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Topic: 10 and under got shafted at SBZ
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Gym Leader Blaine
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posted February 17, 2003 01:17 PM
For us in Salt Lake City the biggest problem was not that age-swiss, but was making sure everyone had modifed decks. About 10 of our 24 players had to get there decks fixed, which took about a hour for the professors to do. One guy even came with a old rain dance deck, that we had to total re-work.
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darkmt_mike presents the speaker with question 83 from gym_leader_blaine:DMTM who would win in the battle in Gengar VS Jango Fett?
darkmt_mike says, "Hmm. think Gengar uses the Force so I would bet on him."
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Johnny Blaze
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posted February 17, 2003 02:54 PM
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For us in Salt Lake City the biggest problem was not that age-swiss, but was making sure everyone had modifed decks. About 10 of our 24 players had to get there decks fixed, which took about a hour for the professors to do. One guy even came with a old rain dance deck, that we had to total re-work.
Im really glad to hear that one. ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif) Actually Im surprised that did not happen more often. GLB - Was it because the tourney venue advertised as Unlimited and then it was changed. Or was it that they were new players?
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Gym Leader Blaine
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posted February 17, 2003 03:46 PM
Im not sure which one was the factor for the unlimied decks, but the most important thing was the decks were fixed, and everyone who wanted to play (who showed up on time) was able to play in the SBZ.
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darkmt_mike presents the speaker with question 83 from gym_leader_blaine:DMTM who would win in the battle in Gengar VS Jango Fett?
darkmt_mike says, "Hmm. think Gengar uses the Force so I would bet on him."
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SteveP
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posted February 17, 2003 03:57 PM
Knowing GLB, I know he did a great job of advertising. So, modified or not, I'd assume some new players had no clue what modified meant. No amount of advertising would've prevented those players from coming with non-modified decks.
In our area, we anticipated some would not know how to make a decent modified deck. For all my local players, I held a deck check on Friday night and helped them prepared decent, competitive modified decks.
GLB, I was glad to hear that you anticipated the non-modified decks and were prepared to deal with it, rather that turn players away. We've had that same issue at ALL our Challenges and Qualifiers, so we anticipated it. Only 1 of our 25 players came unprepared, but he only needed to remove 2 cards (and he was 15+).
Back to the original topic:
While it's nice to recognize younger players, I find that very few 10-under players are competitive. Those that are can usually hold their own against the 11-14 players. 15+ is a different story. So, it would've been nice to recognize the 10-under group, but I'm not sure it would've been proper to recognize more than one or two of them. JMO.
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Gym Leader Blaine
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posted February 17, 2003 04:08 PM
My whole thought about the tournament is this is the first SBZ ever. It is true that the Challenge tournaments have different tournaments for the age group, but I think WOTC was thinking this would be a little bit smaller of a tournament and not need the split up in groups. It is true to see some of the younger players go up against some of the older players, but I have also seen some younger players take out bigger players in tournaments. In our area we only got 2 players that were 10 and under.
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"One day I will be the most powerful Jedi ever!" - Anakin Skywalker
darkmt_mike presents the speaker with question 83 from gym_leader_blaine:DMTM who would win in the battle in Gengar VS Jango Fett?
darkmt_mike says, "Hmm. think Gengar uses the Force so I would bet on him."
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IPGeek21
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posted February 17, 2003 05:41 PM
Uh,
Ok.
Maybe the 1st.
Hopfully NOT the last.
BUT Which AGE division to cut?
So SPACE won't be a factor.
WHICH division may get shafted next time?
IT won't be the 10 and under because we must take care to NOT hurt their feelings.
NOT the 11-14 because they are still within the TPC's target consumers.
IT is only obvious.
Like it was said before, we GET PRIZE SUPPORT of an event and it still not enough to satisfy all of us.
WHAT was enough?
One in the LA area.
My 15+ friends who OUTNUMBERED the 10 and under almost 3:1 GOT TO PLAY and felt happy with WotC.
*WOW about the resistance, WOW, I never thought about that... it was created to provide some equality BUT for a competitive 14- and under player it could be a hindrance. WOW. Now did the mathematicians in DCI factor this in???*
-still in shock-
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mysterioustrainer
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posted February 17, 2003 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by SteveP:
Knowing GLB, I know he did a great job of advertising. So, modified or not, I'd assume some new players had no clue what modified meant. No amount of advertising would've prevented those players from coming with non-modified decks.
In our area, we anticipated some would not know how to make a decent modified deck. For all my local players, I held a deck check on Friday night and helped them prepared decent, competitive modified decks.
GLB, I was glad to hear that you anticipated the non-modified decks and were prepared to deal with it, rather that turn players away. We've had that same issue at ALL our Challenges and Qualifiers, so we anticipated it. Only 1 of our 25 players came unprepared, but he only needed to remove 2 cards (and he was 15+).
Back to the original topic:
While it's nice to recognize younger players, I find that very few 10-under players are competitive. Those that are can usually hold their own against the 11-14 players. 15+ is a different story. So, it would've been nice to recognize the 10-under group, but I'm not sure it would've been proper to recognize more than one or two of them. JMO.
And you were right Steve cause there was at least one deck that was not Modified.
If another SBZ is planned for the future, not only will advertising will need more dedication, but also working with players to insure they know about Modified, at my league I am the only player who ever uses Modified (Neo-on) decks.
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Tatermon
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posted February 17, 2003 10:42 PM
In Boise, I judged the SBZ yesterday. We had two 15+, half of the attendance 14-, and half 10-. After 6 rounds of Swiss, none of the 10- made to top 8. None of the 10- got a single booster pack. I felt bad for the 10- age group who eyed the trophies but never could win them. I ended up given two additional oversized box toppers to the 10- runner-ups of the sportmanship award and more promos to the one didn't make to top 8.
How is about an improvement of giving distintive "cool" promos to the 10- age group that makes the 14- and 15+ want to trade for?
All in all they had a great time though.
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bulbasnore
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posted February 18, 2003 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by Gym Leader Blaine:
About 10 of our 24 players had to get there decks fixed, which took about a hour for the professors to do. One guy even came with a old rain dance deck, that we had to total re-work.
Well, you folks are amazing. I mean, what a great effort to see that things got done right. Congratulations, you did a lot for the game. You upheld the integrity of the event, taught players a new format the hard way and went the extra mile of fixing rather than DQ. I could see good reasons just to press on and start on time, but if this worked for your players...WOW!
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bulbasnore
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posted February 18, 2003 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by IPGeek21:
BUT Which AGE division to cut?
So SPACE won't be a factor.
The COMBINED event was awesome IMNSHO. Next time Mrs. Bulbasnore and the 10 yo will turn out, too! Since the last STS I've been bummed that all 5 'snores can't compete in the same venue. SBZ makes it possible. There are LOTS of practical reasons why 5for1 is good me.
Next time?
-More space (seriously, check out World of Games, they have a warehouse almost). It's down in Torrance & 1/2 between the Valley & OC.
-More talk on the boards about sportsmanship, esp. skills for the profs. about how they can amp it up to peers & TOs. I'm so (sheltered and) spoiled by the likes of Josh and Andrés in person, who were world-class 15+ players that don't rip kids. The leagues I've attended had playing Poképarents, and every non-premiere tourney I've been at was TO'd by former JH Teachers (I-M-1-2). I'm afraid that professional TOs or store employees moonlighting as TOs don't have the 'teacher ears' that others do, nor do they consider it important. Those Poképarents and VOLUNTEER TOs make a BIG difference.
Y'know, for those that are CONCERNED, consider that big competitions can bring out big emotions. My son showed his mettle when his sister FTKO'd him in the semifinal after a perfect record and two games away from that box... There were other good sports at our SBZ. Other kids just lost it after a poor showing or made excuses. Little Noah, age 8 and winner of the SBZ Sportsmanship in LV only won one, but he ate up the whole scene and seemed to learn alot about building/playing better (and no one trashed him there). This is a little snapshot of life; sheltering shouldn't be our first choice -- let us have try at being better prepared & involved.
I dream that the profs & master profs can make a difference, but splitting the ages back up is not the answer I want to see tried first. Overall, things went well...let's see if next time we can't do better as WOTC did after the Queen Mary...
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ScythKing
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posted February 18, 2003 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by bulbasnore:
My son showed his mettle when his sister FTKO'd him in the semifinal after a perfect record and two games away from that box...
OMG - that had to hurt! ![[Eek!]](../tcg/eek.gif)
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Dark and Vile
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posted February 19, 2003 05:21 AM
Does the fact that a large number of players showed up with Unlimited decks mean that these were players who USED to play but had dropped out (i.e., returned to the game for SBZ)?
If so, that's really great. I hope that they left having a better understanding of the new game mechanics and motivated to build modified decks and return to playing.
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Crobat1
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posted February 19, 2003 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by Dark and Vile:
Does the fact that a large number of players showed up with Unlimited decks mean that these were players who USED to play but had dropped out (i.e., returned to the game for SBZ)?
If so, that's really great. I hope that they left having a better understanding of the new game mechanics and motivated to build modified decks and return to playing.
In my experience, players who are new to the tournament scene (especially if they are not frequent Pokemon Club goers) are likely to play unlimited. They simply do not know the tournament scene. They often have the cards to build modified decks--just need the guidance.
I am appreciative of those who took the time to help these players.
I know, however, that there were also a few who were returning after a long hiatus.
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posted February 19, 2003 07:47 AM
At the Lexington SBZ, we had about 5 10-, 4 11-14, and 4 15+. The 10- did very well. A 10 year old even won second in the tourney. The only problem I think we had was that in the last round an 6-8 year old boy (I think his name was like Cagen or something) was paired with a like 20 year old lady. I was sitting close to them and IMO, the lady was being very mean to the little boy. I felt so bad for him. She was telling him things like "You're a terrible player. There's no way a little boy like you can beat me." "Oooh, you are sooo gonna lose.". I was hopeing that Cagen would beat her, but later into the round, I heard the older lady rubbing it in his face when he lost. I hurried up with the game and afterwards, I asked Cagen to play me once (I had the intention to let him win ;x) but he refused. He never cried when that 15+ lady was giving him a hard time, which I thought was really cool. He had gone 1-4 the whole day (The only round he won was where he got a bye) and later won the Sportsmanship award.
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Gym Leader Blaine
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posted February 19, 2003 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by bulbasnore:
Well, you folks are amazing. I mean, what a great effort to see that things got done right. Congratulations, you did a lot for the game. You upheld the integrity of the event, taught players a new format the hard way and went the extra mile of fixing rather than DQ. I could see good reasons just to press on and start on time, but if this worked for your players...WOW!
Well I really can't take all the credit. It was wonderful to have my fellow profressors there to help with the decks while I was getting everyone checked in and the computer going. I could not of done it with out them:
Christopher Beckstrom AKA The Fish King
Daniel Cheney AKA The Anaconda
David Beckstrom
It was these professors the really helped me out during the tournament.
Thanks guys,
GLB
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