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Dumbledore
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posted March 14, 2003 12:22 AM
Hi guys and girls,
I may not post that often but I do read a lot. I have seen the terrible news and the topic on that. And sure, I haven't read all the postings on it but the feeling I get is that most people are just stunned, chocked or sad about the news.
What I do think is that many of us saw this coming the hints where clear enough during the last year.
WotC has done a lot for us during the years and they have taught us tons about OP. We have a great community with a network all over the world.
Now isn't the time to dwell on the sad ending. Now isn't the time to say that we should do a lot of things. Those things should have been done ages ago if we would have wanted the license to stay with WotC.
Here is my idea of what we should do instead:
Get organized=Either collect the information ourselves in some way or ask WotC humbly to give us the information. Get info on all players that has ever played Pokemon so that we can if we get organized contact them with info about the continuing of OP.
Build up a network without WotC since this Gym will eventually close down(please keep it alive as long as possible). We need to prepare for the time after Jamboree. Get a forum up and get everyone over there...not loose any people on the way(now who is the best person or group of person to do this?). We still have a good deal of time to do this in time instead of rushing into it the last week(remember how the trading on pojo ended?) So lets get started now and don't put it off to tomorrow....
Use our skills in the game to create a world series(get workgroups going on that) or something so that we can continue to have OP even if we can't send people to Hawaii. We can still organize our own ratingsystem(another workgroup to calculate this....) and series so that we can compete. Then build on that maybe with small memberfees or something and maybe we can do a bigger event every now and then.
The OP can be kept alive, but only if we get organized and keep our network. The professor and masterprofessor listings are a good start. And I'm sure the MT's wants the game to be kept alive even if we don't get another set after Jamboree.
Just think about it. How many different formats can we come up with(yet another workgroup for testing them out?)? There must be tons of formats never tested, strange ones, fun ones and the ones we allready know. We have many sets of cards to play with and I'm sure that there are a lot of combos that hasn't been explored yet.... also I'm sure if we just keep our community we can keep this game alive in the same way chess, bridge or any other game is kept alive. Pokemon isn't dead, it's just that we have lost our normal way of getting new sets.
Why shouldn't we be able to keep the game alive? We have thousands of different cards and yet bridge people can keep their game alive and they have only 52..... ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif)
So who's up for President in this brand new organisation? My vote goes to Skywolf who is a great person to keep us all together all over the globe! Marsh are you up for it?
And to the mods, please let this topic stay. We need it!
Thanks for your time reading this.
Now let's get started!
Best regards,
Dumbledore
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posted March 14, 2003 12:48 AM
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Here is my idea of what we should do instead:
Get organized=Either collect the information ourselves in some way or ask WotC humbly to give us the information. Get info on all players that has ever played Pokemon so that we can if we get organized contact them with info about the continuing of OP.
Agreed although I do not believe that WotC will share the DCI information Data Protection act alone in the UK will prevent that.
I suggest we start gathering paper data at a local level .. names, addresses, telephone numbers, mobile numbers, email and Aim addresses
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Use our skills in the game to create a world series(get workgroups going on that) or something so that we can continue to have OP even if we can't send people to Hawaii. We can still organize our own ratingsystem(another workgroup to calculate this....) and series so that we can compete. Then build on that maybe with small memberfees or something and maybe we can do a bigger event every now and then.
Well if we want we could buy a rankings system with yearly membership .. organizedplay.com do it for L5R i think? But yes agreed
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Build up a network without WotC since this Gym will eventually close down(please keep it alive as long as possible). We need to prepare for the time after Jamboree. Get a forum up and get everyone over there...not loose any people on the way(now who is the best person or group of person to do this?). We still have a good deal of time to do this in time instead of rushing into it the last week(remember how the trading on pojo ended?) So lets get started now and don't put it off to tomorrow....
I really suggest we use an existing forum .. maybe pokeschool they have the right atmosphere there to suit all players IMHO
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The OP can be kept alive, but only if we get organized and keep our network. The professor and masterprofessor listings are a good start. And I'm sure the MT's wants the game to be kept alive even if we don't get another set after Jamboree.
Forget WotC loyalty please .. they have done us proud over the last 5 years .. if you are in the US that is ... elsewhere well patchy at best.
WotC will want what is best for WotC and ultimately Hasbro that is why we are here now because there was a line drawn with Nintendo and the 2 sides could not agree.
The MTs said it in chat last night as long as we are involved with pokemon for that read until we have shifted the product and got Jamboree out the way..
This is after all is said and done business
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Just think about it. How many different formats can we come up with(yet another workgroup for testing them out?)? There must be tons of formats never tested, strange ones, fun ones and the ones we allready know. We have many sets of cards to play with and I'm sure that there are a lot of combos that hasn't been explored yet.... also I'm sure if we just keep our community we can keep this game alive in the same way chess, bridge or any other game is kept alive. Pokemon isn't dead, it's just that we have lost our normal way of getting new sets.
Why shouldn't we be able to keep the game alive? We have thousands of different cards and yet bridge people can keep their game alive and they have only 52.....
Sorry Dumbledore but we haven't lost our normal way of getting new sets for most that meant a trip to a shop and I guess Nintendo will sell the cards in shops ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
Seriously this is not all bad WotC have dropped the level of support to pokemon in recent years and Nintendo are going to want to make a splash .. we can influence that spending I am sure
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So who's up for President in this brand new organisation? My vote goes to Skywolf who is a great person to keep us all together all over the globe! Marsh are you up for it?
Yeah Marsh for President .. can't think of anyone better ..
again we need a committee set up and we need to start collating wants and needs so that we can present them to Nintendo with our solutions and involvement too.
If we can sell them a support package for OP and the game that doesn't cost a lot and fits with their ideas for the future everyone wins ..
But we do need to find out what Nintendo is thinking too
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posted March 14, 2003 12:54 AM
While we WILL see the game printed under Nintendo, if either worst scenario comes (or they don't get off their lazy butts and print this game ), then I propose that we form various teams or leagues of dedicated players. I'm talking about people that meet for tournaments every now and then, for prizes or not. Each state/province would have at least one group of people dedicated to it. After such shocking news, seems we'll be needing a "Team Europe" too. ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
Btw, I've been thinking long and hard about at least a possible "Team Texas" program. It would be a weekly tournament, about $3-$5 per player, and a box would be given away, as I have some of the best sources for boxes, expecially when they are at a price of $40 for a Neo Destiny box, or $36 for an Expedition one ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
However, I'm not going to disclose this information so easily, or my prototype for, "Team Texas" would be ruined
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Dumbledore
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posted March 14, 2003 01:00 AM
I agree with you Pro all the way. My topic is intended to start something. How it ends up is all up to the community. (I'm not the pokemonguru, never will be either....)
And I'd like to add that it would be nice to have the MT's as honorable members of our organization...that way we might be able to keep the mapelbar jokes and Gengar.... ![[ROFL]](../tcg/graemlins/roflmao.gif)
Anyway, of course it would be great if we get new sets from Nintendo but as far as we know right now we can't be sure.
However getting organized is the most important issue atm IMO. Pokeschool isn't one of my regular visits but why not. I'm sure it would be a great place just like this. Especially if we all go there once this is ended...
/Dumbledore
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posted March 14, 2003 01:10 AM
Yeah...well, if they were so clear, then did you try to stop those of us who KNEW THIS ALREADY from getting the word about it out so we might've had five-six months of leadtime? Hah?
Listen up, and listen good, folksies...THIS is how to keep this game alive. Listen good, because there were a lot of you not listening last time and...well, here we are. Looks familiar, donnit?
TO SAVE THIS GAME, DO AS FOLLOWS:
1: DO NOT discuss any plans for any 'outside OP' via this board. Remember, once WotC has handed the Pokemon TCG over to Nintendo it then becomes a competing product to any of their own brands. Wizards of the Coast need not know what the players are doing. It's time they get kept in the dark for a change.
2: DO NOT make any assumptions that WotC is now in this to 'help' us. For example, there are a lot of people considering going to GenCon for the 'player appreciation' shindig. However, if a lot DO go, it could be used as ammo for keeping the game formats, rules, OP info, etc as proprietal information that would NOT get handed off to Nintendo. They could say that the turnout represents a still-viable market, ergo it would be to corporate disadvantage to let the info go in the face of such potential numbers.
3: DO organize. Just don't do it here. If the game survives with any viable continuity, it will do so because we managed to walk off with what we know on the grassroots level. This will be necessary to make things easier for future OP< I'm betting.
4: SAY NOTHING to anyone connected with Wizards of the Coast or Hasbro...especially them!...from here on out.
5: KEEP PLAYING. Just do it in some other ways. Remember, things such as sanctioned tourney and League activity can be used as ammo that there is still market viability just as I stated above. Take your play 'off the map', so to speak...but for god's sake, keep the game _going_.
At this point, we need to take up this game, which has meant so much to so many of us, and walk. I had hoped this would NOT have happened, or at least if it did that enough people would've used the leadtime from October 2002 on to make some sort of plans. Instead, it turned into a wild orgy of character-assassination and complete dischord. WE DO NOT NEED THAT NOW. We merely need to take what truly has become OURS, and go on with it.
And as we do so, remember: they said they would not do this to this game. They said this would not happen. But where are we now?
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posted March 14, 2003 01:42 AM
Well obviously a good way to keep the game alive aorund the world, is to have a 'group' in every country that wants to participate. Because then it would be a lot easier to organise World Tourny and stuff. Countries around the globe feel cut off, and if we all got together and made a committee type thing, with representatives from every country. Now, that wuld be a good idea. Obviously there would be more than 1 representative for places as big as America.
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Dumbledore
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posted March 14, 2003 02:55 AM
Lugia, you don't get it do you......
It doesn't matter at all where we get organized. And it doesn't make any difference if we talk about it here or anywhere else.
Fact remains that WotC won't do OP after the license ends.(I don't blame them, I wouldn't either if I where head of a company....I want to make money not loose it....) We can't expect Nintendo to get out new sets nor OP. We can hope for it and we can ask them humbly about it, but they won't do anything about it unless they will see a way to make money off it.
That's what it boils down to. Money. You predicted that WotC would flood the market with cheap cards if they did loose the license. Well that remains to be seen but the only thing I see that would come out of a move like that is the great opportunity for us to get cheap draftcards. ![[Evil Smirk]](../tcg/graemlins/Up_to.gif)
We don't need any company if we want to keep this game alive. If we do get another company to produce new sets and get OP going well that would be great and such a bonus, but we can't expect it or we would be very naive. No company needs to do anything for us.....they will only do it for a profit.
What we can do is get an organisation going that will keep the community going. And that is what we should do. Nothing more.
Why should we really need more sets of cards to keep the game alive? Bridge people has survived many years with only the 52 cards they had from the beginning. And believe me there are TONS of bridgeclubs out there. I think we have like 20 just in my town which isn't very big. (120' people).
So yes we can talk about any plans we have here on the gym as long as WotC lets us. And I would recommend that we find another "gym" like place to continue to meet up and exchange ideas when da Gym is eventually closed down. I'm sure the MT's won't mind if we get organized here during the time we have left. We don't need to hush things up since we are the community....we don't make money off it....We play the game cause it's fun!
And Ultramew. You are right on! With the opportunities we have with the internet today it should be pretty easy to keep a global organisation going. Of course we have the timedifferences but I'm sure we can work around that too.
/Dumbledore
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posted March 14, 2003 03:21 AM
Lugia909/All,
I know we split into different camps when this first raised its head, heck we in the UK and Europe have often felt split from you in the US.
But we need to stop any infighting before it starts... of course those who "Told you so" want to gloat.. I know I do ..
And look again at this:
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Let's play a game...
Let's pretend it's May of 2003. The window for the Pokemon TCG license renewal option has come and passed, and WotC chose not to move on it. A new licensee...doesn't exactly matter who, really...has stepped in and will pick up the game at the end of the license term.
What would happen next?
Hey wake up it's not May yet but we are living that what if right now.
Some of you would not listen, heck we all wanted it to be wrong..
I even posted a it hasn't happened yet reply..
But the writing has been on the wall for a while
So let me gloat a moment..
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not another liscense topic. why are we so worried about the liscense now? I don't remember this kind of havoc a year ago.
Look guys we told you ...
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Ugh... I can't stand this "Wizards might drop Pokemon" crap. Didn't DMTM specifically say Wizards had no intention to do so?
But much as I want to crow about how wrong they were and right we were it doesn't help us now.
I am not sure that comments like...
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DO NOT discuss any plans for any 'outside OP' via this board. Remember, once WotC has handed the Pokemon TCG over to Nintendo it then becomes a competing product to any of their own brands. Wizards of the Coast need not know what the players are doing. It's time they get kept in the dark for a change.
help us move forward at all .. I wholehearted agree that WotC is not in this for us but for a profit that is business and that yes they are only thinking of business in all that they do.. even more so under Hasbro.
I agree that a trust has been broken, we were told they wanted this game .. some of us didn't believe it .. still don't .. but that does not help us move forward.
Think people please.. WotC want to sell the product they have and will support the game until that is gone then we are toast as far as the game is concerned.
We will see more and more inducements to play other WotC/Hasbro games .. see last nights chat guys and gals it is all there .. NeoPets/Risk .. come on this is business.
I know that some of the Prophets were hurt by WotC's response, I agree that not everything should be on these boards ..
I agree that some of it needs to be done by email and AIM.
Lugia909 you did us all a favour but please let's not fight anymore amongst ourselves ..
I want to know what Nintendo think first ..
But DAMN IT ALL Lugia909 you were RIGHT.
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posted March 14, 2003 03:40 AM
As far as keeping the game alive with tourneys and such, a big thing to remember is that DCI has given all us that LOVELY DCI Reporter. We can of course continue to use that for tourneys.
I would advise getting DCI cards from Linda so our future players will still be a part of the "original" gang with official DCI numbers.
Also, I run a league and as each player signs up I add them to my spreadsheet so I have a record of every players name address, DCI#, bday, attendance... etc. If you would like a blank copy let me know.
And finally, If I can be of any help working on getting together a big event, count me in. Especially if its in Beautiful Orlando FLorida.
Hey out there to the other FLorida Professors and Gym Leaders.... lets work on this....
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posted March 14, 2003 04:09 AM
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As far as keeping the game alive with tourneys and such, a big thing to remember is that DCI has given all us that LOVELY DCI Reporter. We can of course continue to use that for tourneys.
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posted March 14, 2003 04:25 AM
First of all, I wonder if some of us do regret WotC or the people who are working there.
Guys like MTM, DMTM, ... are more than Wizards employees for most of us, they are part of our lives because they represent our game.
WotC and TPC have taken a decision, and things will change, but I'm not too pessimistic about the future.
The European will remember the reaction we've had when Harlan has decided to leave WotC Europe one year ago.
He was, in Europe, what the MT's are in the World : our 'Mister Pokemon' who had done a fantastic job for us and the game.
Things are different now, with the new OP team, but the big crash announced after Harlan has never happened.
We could see the same with Nintendo. Changes yes, but maybe not the end of our World.
From my experience with Wizards Europe, I'd say that we have to work all together (players, Profs, TO's, ...) and communicate as much as possible. The Pokegym will close (when ?), so the idea of another forum is important.
We have to work with the company too. We'll need Nintendo in the future, and they'll need us like Wizards did.
We now know that there will be new sets and that TPC want to do Organized play.
We have the game and a company (TPC and/or Nintendo) that seems to want to continue what we want the most.
I think we could already tell TPC and Nintendo that we are ready to work with them, to build something together.
They have the money (I hope ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif) ) and the structure, we have knowledge and experience.
Don't you think that the experience we have (thanks ao the Prof Program) in judging, organising, OP, rules, community, ... can be used in a positive way ?
Instead of saying 'let's do it alone', I'd rather say 'let's propose to Nintendo to prepare the future together'.
BTW, that future is really close, ... could be september this year !
Will they be interested, will they accept ? I hope so.
In the meantime, I'll keep on running tournaments, and probably more than before, to keep the players in the game... and I'll keep on working with WotC like the MT's said during yesterday's chat that they will do with us.
Like it has been said in this topic, I believe that we have to be 'organized' and represented.
I propose one person (sorry if I'm not very creative) : Skywolf.
Other people will have an important role to play in the near future too. I'm talking about Pokemom, Sensei, Chrisbo, ... all these people who are so deeply involved in the game and who have such an important knowledge about it in many ways.
Message to you Marsh : you have proved to all of us, and especially to the European community, that you are a man our game absolutely needs.
Do you remember that you've talked to me some months ago about one of your projects ?
May I propose you to start a new TPC, with the help and support of many of us ?
It wouldn't be The Pokemon Company, but
'The Pokemon Community'
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posted March 14, 2003 04:38 AM
I am in total agreement with Michel's post.
We need to be organized.
Now is the time to organize a Pokemon Fan Club. The benefits are many.
In the short run, it will provide us with a legitimate voice to put our wishes, needs, and concerns forward to whoever is organizing future Pokemon activities.
Secondly, if it comes to it, we would be in a better position to organize our own tournaments, etc--on a local, national, and international level.
Such an organization could be organized on-line or we might choose to have an organizational meeting in person at GenCon.
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posted March 14, 2003 05:11 AM
If you are in the SE tomorrow come and see how we kept the game alive for 4 years here in the UK ..
We got our 2nd South East England Challenge going on at Crawley and we are gonna have FUN.
Catch the details here
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posted March 14, 2003 07:30 AM
This thread has gone quite a while without descending into infighting and backbiting and we don't want it to degenerage now.
Delving into "We were right and they were wrong" and "I was a hero and they were evil" will spin this off of being productive sooo fast.
There are many arguments that could be gotten into about why all that is crap and bs, but is that really what we want to start doing? Flinging around mud?
Look, WotC is losing the liscence. DMTM said they wanted to keep it, but TPC wanted more that they thought was fair. That's good enough for me.
So, we're offering this forum for continued discussion and you can all make all the plans you want on here. We're not going to stop you or sabotage you.
In case some of you have forgotten, the reason all of us Mods are here is because we love the game too!
So, leave your knives and slings at the door and lets get back to it.
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posted March 14, 2003 07:46 AM
I totally agree with you Pop. And if we create a new forum maybe you guys can continue your good work as mods there too?
Thanks for keeping us in line.... This topic is totally intended to be creative and possitive. To dwell on past times isn't gonna get us forward at all.
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posted March 14, 2003 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by Dumbledore:
Hi guys and girls,
I may not post that often but I do read a lot. I have seen the terrible news and the topic on that. And sure, I haven't read all the postings on it but the feeling I get is that most people are just stunned, chocked or sad about the news.
What I do think is that many of us saw this coming the hints where clear enough during the last year.
WotC has done a lot for us during the years and they have taught us tons about OP. We have a great community with a network all over the world.
Now isn't the time to dwell on the sad ending. Now isn't the time to say that we should do a lot of things. Those things should have been done ages ago if we would have wanted the license to stay with WotC.
Here is my idea of what we should do instead:
Get organized=Either collect the information ourselves in some way or ask WotC humbly to give us the information. Get info on all players that has ever played Pokemon so that we can if we get organized contact them with info about the continuing of OP.
Build up a network without WotC since this Gym will eventually close down(please keep it alive as long as possible). We need to prepare for the time after Jamboree. Get a forum up and get everyone over there...not loose any people on the way(now who is the best person or group of person to do this?). We still have a good deal of time to do this in time instead of rushing into it the last week(remember how the trading on pojo ended?) So lets get started now and don't put it off to tomorrow....
Use our skills in the game to create a world series(get workgroups going on that) or something so that we can continue to have OP even if we can't send people to Hawaii. We can still organize our own ratingsystem(another workgroup to calculate this....) and series so that we can compete. Then build on that maybe with small memberfees or something and maybe we can do a bigger event every now and then.
The OP can be kept alive, but only if we get organized and keep our network. The professor and masterprofessor listings are a good start. And I'm sure the MT's wants the game to be kept alive even if we don't get another set after Jamboree.
Just think about it. How many different formats can we come up with(yet another workgroup for testing them out?)? There must be tons of formats never tested, strange ones, fun ones and the ones we allready know. We have many sets of cards to play with and I'm sure that there are a lot of combos that hasn't been explored yet.... also I'm sure if we just keep our community we can keep this game alive in the same way chess, bridge or any other game is kept alive. Pokemon isn't dead, it's just that we have lost our normal way of getting new sets.
Why shouldn't we be able to keep the game alive? We have thousands of different cards and yet bridge people can keep their game alive and they have only 52.....
So who's up for President in this brand new organisation? My vote goes to Skywolf who is a great person to keep us all together all over the globe! Marsh are you up for it?
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To Lena and everyone else:
In my close to 32 years on this planet, I never thought that one single facet of "pop-culture" would have such a PROFOUND impact on my life like Pokemon has. My first experience with Pokemon was with the anime, which four years later I still watch. The MUSIC came next, then the films, then the cards.
It has been 4 years for me, 4 years that have changed my life. 4 Years that have found me positive direction in my life, that have allowed me to grow as a person both personally and professionally. However, I made a mistake, a CRITICAL one! That mistake was, I became emotionally attached to this "pop-culture" brand, and in multi-faceted way, Running Tournaments, Writing Letters, Coordinating with Vendors, heck, I wanted to even go as far as forming a non-profit organization for the sole purpose of promoting all the goodness that Pokemon has not only brought to myself, but to so many others. Yes, I got emotionally involved, WAY TOO MUCH! The events of 13, March 2003 were a reality check for me. A very COLD and HARD DOSE of reality that I guess I needed. Because, right now, my priorities have changed. Pokemon is a HOBBY, PERIOD. Not an OBSESSION, and YES I will admit I WAS obsessed with it.
However, it is over for me now. Maybe it is a good thing. They say that things happen for a reason, and while I might never know what the reason is, this was a dose of reality that I guess I needed.
So, now that the license issue has been put to rest, so is my involvement with Pokemon. Why? Because I have learned a VERY valuable lesson from all this, NEVER get emotionally ATTACHED to ANYTHING. This was the mistake a made, and a mistake that clouded my better judgment.
Lena, you have been a great ambassador for this game, so has Eskil, and everyone else in Europe that does so much for this game.
The same can be said for Bulbasnore, LizardOTC, and the COUNTLESS others that have put their hears and souls into this game, to ensure its continued success. However, it comes down to numbers folks, and the numbers, despite what we might read, and hear, were apparently not sufficient to warrant a renewal. That is the reality.
What does this mean for me? Quite simply it means that I am going to gradually limit my involvment over the next five months, and ease out of the game slowly, to where by August of '03, I will be out of it all together perminately. Depending on how the other "legs" of the Pokemon brand are affected by this most recent decision, this might also mean, I will be out of the Pokemon Brand all together by such time. Simply because, of emotional attachment. One thing that will always remain though, are the memories that the Gym and all of the players, professors and supporters of the game have given me over the years. For that, you all have my most sincere thanks!
Lena, while I am flatterd that you think so highly of what I have been able to accomplish, even though I DON'T feel that I have done much in the way of anything except make a few phone calls and send a few e-mails, I am going to have to respectfully DECLINE.
In closing, I just want to thanks WotC for 5 of the best and most enjoyable years of my life. The MT's were great, and WotC's support of this game was unyeilding through good times and bad. It is a sign of a first class operation. I am sorry to say, that NO OTHER company even comes close!
Many thanks to YOU ALL! This was a community that I was proud to belong to!
Respectfully,
Marsh Schneidau
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posted March 14, 2003 09:35 AM
Well guys... the one thing we can really do is get in contact with Nintendo and/or Pokémon USA and find out what indeed will happen.
As the Administrator and Head Staff Member of the Pokémon Labs, I have contacted both Nintendo and Pokémon USA with our concerns about Organized Play and the Professor Program in future. I even explained how important OP was and is to the game and its players.
All thats left is to wait and see what their respons is. I am very optemistic of the Future of this game and I for one will do whatever possible to help Nintendo and/or Pokémon USA with their future plans.
I would suggest that all of you too, try to get in contact with Nintendo and Pokémon USA and let them know, in a thoughtfull and calm manner, your concerns with the Future of Pokémon's Organized Play plans and offer you help as a community in getting it done just as we have helped Wizards these past years.
After all, if Nintendo and Pokémon USA don't know how important this is to many of us, nothing will get done about it.
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posted March 14, 2003 10:56 AM
Let me be as clear as possible.
WotC wanted to keep making Pokémon.
The Gym is here as a resource for you. The purpose in keeping it up is so that you will have a place to go for all of the information and discussions you want to have.
If you believe that there is some "Evil Purpose" behind it now then for heavens sake don't discuss your plans for organizing and keeping things going here.
I find this notion an extremely paranoid reaction.
I'm the Admin here and We(Mods/I)want to help you with what we have left to offer, and your transfer to a new Pokémon environment. We will do so to the best of our abilities.
So I guess it all comes down to my word vs his.
As far as the Gym goes I will be looking into what can be done with it at the end of our relationship with Pokémon. We need to talk about that here first.
what I believe you need to do is get in contact with TPC as soon as possible to try and figure out just what their plans are.
Organization is the key to keeping the game going.
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posted March 14, 2003 11:01 AM
Marsh,
I've been sad when I've read the news yesterday. I'm sad again after having read your post.
Of course you were (still are ?) emotionally attached to the game, the community, ...
I think we all are, otherwize do you think we would have fought for it, spend so much time and money, ... do you think we would want to keep it alive and give it a bright future ?
Golduck says in another topic :'I just realized that this isn't a game. It's a lifestyle.'
He's right, period.
How many people, and how many times, have we seen on the boards or heard 'I love the game' ?
Our game, and our community, is made of love (sometimes hate, but it's very close), passion and emotional involvment.
Just try to start a topic about the tournament you'll run ... really few people will answer.
But start a topic about a new set, or about the future of our game, ... and you'll have hundreds of replies.
Yes, we have a passion, yes it's maybe irrational, yes Pokemon is a (big) part of our life, yes some people who are not with us may find that silly, ... but yes I'm proud of beeing like that !
Please Marsh, don't believe I want to force you in any way. I just want to say that I think you're a 'normal PTCG fan'.
Normal ? Not really. The difference with you is that you do more than many others. Especially more FOR the others.
I've never heard or read you about something for you, it has always been for the others. That's one of the reasons you are so special, and so respected by the community, and by Wizards.
Like many others I think, I saw you as the leader of our game and community on our way to a new Pokemon OP.
You have taken a decision, and I respect it.
We'll all miss you ... and I truly hope that, within a few months, you'll come back to have fun with us in a new Pokemon environment.
Take care
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posted March 14, 2003 11:33 AM
DMTM,
Please note that the paranoid reaction comes from one person only
If I've talked about another forum, it was only after the closing of the Pokegym (sorry if I haven't been clear enough).
Communication, and sharing ideas or information, is one of the keys for the future of Pokemon. My only purpose was to draw people's attention to that, especially after the closing of the Pokegym.
I'm really convinced that you'll help us during that transition period, no doubts about that.
Like I'm sure that, like it happens since 5 years now, we'll only know a little part of what the Renton's Mikes do for us.
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posted March 14, 2003 11:35 AM
Marsh, it has been a pleasure!
I wish you luck in whatever endeavors you persue!
your friend,
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posted March 14, 2003 12:06 PM
Geez, folks...before we start calling him paranoid and singling him out, maybe we should think for a second...remember back last year?
"We could lose this game."
"Yeah right, whatever, we don't believe you."
Wow, look where we are. Maybe he's got a point, hmm? ![[Bored]](../tcg/graemlins/dozey.gif)
I, for one, find Lugia's points to be worthwhile. He seems to know what he's talking about not just WotC-wise, but company-wise...and depsite great guys like DMTM, WotC is a company. Remember that.
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posted March 14, 2003 12:17 PM
Sure there are great people at Wotc, DMTM, MTM to name a couple, but fact of the matter is Wotc is a company here, their top priority isn't looking out for us when the license is gone. And What Lugia said in his post makes 100% sense, once it's out of their hands, it becomes competition with magic.
My guess is wotc would just do what they can to stop it dead in it's tracks (like any normal company would) before it becomes a potential threat to their product.
But people, please remember, the higher ups at wotc aren't our "friends", we need to fend for ourselfs here.
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posted March 14, 2003 12:33 PM
Whoa now, Marty...that's not what I'm saying at all!
It doesn't need to be a "fend for yourselves" thing...it just needs to be realized that it's no longer in WotC's best interests to help the game after its out of their hands. No wars need to be started over this, it just needs to be realized.
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posted March 14, 2003 12:35 PM
...I'm a fan of MtG, but rest assured, what Martin is saying is the WHOLE TRUTH. Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon may someday find common grounds and fellowships, as we're divided, yet alike in MANY ways but MAGIC PEOPLE HATE US, and that was before any of this ever happened! If you ever even bring up the word, "Pokemon" most of them will start a long, annoying rant about how stupid it is. While I like MtG as a CARD GAME, I'll admit I DON'T LIKE many of the people who play it, unless they are my friends. The Pokemon community, so far as inter-game relationships go, was always alone, even here at Wizards. The only new enemies we're getting are some corporate fatcats.
But hey, we're WAY too tough to worry about rival card games, companies out to kill us, etc. After all Martin, you've had some DCI fatcats after you for a LONG time
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