Xerneas EX, Yveltal EX, Venusaur EX, Blastoise EX

[Swordfish1989]

I don't really have a problem with continuing the ex mechanic. I think a lot of the woes regarding exs come from the fact that right now they are extremely overpowered. Dark Patch aside, those 4 exs don't exactly look like they break the bank in the power scale.

 

[Pokepower22]

My elation of a nerfed Catcher has been doused with the reality of EX's for at least another couple of years.

(I don't know how much more powerful an EX can get by Mega evolving....G-Booster is kind of an indicator of this.....but what if Mega evolving brought the EX down to 1 prize value? That would be interesting....effect of Life Dew + another attack.)

Really like this idea, if it happened. Would add a nice new dynamic as well.

 

[rileysill32]

I just want there to be a Blissey EX all I want.

I don't really have a problem with continuing the ex mechanic. I think a lot of the woes regarding exs come from the fact that right now they are extremely overpowered. Dark Patch aside, those 4 exs don't exactly look like they break the bank in the power scale.

I think Yvetal EX is a very powerful card.
He is hitting for 80 with a dark claw before you even count into terms the energy attached to the opposing active.

 

[TRAINER HEZ]

Wow... most disappointing Pokemon news all year.
I really thought they'd have a bit of imagination and try something different for a new generation.
Nope, back to Big Basics for another few years... guess I'm still not getting back into buying Pokemon TCG :/

 

[vaporeon]

It seems Darkrai EX is not going anywhere. Its going to be harder to beat with Yveltal EX powering it up as well.

 

[rileysill32]

Guys don't be so fast to pass judgement on the competitive scene's future so quickly. Catcher now only works 50% of the time. And big basics don't get a T1 attack anymore.
The game is going to be a lot different. So before we all go assuming things, let's buckle up and enjoy the ride. Nobody truly knows what the next format is going to look like with the rule change. We have only seen a few cards from the X&Y generation.

That's like looking out into the universe, and seeing 4 galaxies and assuming you know how the rest of existence is going to work for the next 50,000 years. We know nothing. Be happy the game is still alive and thriving! A lot of people around the world don't even have the luxury to enjoy games period.

 

[dark andy]

Guys don't be so fast to pass judgement on the competitive scene's future so quickly. Catcher now only works 50% of the time. And big basics don't get a T1 attack anymore.
The game is going to be a lot different. So before we all go assuming things, let's buckle up and enjoy the ride. Nobody truly knows what the next format is going to look like with the rule change. We have only seen a few cards from the X&Y generation.

That's like looking out into the universe, and seeing 4 galaxies and assuming you know how the rest of existence is going to work for the next 50,000 years. We know nothing. Be happy the game is still alive and thriving! A lot of people around the world don't even have the luxury to enjoy games period.

Ya, I agree with u guy. And one consideration to say: Yvetal ex is more powerfull than mewtwo ex. U first attack is 60 in T1 (80 with dark claw), mewtwo is 40. Now I understand a new rule, that first turn nobody attack. Yvetal ex have fighting resistance, in other words, Yvetal is perfect for darkrai's deck.

 

[rileysill32]

Ya, I agree with u guy. And one consideration to say: Yvetal ex is more powerfull than mewtwo ex. U first attack is 60 in T1 (80 with dark claw), mewtwo is 40. Now I understand a new rule, that first turn nobody attack. Yvetal ex have fighting resistance, in other words, Yvetal is perfect for darkrai's deck.

Yeah, with the new rule changes, nobody truly knows what is going to be good or not. The only thing we can do now, is base the future cards we see, off of our current format and speculation of the future.

 

[TheRolesWePlay]

Wow talk about freakout, I personally don't have much of a problem with it as that doesn't mean that we won't still see some major changes

Also disappointed in the move sets of these cards.

New cards in each gen tend to follow that, and and personally if EXs started to go towards bulky big attack, big energy cost beasts I don't think that'd be so bad.

Wow... most disappointing Pokemon news all year.
I really thought they'd have a bit of imagination and try something different for a new generation.
Nope, back to Big Basics for another few years... guess I'm still not getting back into buying Pokemon TCG :/

I think it's a little early to say for sure yet. EXs (as well as a number of other mechanics) were introduced in the middle of BW, and they may have some other mechanic planned later, and we have yet to see how they'll implement Mega-Evos.

In anycase I'm not terribly surprised to see EXs continue after Excadrill and Chandy, especially given the breaking of precedent BW did in general (what with many new mechanics introduced periodically) and I'm eager to see what else is going to be revealed.

Also in regards to Yveltal EX, I don't think that first attack is too broken, it does require a Dark energy in order to attack as opposed to Mewtwo's DCE cost, plus depending on how much support Fairy gets it'll have resistance to deal with, similarly to Mewtwo.

 

[Poke Trainer J]

I think it's a little early to say for sure yet. EXs (as well as a number of other mechanics) were introduced in the middle of BW, and they may have some other mechanic planned later, and we have yet to see how they'll implement Mega-Evos.

I assume Mega-Evos will be played like Lv. X's were in Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, it's that instead of evolving a Pokemon normally into a Stage 1 or Stage 2 that normally evolve in the video games, you end up taking an evolved Pokemon as a Basic and placing the Mega-Evo card on top of it like you would with a Lv. X card.

It could also require a Pokemon Tool attachment to your Active Pokemon to search your deck for the Mega Evolution of your Active Pokemon when the Pokemon Tool comes into play (as long as the Active and the card your searching for is the same Pokemon species) to instantly mega evolve it but the Pokemon Tool might be limited to 1 per deck like with the ACE Spec cards.

If that happens to be the case then Tool Scrapper will have more importance in the current format aside from countering against Trubbish Toolbox or any variant of Garbodor.

In anycase I'm not terribly surprised to see EXs continue after Excadrill and Chandy, especially given the breaking of precedent BW did in general (what with many new mechanics introduced periodically) and I'm eager to see what else is going to be revealed.

I don't see any reason why evolved Pokemon like Excadrill and Chandelure needed to get printed as Basics instead of getting printed as Stage 1 / Stage 2 Pokemon and the same thing just happened with Venusaur and Blastoise in XY Base Set. Sure we had evolved Pokemon as Basics when the Platinum series was legal with Luxray GL, Infernape E4, and Garchomp C but those were named after what class of Pokemon Trainers those Pokemon were under such as a Gym Leader, Elite Four, or Regional Champion being Cynthia at the time with Gen IV.

My guess as to why people think evolved Pokemon as Basics is better than having to setup Stage 1/Stage 2 Pokemon is due to a means of having to keep up with the speed of the format instead of trying to slow it down by evolving a Basic into a Stage 1 and into a Stage 2 or by playing Rare Candy by evolving a Basic into a Stage 2. To me that's not how Pokemon TCG should be played especially in a format where Big Basic EX's are too overpowered compared to Stage 1/Stage 2's being too underpowered as of late. What's the problem with going back to the days of Diamond/Pearl where Basics weren't as dominant of a force and Stage 1/Stage 2 evolutions actually stood a fighting chance?

Right now you only have a handful of Stage 1/Stage 2 decks that are competitive but for those decks to compete well enough at Battle Roads, Cities, States, Regionals, and other sanctioned events you need 2-3 Tropical Beach in order to win otherwise you'll lose. Most decks in the current format that are able to win without Tropical Beach mostly run Big Basic EX's with hardly any Stage 1/Stage 2 evolutions in those decklists at all. With the new 1st turn rules for XY since you can't setup with Call for Family 1st turn you could end up gaining a huge advantage against your Opponent by using Skyla to get Tropical Beach and playing it based on what you have in your starting hand.

 

[HoLoN_TrAiNeR]

Remember when evolutions ruled the metagame?

Pepperidge farm remembers

 

[TRAINER HEZ]

Remember when evolutions ruled the metagame?

Pepperidge farm remembers

Remember when a diverse selection of Pokemon stages and deck styles were viable?
Hez remembers

R.I.P. Deoxys-Power Keepers... if only they could do that again, then they would have my money.
Lati twins, Flaridos/Absolution, Metamite... just a few of the top decks, not to mention the countless viable rogues (go go Cacturne/Weezing! )

 

[signofzeta]

Magic Wand, make my basics GROW

ROOAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!

 

[Regis_Neo]

Ugh, we're still going to be in Giant Basic EX syndrome...sorry but I think I'm tapping out of the TCG unless some more balancing comes along.

 

[Phadrex]

Xerneas is disappointing. First Fairy legend and it's very underwhelming.

Glad I held on to all these Darkrai and Sableye. This deck just never dies, does it?

 

[rileysill32]

Ugh, we're still going to be in Giant Basic EX syndrome...sorry but I think I'm tapping out of the TCG unless some more balancing comes along.

They implemented rule changes.. In my previous comment. You don't know anything and you are assuming entirely too much. Don't be a fool.
These cards won't be released until we are in an entirely different format. Same EX stamps on cards, new game mechanics.

 

[signofzeta]

In MTG, little kids just love those big power and toughness creatures.

I guess to cater to the little kids, more big basics are in order haha.

 

[carlossan]

I guess I chose the wrong time to come back? Jesus christ. This is just horrible. I really REALLY hope they have something else in the bag... or they won't have my money either.

 

[vaporeon]

I'm thinking of going to Yugioh full time. TPC really needs to think about whats good for their game. At this rate, with the game becoming more luck based and larger prizes on the line, I'd much rather take my 20 bucks and play at a Yugioh event when I have more control over my deck and options to prevent opponents attacks and side out against bad matchups.

I dont like this new inconsistent best of 3 system they have going on. Perhaps printing a Vaporeon EX and Pidgeot EX will keep me around for 2 more years.

*Take the hint TPC*

 

[rileysill32]

You people are nuts. The radicalism in this thread is absurd. Quitting the game and you don't even know how the card game is going to play out in the future.