WWE: Thoughts on WM29 and the AMAZING Raw the following night!!!!
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PKM4
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This is an easy way to get him out of the ring and in a suite running the company.
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Well there are plenty of rumors going around. Maybe a heel turn or a new member. I'm excited to see how it plays out.
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And I don't think I've ever been less excited to see a Y2J match. They're basically having one of the best performers in the company job for a nobody with a terrible gimmick in a match that probably won't even make the PPV. Jericho is a Main Event type of performer. I would have really like to see another triple threat IC match with him, Miz, and Barrett. That would at least be interesting...
PKM4
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No one is saying he's going to job to Fandango. I think this match will be very interesting and entertaining. I'm loving the buildup and Curtis is actually pulling off the gimmick to perfection. He's earning a ton of heat and he's even getting the fans behind Jericho even more if that's possible. When Jericho ran down the ramp on Raw and took it to Fandango the crowd was going absolutely nuts.
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You're expecting Jericho to win that match? Really?
PKM4
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I didn't say that. I mean it could go either way but the reason he keeps coming back is put over younger talent. I really commend him for it and he's doing the right thing.
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If it's a 5-10 minute match, it's jobbing.
If it's a match like the Punk/Jericho match from earlier this year, then it's putting over the younger guy.
Considering that this match is probably taking place during the Preshow, I think it'll be closer to a Job than Putting Him Over.
Apparently Vince is not happy that neither Swagger or Del Rio has gotten over with the crowd; Swagger as a heel and Del Rio as a face. Thus, he hates the current story line involving those two, but he realizes it is too late to change it.
Del Rio should show off more of his Lucha Libre style moves to energize the crowd.
Del Rio should show off more of his Lucha Libre style moves to energize the crowd.
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Del Rio's finisher should be that step-up Enzuigiri, and he should basically be a 6-5 version of Ray Mysterio or what Sin Cara is supposed to be. I like him when he's doing Lucha Libre, and I like him when he's being that sunova what that wears down the arm for the arm bar. I hate him being a "5 Moves of Doom" guy. And Swagger is just terrible in every possible way. He's not a good wrestler, he's using a style that is clearly not his own, and his gimmick is probably the most embarrassing thing that the WWE has ever done. I can't wait for him to go away and for ADR to start up that rivalry with Big Show again. That was a FUN rivalry, much as I dislike Show.
PKM4
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I think it's a safe bet he'll be putting Fandango over. As for match time I have no idea. It all depends on how much time they're going to give to Cena/Rock, Punk/Indertaker/, and HHH/Lesnar. There's also no way it will be on the preshow.
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Actually I think both have gotten over fairly well. I'm actually surprised how easy it was to turn ADR face and the fans went with it. But I do agree with you in that he should definitely use the Lucha Libre style. I think fans would eat it up. As for the storyline, I think to make it super interesting I would Ziggy cash in over the winner.
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Swagger is actually very good in the ring and most of the matches he's had since his return have been stellar agaisnt the top guys. I like his new gimmick and entrance song as well. As for the rivalry with the Bigshow, it was terrible. Probably one of the worst feuds of the year so far IMO. I'm looking at an ADR/Ziggler feud after WM which should be far more entertaining.
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With all of the matches already planned for WM, I just can't see room for the Jericho/Fandango match to actually make the PPV. Here's what you've got that absolutely has to be on the PPV...
Cena/Rock
HHH/Lesnar
ADR/Swag
Faces/Shield
Hell No / Ziggy
Ryback/Henry
These two are potential Preshow matches
Barrett/Miz (maybe)
Funk/Scholars
I'd rather see Barrett/Miz make the PPV than Jericho/Fandango. And Cesaro still needs to be booked for the event, which will definitely be on the Preshow.
As far as Show/ADR, I just enjoy watching angry Show, and the duck tape was inspired. The rest of it was largely forgettable.
Swagger's entrance music is the best part about him. He looks stiffer than Randy Orton in the ring, he's using a style that he clearly doesn't like or is suited for, and his gimmick is the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen the WWE do. I don't remember any of his matches, not one, they were that forgettable. Plus I seriously don't understand what the heck he's doing on the stage when he walks down to the ring. I will be quite glad when he loses and the gimmick is retired.
Cena/Rock
HHH/Lesnar
ADR/Swag
Faces/Shield
Hell No / Ziggy
Ryback/Henry
These two are potential Preshow matches
Barrett/Miz (maybe)
Funk/Scholars
I'd rather see Barrett/Miz make the PPV than Jericho/Fandango. And Cesaro still needs to be booked for the event, which will definitely be on the Preshow.
As far as Show/ADR, I just enjoy watching angry Show, and the duck tape was inspired. The rest of it was largely forgettable.
Swagger's entrance music is the best part about him. He looks stiffer than Randy Orton in the ring, he's using a style that he clearly doesn't like or is suited for, and his gimmick is the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen the WWE do. I don't remember any of his matches, not one, they were that forgettable. Plus I seriously don't understand what the heck he's doing on the stage when he walks down to the ring. I will be quite glad when he loses and the gimmick is retired.
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I'm real surprize that Kaitlin is not defending her title to anyone... esp to one of the bellas.
PKM4
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Remember the show is 3 hours
Cena/Rock 20+
HHH/Lesnar 20+
ADR/Swag 10 -15
Faces/Shield 15+
Hell No / Ziggy 10 - 15
Ryback/Henry 10-
Jericho/Fandago 10+
Barrett/Miz 10-
Everything else will be preshow.
I still don't see your reasoning for Swagger. The guy is legit, the gimmick is good (bringing heat just from your comments), and it just fits.
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Look for AJ to challenge for the title if they have time on the show. The Bella's are feuding with the ****adactyl's so they're tied up at the moment.
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My reasoning for Swagger is the same as my reasoning for my indifference towards 3MB when they were getting their push: he's boring, he's embarrassing, he's a bad copycat, and he should be gone in 3 months.
And we both managed to forget about the Taker/Punk match, which, as long as Calloway is at least in SOME sort of wrestling condition, will go 15+ minutes. Where does that fit into the show?
Also, there's always a 3-5 minute vignette between each match. Gives them time to reset the ring and get the guys gone.
And there's still gonna be a Divas Championship match, which has to fit in somewhere. Plus Cesaro. Jericho/Fandango should NOT be in the PPV. Not over the Barrett match, at the very least.
And we both managed to forget about the Taker/Punk match, which, as long as Calloway is at least in SOME sort of wrestling condition, will go 15+ minutes. Where does that fit into the show?
Also, there's always a 3-5 minute vignette between each match. Gives them time to reset the ring and get the guys gone.
And there's still gonna be a Divas Championship match, which has to fit in somewhere. Plus Cesaro. Jericho/Fandango should NOT be in the PPV. Not over the Barrett match, at the very least.
PKM4
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As long as Swagger is getting good heat, he's going to be around. The Diva's Championship match might get cut and the'll just be in the corner for the Tag Team Title match. Cesaro will be preshow but I would be absolutely shocked if Y2J isn't on the PPV.
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A good heel is supposed to make you want to watch them so that you can find new ways to hate them. HHH was a spectacular heel. Punk might be the best heel in the last decade and a half. ADR was a very, very good heel. So was the Miz, botchey mic work aside (and, IMO, his personality/character is still more heel-ish than face-ish).
Swagger is boring and unwatchable. When he hits the screen, my first reaction is to find the remote control. Richard Castle is far more interesting than Jack Swagger, even though I've seen all of the episodes. Twice. He's not getting good heat, just like ADR isn't getting good pops. Just look a few posts above yours; Vinny Mac is upset that the angle isn't getting over. Personally, I'm hoping that ADR turns heel again. He was far more interesting as a heel than a face.
Swagger is boring and unwatchable. When he hits the screen, my first reaction is to find the remote control. Richard Castle is far more interesting than Jack Swagger, even though I've seen all of the episodes. Twice. He's not getting good heat, just like ADR isn't getting good pops. Just look a few posts above yours; Vinny Mac is upset that the angle isn't getting over. Personally, I'm hoping that ADR turns heel again. He was far more interesting as a heel than a face.
PKM4
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This is true but HHH is done and gone. ADR was a terrible heel. The gimmick that he had and has does not fit him. He's also bad on the mic. I'm not enjoying him as a face cause he's not believable as a face. Miz was a much better heel agreed but the figure four leg lock is a horrible move for him.
Swagger is not boring. In the ring he's really good. Just check out his last two matches with Chris Jericho. Not sure who Richard Castle is or why he's in the conversation. I have no idea what you're talking about but Swagger is getting a ton of heat. ADR is the one that's not getting over as a face as much as Vince wants.
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My point on Swagger is that I'd rather watch scripted re-runs that I've seen before than consume any amount of Jack Swagger.
BTW, Richard Castle. Watch it.
BTW, Richard Castle. Watch it.