Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Who else is sitting out nats?

Pete De Shaw said:
Empahatically Not True Event registration and stipend pick up are separate. Picking up your stipend will not register you for the tournament. Everyone has to fill out the event registration slips. Please do all you can to help us to dispel this rumor. I would really hate for someone to think they had registered by picking up their stipend and then not be allowed to play.

The POP team encourages all of our State and Regionals winners to play. The purpose of providing trips and travel stipends is to get more of our best players to play in Nationals. That being said, there is no punishment for picking up your stipend then choosing not to play in Nationals. However, we will be looking at this. If it turns out that this behavior is common, I will have to seriously consider removing these prizes from future seasons.

I will be completely unsympathetic to anyone who registers for the event with an awarded bye but then drops before playing a round. This just smacks of gaming the system and I will not hesitate to instruct the computer operators to delay the drop until that player completes as least one actual game. I don't know why anyone would want to do that unless it has something to do with getting the promo card and t-shirt. If that is the case, how about coming to one of us with the problem rather than playing a game with our registration process? I think you will find that the end result will be far more pleasant for everyone.
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Or instead of removing the prizes, maybe, I don't know, make it so players have to PLAY to get their stipend rather than removing the prizes altogether. Want your check? Play a minimum number of rounds. No reason to screw those of us that DO use the stipends to get to Nats so we can PLAY because of a few that don't. I know one of the guys that goes to my league would NOT be making Nationals without that stipend, and neither would I.
 
Pete De Shaw said:
...and I will not hesitate to instruct the computer operators to delay the drop until that player completes as least one actual game.
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While I like that there is an interest in deterring people from messing with the tournament, this sounds like the wrong way to do it. Tournament Rules say that the player should be dropped after failing to report by the end of the round for which they no-showed. This rule should be adhered to. To instruct the computer operators to do otherwise compromises the integrity of the event even more and challenges the ethics of the computer operators. Not that those who registered just for the shirt or stipend and then dropped don't already impact event integrity, but two wrongs... It sounds like you are making up a penalty.

Why not call it what it is, procedural error, and DQ them and apply the lasting consequences section of the Penalty Guidelines?

Tournament Rules said:
6. Tardiness
Players are expected to be present for the start of a tournament and each of its component rounds and matches. Players arriving more than 5 minutes late for any round should receive a match loss for that round. Players who are still not present by the end of that round should be dropped from the tournament.
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Penalty Guidelines said:
7.5. Procedural Error
A player who causes an error in the operation of an event, ...

7.5.3. Severe
This category is typically reserved from an infraction that has a significant impact on the event, or is the result of a breakdown in event protocol.
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Penalty Guidelines said:
8. Lasting Consequences
Players who commit repeated infractions over a series of events, or commit enough infractions at a single event to result in disqualification, may require a lasting penalty to be assigned to them.
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Please don't take this as a challenge to your authority, but instead observing that there is a way to do what you want within the established rules.
 
Shadow Zangoose said:
Or instead of removing the prizes, maybe, I don't know, make it so players have to PLAY to get their stipend rather than removing the prizes altogether. Want your check? Play a minimum number of rounds. No reason to screw those of us that DO use the stipends to get to Nats so we can PLAY because of a few that don't. I know one of the guys that goes to my league would NOT be making Nationals without that stipend, and neither would I.
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IMO, Pete is saying that it would have to turn into a common practice by players to have TPCi simply finance a week of fun at Nats w/o playing. I dont see that happening. I think most players that win the award end up playing in the event.

Hopefully they will not remove the awards. Simply make it necessary to play a few rds to gather that award.

Keith
 
A bunch of my friends are going. I can't go cuse I got to work. I would like to go, but I like making money more.
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Box of Fail said:
Do you think you're more likely to win worlds than nats?

If not, skipping nats to go to worlds is an awful idea. If I sat out nats, I'd be sure to have an invite, but US nats is every bit as spectacular an event as worlds. I'd rather win nats than worlds tbh.

Imagine you sit out nats and then miss cut at worlds. Was that really so great? If you actually lose points because of nats you can still grind.


If nats were a Sableye format, I would have sat it out (basically tried to drop during my byes, but if that didn't work I was fully prepared to donk someone with Sableye then drop). The format right now is simply AWFUL, but it isn't Sableye and unlike in a potential Sabledonk nats, we are most definitely stuck with the same format for worlds. So I'd play it out.
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I dont think sitting out is neccessarily a bad idea sometime. Remember Flaming Spinach like 4 years ago. He managed to keep himself in the top 20 in NA region all year long. He even talked his parents into driving him over 200 miles away for a State championship on the very same day that there was a Sate championship taking place in the very city in which he lived. Then after Battle Roads were finished and he was sitting safe in the high teens in NA he announced that he was not going to play Nats. But then he got cold feet at the last minute and was afraid that he would get passed up if he did not play so he went to Nats and went 3-4 drop with Mario and lossed his invite and his paid trip to Hawaii. When the final ranking scores were posted, his orginal score would have been good enough for the trip and spot in Worlds.
 
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Why is so much importance placed on playing in the main event? Is everything else that goes on at National completely irrelevant to P!P? Also, how does ethics have anything to do with choosing to not participate in a tournament? Some of the posters here make it sound like players are OBLIGATED to play through every tournament of every season or else they're cheating the game.

The odds of any one person winning National are infinitesimally low. The odds of an extremely high-ranked player with a sure invite and a great season behind him losing points (and the invite) due to factors completely outside of his control, such as donks, are decent enough to warrant at least consideration from the players in that position.

A lot of people consider going to World more important than playing all the way through National. Why are those people being faulted? Isn't the end goal of every single season to get to World somehow, someway, and enjoy that incomparable weekend of non-stop international Pokemon fellowship? What good is it to play in National only to lose an invite to World? In that situation, playing in National turns into a sort of punishment.

If P!P fixed the ELO system, fixed how they deal with rankings and invites in general, etc., maybe more players would participate in every event. Until then, don't expect people who are well over the threshold for an invite to World to always want to risk losing that invite on a few donks at National.
 
JandPDS said:
I dont think sitting out is neccessarily a bad idea sometime. Remember Flaming Spinach like 4 years ago. He managed to keep himself in the top 20 in NA region all year long. He even talked his parents into driving him over 200 miles away for a State championship on the very same day that there was a Sate championship taking place in the very city in which he lived. Then after Battle Roads were finished and he was sitting safe in the high teens in NA he annoucned that he was not going to play Nats. But then he got cold feet at the last minute and was afraid that he would get passed up if he did not play so he went to Nats and went 3-4 drop with Mario and lossed his invite and his paid trip to Hawaii. When the final ranking scores were posted, his orginal score would have been good enough for the trip and spot in Worlds.
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What makes you think he would've done any better at worlds than he did at nats?
 
JandPDS said:
I dont think sitting out is neccessarily a bad idea sometime. Remember Flaming Spinach like 4 years ago. He managed to keep himself in the top 20 in NA region all year long. He even talked his parents into driving him over 200 miles away for a State championship on the very same day that there was a Sate championship taking place in the very city in which he lived. Then after Battle Roads were finished and he was sitting safe in the high teens in NA he annoucned that he was not going to play Nats. But then he got cold feet at the last minute and was afraid that he would get passed up if he did not play so he went to Nats and went 3-4 drop with Mario and lossed his invite and his paid trip to Hawaii. When the final ranking scores were posted, his orginal score would have been good enough for the trip and spot in Worlds.
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Some of the details may be off, but you are pretty close.
 
Flaming_Spinach said:
Some of the details may be off, but you are pretty close.
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Wow I had not idea you were still lurking on the Gym. You don't post much. Have you played at all recently?
Well it was a few years ago and my memory is not as sharp as it was, but I do remember feeling for you after everything went down.
 
Box of Fail said:
What makes you think he would've done any better at worlds than he did at nats?
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He didn't just lose an invite, he lost a free holiday to Hawaii and the opportunity to become the World Champion. You can't compare the experience of playing in Worlds to playing in Nationals, he lost a once in a life time experience.
 
Please DO NOT compare 2007 with 2011.

In 2007, the invite rating invite came with a PAID TRIP to Hawaii.

The 2011 invite just comes with an invitation to play at Worlds - you pay the accomodations.

The calculations and tension were MUCH HIGHER back then, as there was a ton of prize at stake.

Not trying to downplay the Ratings Invite in 2011, but it is NOTHING like 2007.

For the record, we had Juniors knowing EXACTLY how many losses they could take before they had to parachute.

If FS had made that calculation, he would have dropped after one loss, and gotten his invite AND trip.

Vince
 
Box of Fail said:
Do you think you're more likely to win worlds than nats?

If not, skipping nats to go to worlds is an awful idea. If I sat out nats, I'd be sure to have an invite, but US nats is every bit as spectacular an event as worlds. I'd rather win nats than worlds tbh.
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Not if the real plan is going for the goodies at worlds.

If you like the game, go and play out the whole tournament, if you are only worried about profit, drop after 2 wins, or are you actually afraid of the other seniors? was the lack of real competence and young players in your community what got you so high in rankings? if the answer is no, go for it at nationals

In every RPG you have to accumulate as much experience as possible and level up before going against an special boss, expecting to beat it, but if your real goal are the treasures, you can use an escape rope, once in the dungeon.
 
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meganium45 said:
For the record, we had Juniors knowing EXACTLY how many losses they could take before they had to parachute.

If FS had made that calculation, he would have dropped after one loss, and gotten his invite AND trip.

Vince
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You can't know how much other people's records will go up, so it's frankly impossible to know that exactly...
 
Box of Fail said:
You can't know how much other people's records will go up, so it's frankly impossible to know that exactly...
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True but if you can use a play to first loss strategy then you are already out of the danger zone where fractions of a point matter. If you are in the danger zone then you have no choice but to play.

You don't need to have exact numbers to have a strategy.

The 2007 year does not make for good comparisons as there were far too many shenanigans from organisers and players all over the world. The consequence was that the paid trip for a rating invite went away and I doubt it can ever return.
 
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