everyone else is keeping the system stale.
What did you play at cities? The only report you actually posted was you playing Walrein and losing in the top 4. I am sure you played in other tournaments. Why no reports? Did you not do well at them, did your "creative" ideas not take the cake as you make it seem so simple to do?
Seriously, win a tournament with a new creative idea before preaching to the crowd that it is possible.
I always advocate creativity. I love to talk about new strategies, and love to help people with their decks. But right now, you have little to no chance to do well with any deck but the big decks unless your area is just not competitive and plays those decks.
Umbreon777
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Rogue can take the format if played well in a good format. (i.e. Delta, Destiny, Ballardlutions) However this format, *starts to choke* isnt quite ready. I could be wrong though. VERY wrong. Let's just wait.
Actually Prime, he and a few other people DID create a few new decks, including Fire Truk. As for not posting and helping, I recall seeing them post an entire article trying to help the gym, as a matter of fact, but a few closed minded punks decided to go on there and fling insults at the people who were trying to help, including, if memoory serves, YOU. So excuse them if they don't feel like helping and posting lists on the gym, perhaps they simply don't want to waste time and effort with people who say Mario and Kricketune were ever VIABLE, let alone good plays for cities =/.
LOL, that's so funny. The "Mario isn't a deck" article didn't post a single way to fix Mario or make it better. The creators of that article didn't try to make a rogue deck good, they just showed reasons why it was bad....which is exactly what I am doing here.
Give me 5 good reasons why the "mario isn't a deck" article helped the community, and let them not all be, "it showed that mario wasn't a competitive choice". That's one reason there, now give me 4 more. You won't be able to find 4 more good reasons why the article helped the community, because it didn't help the community in any way. NOBODY gained from that article and the article was made just to tear apart another deck, even if the creators don't want to admit it.
I never said anything about posting lists, SPARTA. Where are you pulling this stuff from? Are you still stuck in a conversation that was going on MONTHS ago?
If you knew what I was talking about SPARTA, you'd know I am talking about post-TRUK. By the time the whole TRUK fad had gone over, the format was dominated by less than a handful of decks. Any person that can look at the city results and see G&G win a little less than half the cities and still say that what I am saying is not the truth needs to check their glasses.
So what if they made Fire Truk? The format before SW was much more open to new ideas. The format after SW was concrete, and that is evident by the decks that won cities.
Give me 5 good reasons why the "mario isn't a deck" article helped the community, and let them not all be, "it showed that mario wasn't a competitive choice". That's one reason there, now give me 4 more. You won't be able to find 4 more good reasons why the article helped the community, because it didn't help the community in any way. NOBODY gained from that article and the article was made just to tear apart another deck, even if the creators don't want to admit it.
I never said anything about posting lists, SPARTA. Where are you pulling this stuff from? Are you still stuck in a conversation that was going on MONTHS ago?
If you knew what I was talking about SPARTA, you'd know I am talking about post-TRUK. By the time the whole TRUK fad had gone over, the format was dominated by less than a handful of decks. Any person that can look at the city results and see G&G win a little less than half the cities and still say that what I am saying is not the truth needs to check their glasses.
So what if they made Fire Truk? The format before SW was much more open to new ideas. The format after SW was concrete, and that is evident by the decks that won cities.
2. It explained why the deck didn't work without luksaking
3. It gave them more ideas of what else to play with Lucario
4. It explained the difference between speed decks and setup decks, emphasizing on how the two could not be interchangable
5. It was the elite players posting something that helped the community, to show that they do try to help and not be "elitist snobs"
You are always preaching that lists should be put into deck reports, even getting into a volitile arguement with a friend of mine that got him banned during it. Posting reports with you always talking about how lists should be put, I kinda tacked it on because I guessed thats wat you meant. Sorry if i was off, and that your reputaion proceded you.
Post Truk? Excuse me? Truks are still around, it just so happened that alot of silly people (such as yourself, I am sad to say) started stealing and overusing the Truk tag, thus they went to a different type of named series. And btw, cities are ALWAYS dominated by a handful of decks, Metanite last year, LBS the year before, ect.
Lets be honest Prime, the current format is absolute garbage. There are few playable tournoment winning cards, and trying to come up with tournoment winning decks to stop the current big tier 1 decks is like pulling teeth with a potato. Fire Truk is an example of the most successful deck that the made from the new set. Omar also made Banette Blissey, which caught on well. Coming up with ANYTHING in this dead enviornment is commendable, so coming up with two tier one decks damn well is too.
Sorry to any Team HB member who feels any of this is false. If it is, feel free to chew me out and tell me to correct it.
2. That's the same thing as my number one. Explaining why the deck doesn't work is the same as my "mario isn't a competitive option".3. Yeah, right. It gave them the same old combos that EVERYONE and their grandma new. I'll just a list a few, without the article in front of me, and I'll guess every single one. Empoleon. Dodrio. Blissey. Banette. I think that was it. REAL HARD. The truth is that it didn't give a single good idea that people didn't already know about and tried already.
4. It mentioned speed decks and setup decks. It didn't really go that much into them though other than to say that Mario was a combination of both and thus didn't work...leading me to #1.
5. LOL, this isn't a reason. A reason that this article contributed to the community is...it was elite players posting something that helped the community. WOW
I would never say the people that posted the article were bad players, as I have met a few of them, but the article wasn't anything more than a cleaned up political attack ad on a popular deck.
I'm sorry, I totally forgot about TRUKS when G&G came out and wasn't called _____ TRUK and when people stopped including the word TRUK in all their decks. Congrats on still using the name TRUK, you are creative now.
I agree that Fire Truk is one of the most successful new decks, but it wasn't that hard to think of. It resembles the old-age Blaziken almost to a tee. Kudos to those who came up with it, but if they didn't, the next person in line would have. Banette/Blissey? That's just 2 good pokemon put together. Nothing against Omar, but that's as creative as Empoleon/Lucario, Lucario/Blissey, Lucario/Dodrio, Empoleon/Dodrio, etc, etc, etc.
If you agree with me SPARTA on the state of the format, why argue with me? You said the same thing I said. It's impossible to make a new tier 1 deck that can keep up with the big decks right now. Even with a new set, there is a very small chance of a new deck coming out.
billbilski
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I'm working on it... fingers crossed ... you KNOW i'm crazy enough...... See ya at IN states..... I don't know about you, but playing the mirror up to four times in a tourney doesn't sound very interesting. Who needs a worlds invite anyhow? Oops I guess it would be cool -- I'll play Magmorter then.(I can see you running to the binder to insert random water tech) LOL.
Umbreon777
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Octillery tech OWNS you Scott!!!1!!one!1! :lol:
~`Flygon`~
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Chance of a new deck coming is so slim but so possible. Its alot of combos,but involve to much luck/setup to work constantly.It will happen,but we just dont know when.
I guess you haven't read Cessation Crystal if you mean Ray d HP16 to tech with Wailord against electric??
doppelganger
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banette banette banette banette. i thought it would be a straight forward either works or it dosn't deck. but straight banette has been a very long winded project, and has almost unlimited potentiel. it can adapt suprisingly well and has so many ways to trick, desceve and completely throw an opponent off guard its funny!!!
i played it with 40 trainers, but i am now thinning cetain things to make room for more trainers, like TGW can become 3 for me, things like that. its a really hard deck to get right, but i think the right persistance and theory put to some serious punchbagging will really give him an edge...
straight banette...very complex, very good.
i played it with 40 trainers, but i am now thinning cetain things to make room for more trainers, like TGW can become 3 for me, things like that. its a really hard deck to get right, but i think the right persistance and theory put to some serious punchbagging will really give him an edge...
straight banette...very complex, very good.
Ghetto Overlord
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Quickatune?
And you are going to run what electric pokemon with cessasion crystal? Say electrode, please say electrode.
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