Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

why does POP do this?

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ChicoBlanco

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I find it somewhat ridiculous that POP don't clarify things until the day of nats and/or worlds.

it should be clarified Once the card is printed.

for example:
so many players are asking about Downer Material affecting Entei/Raikou Legend, and there's no clear answer except "it's being discussed by POP at the moment"...

WHAT?

that gives players No time to playtest.


another example was last year's Worlds, the POP team announces During the tournament that someone who is "Looker's Investigated" can draw 1 at a time instead of declaring how many they are gonna draw, prior to drawing.

some players, (Yamato included) played Lookers in their deck. Yet they wern't aware of this till the tournament actually started



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It hasn't been an issue until now, when people have started playing Entei & Raikou.

Issues come up all year long,
You just notice the ones that happen around Nats/Worlds.
 
Why does POP do it?
Because what else do you expect them to do? They didn't make the cards. They are just as clueless as you. Only difference is, they have the email address for the people who DID. That's pretty much it.
 
It was pretty hard not to notice the one at worlds bro. People have been Testing ERL since it came out. TPCI makes and tests these cards I thought before they come out. Dont they see these things and take them into account? Isnt that why there is an FAQ at a Prerelease? I know it covers issues like the Onix as far as the Pre goes. But they should already know about these issues and what to errata. You cant tell me they havent had this card in Japan for a while and the issue come up already? You wonder why this site gets such a bad rep. The mod can only contribute that pop isnt responsible for rulings, and the admin acts like we dont see issues when they come up. Since BR's people have been asking about Downer and its effect on Legends. Its been ruled 2 different ways from the first BR to the Last. Cant this be solved with a Phone call to Japan?
 
Can legends be searched with roseannes? If no, then downer material does nothing, if yes, then it does. Seems pretty easy to me. Are two legends a basic? No.
 
Q: When my opponent has Uxie, Mesprit, and an Azelf (MT) with the “Downer Material” Poke-Body in play, what is the Energy cost for Ho-oh LEGEND’s “Bright Wing” attack?
A: It’s 4 units of Fire Energy. The Downer Material Poke-Body has an effect that works on the opponent’s Basic Pokemon. Ho-oh LEGEND has a special rule called the “Legendary Pokemon rule”. Since it’s treated as a Legendary Pokemon and not a Basic Pokemon, the effect of the Downer Material Poke-Body doesn’t hit it.


Courtesy HGSS japanese FAQ translated by Pokebeach
 
mikeg542 said:
Can legends be searched with roseannes? If no, then downer material does nothing, if yes, then it does. Seems pretty easy to me. Are two legends a basic? No.
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Are legends an unevolved pokemon? YES. Is a Basic an unevolved pokemon? YES Not so easy GUY


The Dark Toxicroak said:
Q: When my opponent has Uxie, Mesprit, and an Azelf (MT) with the “Downer Material” Poke-Body in play, what is the Energy cost for Ho-oh LEGEND’s “Bright Wing” attack?
A: It’s 4 units of Fire Energy. The Downer Material Poke-Body has an effect that works on the opponent’s Basic Pokemon. Ho-oh LEGEND has a special rule called the “Legendary Pokemon rule”. Since it’s treated as a Legendary Pokemon and not a Basic Pokemon, the effect of the Downer Material Poke-Body doesn’t hit it.


Courtesy HGSS japanese FAQ translated by Pokebeach
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Once Posted by someone here for an offical announcement this solves my issues. Does it say anything about mewtwo and champ?
 
Q: Can Legendary Pokemon be Knocked Out by Machamp’s (SF) “Take Out” attack?
A: Yes, they can. Legendary Pokemon are considered “Unevolved Pokemon”.

Q: Can a Mewtwo LV.X (LA) with the “Psybarrier” Poke-Body be affected by the damage or effects of a Legendary Pokemon’s attack?
A: No, it can’t. Legendary Pokemon are considered “Unevolved Pokemon”.


This is done by PCL just so everyone knows...... translated courtesy Pokebeach
 
This kills me. Legends are COOL enough that Poor little azelf cant effect them but they arent COOL enough that champ can OHKO them and Mewtwo can't be touched by them. :/
 
evil psyduck said:
POP doesn't make the rulings. They have to get them from Japan so POP doesn't do it.
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very interesting....


PokePop said:
It hasn't been an issue until now, when people have started playing Entei & Raikou.


Issues come up all year long,
You just notice the ones that happen around Nats/Worlds.
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i (and i'm pretty sure many others) have started playing with Entei/Raikou since they first arrived.
and I've asked that question since they first arrived.

but aside from that,
I believe a card should have resolved issues before it's printed. after all, who knows when people start to play a card or not?
(was anyone aware of Nidoqueen being played, till it won 2005 Worlds? or Toxicroak MD?)

point being, a player needs time to playtest with the correct rulings, especially before a big tournament like Nationals or Worlds


Kayle said:
Why does POP do it?
Because what else do you expect them to do? They didn't make the cards. They are just as clueless as you. Only difference is, they have the email address for the people who DID. That's pretty much it.
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i expect them to stop "Slaking"(lol) and email the ones that do, and let us know at about pre-release time when the card is printed (prior to any tournaments possibly involving that card)




PokeMontoya said:
It was pretty hard not to notice the one at worlds bro. People have been Testing ERL since it came out. TPCI makes and tests these cards I thought before they come out. Dont they see these things and take them into account? Isnt that why there is an FAQ at a Prerelease? I know it covers issues like the Onix as far as the Pre goes. But they should already know about these issues and what to errata. You cant tell me they havent had this card in Japan for a while and the issue come up already? You wonder why this site gets such a bad rep. The mod can only contribute that pop isnt responsible for rulings, and the admin acts like we dont see issues when they come up. Since BR's people have been asking about Downer and its effect on Legends. Its been ruled 2 different ways from the first BR to the Last. Cant this be solved with a Phone call to Japan?
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Spot on!


mikeg542 said:
Can legends be searched with roseannes? If no, then downer material does nothing, if yes, then it does. Seems pretty easy to me. Are two legends a basic? No.
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can Claw Fossil be searched with Roseanne's? if no, then Downer Material....... DOES do something (if it has Devoluter attached :lol:)

is Claw Fossil a basic pokemon? once played, yes.
 
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PokeMontoya said:
This kills me. Legends are COOL enough that Poor little azelf cant effect them but they arent COOL enough that champ can OHKO them and Mewtwo can't be touched by them. :/
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Yeah its kind of odd. I am not sure if they planned this far in advance or if it was just some quirk that ended up happening as they were making cards


Hatter™ said:
I was told you can't use Take out on a Legend >.>'
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That sucks. The best you can do is know for yourself and hope your opponent agrees with you when your right. Unfortunately with no POP ruling on these things despite there being a clearly defined answer by PCL you can't much appeal because Pokebeach's FAQ translations aren't a very reputable source.
 
Mewtwo and Machamp state 'unevolved Pokemon', while Downer Material states 'Basic Pokemon'. I would be surprised if it was ruled that Downer Material DOES work on Legends (since they aren't Basic Pokemon).

EDIT: Keep in mind unevolved =/= basic. In some cases, Basic Pokemon can be evolved (baby evolution). In others, Stage 1 and Stage 2 Pokemon can be unevolved (but not basic) via Garchomp Lv. X's Restore attack.
 
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TPCi doesn't make card rulings. Or at least that is my understanding of the relationship with the Japanese card designers (PCL?) Wotc I think did make card rulings and that was a source of conflict between the two companies.

Given that TPCi don't make card rulings, you could perhaps ask why not all Japanese rulings that have been published in Japan are made available by TPCi to the players outside Japan.
 
PokeMontoya said:
Are legends an unevolved pokemon? YES. Is a Basic an unevolved pokemon? YES Not so easy GUY
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Err, still seems pretty intuitive. The word on azelf is clearly 'basic' not 'unevolved'. Since both words are used to mean different things within the game, treat them as such as don't over complicate things.





ChicoBlanco said:
can Claw Fossil be searched with Roseanne's? if no, then Downer Material....... DOES do something (if it has Devoluter attached )

is Claw Fossil a basic pokemon? once played, yes.
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A corner case, nothing more. fossils should be avoided when addressing issues such as these as they have the words "treat these as ...." which probably shouldn't exist anyway.

My whole point is reading comprehension is tech.
 
The Dark Toxicroak said:
That sucks. The best you can do is know for yourself and hope your opponent agrees with you when your right. Unfortunately with no POP ruling on these things despite there being a clearly defined answer by PCL you can't much appeal because Pokebeach's FAQ translations aren't a very reputable source.
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The 'take out' thing shouldn't be an issue with Legends. Whether Legends are basics or unevolved or whatever, Machamp's 'take out' still works to knock them out.
 
Again, I don't really see the confusion here. Almost this entire game is entirely intuitive (having been made for younger kids and all). After playing MTG as long as I have and having those sorts of rules questions pop up, these seem like nothing in comparison.

AKA, I agree with TheGeneral here. There is no way to justify machamps 'take out' not killing a legend.
 
Just for the people who are confused about it
The current game term for a Pokemon in play that is in play directly and not evolved from a previous stage is "Unevolved". Older cards such as Azelf MT (the change in terminology is only a year or so old) use the term "basic".
This was confusing because one of the types of Pokemon cards is "Basic" and yet a Pokemon in play could be evolved even though "Basic" (if evolved from a Baby Pokemon) or a Stage 1 or Stage 2 Pokemon could be in play as a "Basic" due to game effects. Hence the change in terminology.
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