I had played yugioh for about 6 months, relying on budget decks such as toolbox, chain burn, and big city to survive. Although i did well in locals, it seemed like i would max out at 6-2 regionals, followed by a missed top cut. I quit as soon as i saw the banlist that did nothing to hinder gladiator beasts, which were winning Everything. Pokemon is much better in my opinion. Our yugioh community was riddled with thieves. If you didn't nail down everything you owned at a regional, it would get stolen.
Yugioh in a Hole?
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XYZ_Sniper
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^ may i remind you. How many Glad Beasts have won a Jump after Tusla?
<3's to yugioh. I just enjoy the game play more then pokemon, but the atmosphere isn't as great
<3's to yugioh. I just enjoy the game play more then pokemon, but the atmosphere isn't as great
yoyofsho16
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As much as I hate Yugioh, I don't want bad things to happen to them. My heart breaks a little when cheating, stealing Yugioh players cross over to MY game and bring in bad SotG... If Yugioh shut down, even MORE would cross over!
XYZ_Sniper
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^ apparently u haven't seen the bad sides of pokemon either
I don't know if this is allowed, but its informational.
http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=655808
This is a link to Pojo. I thank Jae Kim for this information about what the UDE/Konami lawsuit is about.
*BTW Konami's side*
I don't know if this is allowed, but its informational.
http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=655808
This is a link to Pojo. I thank Jae Kim for this information about what the UDE/Konami lawsuit is about.
*BTW Konami's side*
Viva piñata
Active Member
man that dreadmaster was a very convincing real card lol i still cant beleive ude stooped so low lol hope they dont give out fake boxes and gold sarcs for ude day lol that would stink
Wait, what?
Enforcing a Standard (Modified/Rotated/whatever) tournament format is worse than making (arguably) the most powerful card in the format (Dark Armed Dragon) rare enough that it goes for well over $100? $100 will get you a tournament worthy Modified deck, and that's the cost of one card alone for said Yugioh deck. Realistically, you're going to need to pair up that DAD with 3x Allure of Darkness, which are also $30+ each, so at this point you're looking at $200 for 1/10th of the deck.
$200 could buy you the cards for just about any deck in the current Pokemon format. The only one that would strain that $200 would be AMU (getting all four Lv. X required for the deck, plus TSDs and numerous rares...).
So how is Pokemon's lack of Unlimited tournament support any worse than the mindboggling rarity scheme STILL hampering Yugioh?
(edit: that's also ignoring the $250 Crush Card Virus, which is also a huge card in Yugioh right now - if you add that on, for the price of 5 cards out of your DAD deck, you're probably gonna be able to make an all-foil AMU deck)
(edit edit: or is it even worse than banning hundreds of dollars' worth of cards every six months because the format is so unhealthy without the heavy banning? remember when Card Trooper was $200 and you needed 3 of those in any tournament worthy deck? then they limited it to 1 copy, rendering the card totally useless and literally killing its value? SO AWESOME)
Regis_Neo
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@ above guy: Well, no one said YGO was cheap...but hey, MTG also costs a heck of a lot of money to stay competitive, and they also rotate sets just like Pokemon. At least with YGO, once you've made that big purchase, those cards are going to be playable for the forseeable future, barring of course their placement on the ban/restricted list; I mean come on, if no one saw down the road that Card Trooper were going to be restricted down the road next format, any smart person holding 3 would have sold 2 before the list was announced, while 3 of them were needed (thus still making some money back). Though I admit, them restricting Cyber Dragon struck me as a bit random, since Cyber Dragon useage was already down before it was made so...and of course, in theory, every card not on any ban/restricted list is playable always, as YGO does not rotate sets.
Back on topic: http://pojo.com/yu-gi-oh/News/2009/UDE-1-27.shtml
Looks like the courts aren't exactly liking Konami much. Personally, I've never liked UDE much, and while I don't necessarily blame Konami for wanting to take over/back their own franchise so they can distribute it and such, they are going about it the wrong way; the negative attention this is bringing them isn't helping their cause among the players, and they really are appearing kinda greedy and such. And of course, barring any court decision, UDE will stand to lose the YGO license this year anyways, so would it kill Konami to wait a year, then not renew their license instead of trying to beat them down in court a year earlier for it?
Back on topic: http://pojo.com/yu-gi-oh/News/2009/UDE-1-27.shtml
Looks like the courts aren't exactly liking Konami much. Personally, I've never liked UDE much, and while I don't necessarily blame Konami for wanting to take over/back their own franchise so they can distribute it and such, they are going about it the wrong way; the negative attention this is bringing them isn't helping their cause among the players, and they really are appearing kinda greedy and such. And of course, barring any court decision, UDE will stand to lose the YGO license this year anyways, so would it kill Konami to wait a year, then not renew their license instead of trying to beat them down in court a year earlier for it?
XYZ_Sniper
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Someone confirmed that the Gold Sarc are legit.
Tagrineth: So apparently "troop dupe scoop" is good even when it did not win a U.S nats, Canada nats, or Europe nats?
Regis_Neos:
aww i wanted Konami to take over. Possible PTQ'sViva piñata
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uh sir dads are 200 a peice so that makes it even worse lol
and dont forget the d draw and malicious are still at least 100 dollar per play set lol
and ya yugioh reprints to much i mean it is good for the game but now i see that necroface ,one of the top most wanted cards is going to be a super in a se pack for crimson lol that hurts alot of people who spent up to 300 for it.
anyways is konami gonna lets us use ocg cards:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
most likley no lol
Hikari_Netto
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If UDE did really provide Vintage with those counterfeits, Konami has plenty of reason to take the game back now.
My point is, for the cost of two cards out of the most competitive Yugioh deck you can buy yourself a Modified format Pokemon deck that's good for 1-2 years.
And what happens if they release a card that absolutely hoses DAD without having to have a crap deck built around it and that's the new "in" deck? And what if that deck now costs another $500+ to build? This does happen in Yugioh. Especially funny when that $200 card gets limited..
So yeah, TPC not supporting Unlimited is definitely making it worse off for tournament play than Yugioh.
XYZ_Sniper said:
Totally missed my point, but OK.
Because I'd rather play Unlimited since I actually have the cards for it. I'd rather not spend "yes with a dollar sign" amount for any card game. That's why I also find myself playing Extended format for MTG. The cards are cheaper and there's a bigger variety.
In other words, Wizards actually breathes life into their older cards, whether it be having the Extended/Vintage/Legacy formats (which people actually use) or by reprinting some of their older cards in the Duel Deck sets that have been coming out.
Pokemon TCG Unlimited support? well... all I see is dust...
Now obviously, I don't spend a lot on Yu-Gi-Oh either. I see some cards I like to use. If anything, I bought myself 3 Starter Kits 2008, a Dark Legends pack, and got a few cards from my friends, and I made a deck that can stop my friend's Lightsworn deck
Royal Decree
Mill decks in Yu-Gi-Oh are pathetic anyways. Anyone who makes one will get a real life Falcon Punch...
...yes, I will douse my hand in gasoline, set it on fire, then punch that person...
ApachePrime
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Yeah, but if there are no more cards being produced... The store will have no reason to have league after all of the product is bought.
pinkertonfan
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Try 130 plus its going to be in GS2.
Konami is doing the pre-releases now.
Lol don't hate on us cause we pwn.Also SOTG is for scrubs.
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TheDoctor
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If they take overload off the restricted along with Cyber Dragon ad Future Fusion I'd come back, but for now seem like I'll never come back.
I went to the pre-release for Stormfront, they were having a Yugioh tourney there, once it ended I beat everybody there with my old Chimeratech deck, with the exception with having 1 extra Cyber Dragon above the restriction limit.
Or if we get better people with better atitudes who won't steal your cards while you are not watching.
For example: I was playing in a sanctioned tourney and I had a banned deck (BLS CED MOT DMOC Yata ETC)next to me, a guy comes along and started asking questions, I told him I needed to finish my game.
I didn't know he got mad at this, then he stole my deck, I know it was banned, but I had a lot of memories in that deck, long story about that. So if people stop stealing my cards and other people's cards (They also stole 2 GBA's both on different occasions).
I liked this game, I did spend a good amount of money, because I enjoyed it, until I found out that there was a Pokemon league that just started in my area.
Then i found out the hard truth about Yugioh, who ever *usually* has more money to invest in the game wins, at least this isn't true in Pokemon.
I went to the pre-release for Stormfront, they were having a Yugioh tourney there, once it ended I beat everybody there with my old Chimeratech deck, with the exception with having 1 extra Cyber Dragon above the restriction limit.
Or if we get better people with better atitudes who won't steal your cards while you are not watching.
For example: I was playing in a sanctioned tourney and I had a banned deck (BLS CED MOT DMOC Yata ETC)next to me, a guy comes along and started asking questions, I told him I needed to finish my game.
I didn't know he got mad at this, then he stole my deck, I know it was banned, but I had a lot of memories in that deck, long story about that. So if people stop stealing my cards and other people's cards (They also stole 2 GBA's both on different occasions).
I liked this game, I did spend a good amount of money, because I enjoyed it, until I found out that there was a Pokemon league that just started in my area.
Then i found out the hard truth about Yugioh, who ever *usually* has more money to invest in the game wins, at least this isn't true in Pokemon.
Snuggles_The_Pirate
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SOTG is one of the best things ive ever heard of!
You're NUTS!
Not trying to put the usual stereotype on yugioh players....but thats the typical yugioh player post.
"WE PWNZ U ND U'Z IZ A SCRUB"
There are obviously exceptions to this.....
Regis_Neo
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Well, my overall point is that those cards are still perfectly useable in their format for...well, ever. Regardless of them becoming dated or anything, my point is that they're still playable.
And while I don't recall mentioning supporting Unlimited (which I don't care for) at the very least it'd be nice if TPC supported something akin to Japan's format, where we at least get to use sets longer than 2 years max.
Why do I get the feeling that pinkertonfan is this guy...
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=47997
If so, I pity you beyond belief.
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=47997
If so, I pity you beyond belief.
Why are you bringing MTG into this? MTG has like 10 different tournament formats, including multiple that go all the way back to A/B/U if you're so inclined. It's basically the "golden example", but that doesn't mean every single CCG out there has to follow it.
And yeah, you're kinda right but so am I at the same time. I mean, what pinkerton pointed out above is yet another example, with Dark Armed Dragon getting reprinted in an easier to obtain form soon (good thing, lowers the cost of entry - but also bad thing, because everyone that spent $100+ getting the card previously gets shafted). This is easily comparable to a Pokemon card rotating out of the standard format.
But, what good is Decree if the only trap card people run is Decree? People DO run trap cards that actually do stuff. Solemn Judgment, for example.
What do mill decks have to do with Card Trooper? It discards the top cards of your own deck, not your opponent's...
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