Box of Fail
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If I wore a coconut bra would that be okay?
If no, would wearing a shirt underneath make it okay?
If no, would wearing a shirt underneath make it okay?
Why are sunglasses illegal
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Will it be covering your face?
Would anyone consider it intimidating or disturbing?
Careful! On some people, it would be!
smacktack15
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Someone asked about hoodies. With so many phones with earbuds (specifically forbidden) out there, the hoodie could be used to hide earbuds. Whether they could facilitate cheating, or cause an opponent to unnecessarily wonder, is enough for all hoodies to be in the down position at our tourneys. Simple, easy, and no complaints from anyone when asked to lower hoodie while told why.
Ch0ncey is Pr0
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Very true, except I think sun glasses would be more intimidating than a hood. Some people wear a hood to keep themselves focused on whats in front of them and not around them. I did this for a long time until it got too hot in some of the tournament locations. I guess you could argue the same thing with sun glasses and the lighting.
hats should be banned (it's an extremely ineducated behaviour to wear a hat inside a building for a male).
Poker => Bilions dolar prizes and people are allowed to use headphones and sunglasses
Magic => 45.000$ prize and people are allowed to use headphones and sunglasses
Pokemon => 7.500$ in scolarship and aren't allowed to use any eletronical device for fear of cheating...
something sounds wrong......
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PokeMedic
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Sounds like Pokemon has some higher standards.
Sabett
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Not archaic, unnecessary, or sexist at all..
AyameHikaru
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Unnecessary maybe, but I'd argue the sexist. The only reason the rule orginally applied to males only was because males tended to wear far more hats that females. It's still considered polite to remove your hat when entering a building regardless of gender.
As for archaic, traditions become archaic because the newer generations can't be bothered to learn the WHYS of social rules, and they consider themselves too important to hold with longstanding traditions. I personally still feel slightly affronted if I see someone with a hat on indoors, and VERY affronted if a hat is on during a national anthem. Taking off the hat is a simple way to show respect. Not taking off the hat is a simple way to show arrogance and/or stupidity, in my book. Much like wearing sunglasses indoors. ^^ (That's assuming you're not wearing them for a medical condition, in b4 those with allergies start raving)
yoyofsho16
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^Most social rules have no whys... they just are obeyed just because someone determined it that way.
toxictaipan
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Would you care to explain the why of this tradition for me?
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It was never answered. It was just discussed. And no I didn't read the thread.
Also, you're ad nauseAm. :tongue:
AyameHikaru
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Ya could have googled it, but I'll spare you the trouble.
"The origins of this tradition happen to be the same as the origins of the tradition of saluting. Knights, wearing helmets that covered their heads, would typically lift their visors to show their faces to their monarchs and others as a sign of friendliness and possibly respect in some cases. The tradition of using ones right hand also comes from this. Most people are right handed and thus, if your right hand is exposed and busy lifting your visor, it can’t contain a weapon. This then is a sign symbolic of submission.
Fast forward a bit in history and this developed into the salute for soldiers. At first, the soldiers would doff their helmets or other head-ware as a sign of respect. However, the Coldstream Guards in 1745 were the first to forbid this: “The men are ordered not to pull off their hats when they pass an officer, or to speak to them, but only to clap up their hands to their hats and bow as they pass them.”
This practice quickly caught on, owing to the fact that the helmet or hat is a part of the uniform and thus it began to be thought of as disrespectful to take it off. It also could be dangerous to take off a helmet in battle with gunfire and other shrapnel about.
Here’s the problem though with all of this; there is no other reason besides “respect” for doing so today. It’s on the fringes of circular reasoning; not quite there, but almost. We are to take our hats off because it is respectful, but it’s respectful because it’s respectful. Hats do not typically cover faces and I don’t know anyone who takes weapons to ball games or other sporting events where the anthem is traditionally played these days.
It has even gone so far as to be a LAW in the United States to take your hat off during the national anthem, but only for those not in the military. This law is under United States penal code Title 36, Chapter 10. There is no penalty listed for failure to comply, but it’s still a law. Specifically: “During a rendition of the national anthem… (B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart…”
Emily Post, in 1922, says “It is not necessary to add that every American male citizen stands with his hat off at the passing of the ‘colors’ and when the national anthem is played. If he didn’t, some other more loyal citizen would take it off for him.”
Bonus Factoids:
* According to “Miss Manners”, the reason behind the difference in rules between men and women in regards to hat etiquette is due to the fact that traditionally, women wore hats that often would be elaborately pinned in to their hair; they also may contain flowers, bows, ribbons, and other decorations that would be difficult to remove and put back in. Thus, if a woman is simply wearing a baseball cap that is easily removed and put back on, they cannot claim the “ladies exemption”.
* Among most Christian churches, it is also typically considered very rude for men to wear their hats in church. Once again, ladies are traditionally exempted from this and indeed, traditionally were required to wear hats in church. For the reason behind this, read the next factoid.
* Much older records of etiquette professionals than Miss Manners provides, state that women must be allowed to keep their hats on because when a woman takes off her hat, her hair and possibly more of her flesh will be exposed. This will cause the men around to think lustful thoughts and thus they will be unable to focus on contemplations of patriotism or in church, unable to fully give their attentions to learning about God. So in this case, baseball caps should still remain on for women, lest they cause all the men around to be distracted.
* Emily Post also notes, men should never tip or lift their hat for people they know, excepting their wife or if they are passing a woman in a narrow space or if the man wants to speak to a woman. If a man runs into a woman he knows and wants to talk to her, he must take the hat all the way off and can only put it back on if she walks away or if the man walks with her somewhere.
* One of the greatest insults a man can give to another man (apparently) is to tip his hat at another man. This is akin to calling the other man a woman…
* At Yankee stadium and now New Yankee Stadium, during the 7th inning stretch, it has been traditional since 2001 to play “God Bless America”. During this time, people are asked to remove their hats out of respect. It should also be noted that one fan was recently (last season), forcibly kicked out of the stadium by the police for going to the bathroom during said song (he later sued and won). It should be noted that “God Bless America” is not the national anthem and is merely a patriotic song.
* At the turn end of the 19th century, hats were pretty much worn by everyone when they went outdoors; this was initially not so much about fashion as it was about practicality. The hats keep the sun off you in the summer and your head warm in the winter. In addition to this, in the cities where, at that time, there was an amazing amount of industrial dirt and grime about, the hats were good for keeping the dirt off your head and out of your hair.
* When one removes a hat, proper hat etiquette defines that the lining should never show; one must always hold the hat in such a way that the outside is all that’s visible.
* Orthodox Jewish men should always wear a “kippah” (which means “dome”) hat as a sign of humility towards God. The only exceptions for the extremely orthodox are to be when they are swimming, bathing, or sleeping. (Note, during the national anthem is not one of those exceptions for orthodox American Jews… )"
@Rokman: I think it's been decided that if there's an underlying medical condition, sunglasses are fine.
Pokepop answered early on. I answered (search my name for posts). Read the thread my friend :lol:
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