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Topic: Should Slowking be banned from the current Format?
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Oo-Prof esPy-oO
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posted December 12, 2002 07:06 PM
AGH! Slowking = A Must In this format. We got Muk Variants going around that can stop it along with Igglybuffs TeCHed in decks so why not?! It Ruins the whole Murkrow/Lock decks...Espeon like needs him since you already banned the only card which makes the deck great...PROMO EEVEE! Also I have just made a Donphan/King deck so I really want King in the format yet. By doing this you people are just making a mistake and making this format worse...AGAIN(promos 1-20 banned was a bad move)...All In All...Dont Ban King...eBrooks will make out with a Gatr if u dont ban it ;/
OH yE!! How About we Ban HoLO Entei while we are at it!! Make the format WORSE!! =D [ December 12, 2002, 07:56 PM: Message edited by: Oo-Prof esPy-oO ]
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posted December 12, 2002 07:12 PM
Ughh... I really wanted something that actually DOMINATES the format, like Kingdra... Why?
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yoshi1001
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posted December 12, 2002 07:14 PM
quote: eBrooks will make out with a Gatr if u dont ban it ;/
Poor Gatr...
Well, that's one less thing for Leduck to counter, but so much for Babyporter (which would have died anyway when the free-reteat babies went). Ah well. [ December 12, 2002, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: yoshi1001 ]
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posted December 12, 2002 07:15 PM
Gustas, sounds like a DEAL TO ME! ohoho. Well i also see that removing slowking not only hurts game play for the slowking decks but also for metagame against it. Such as Muk, Dark gengar, and various other decks made to beat it. This will definitely limit the viable decks playable in MMF, that is unless you guys have a surprise for us in the new set! :D
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BJJ763
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posted December 12, 2002 07:36 PM
Looks like it'll be Kingdrafest.....
Edited: And i can stop trading for them..
Anybody want some?
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y2ace
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posted December 12, 2002 07:52 PM
I think this is actually a mistake, slowking isnt very dominate in the format and there are many cards that are teched against him. Pichu magby iggly jiggly list goes on and on, slowking was keeping the bigger decks in check I think this will hurt more than help personally
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Martin Moreno
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posted December 12, 2002 08:04 PM
Word on the street is, DCI is also going to be banning Martin Moreno from Modified..ooooooooh!
But seriously, this is awful news, and only awful players will be happy about this. Slowking is a strong deck, but isn't as dominant as you people make it out to be.
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IPGeek21
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posted December 12, 2002 08:19 PM
I FORESEE another archy COMING back with a vengeance... and TYPE =/
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Oo-Prof esPy-oO
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posted December 12, 2002 08:23 PM
I forsee what maartin forsees...
Games Ending in 4-6 Turns...
No Competition Is left for One Deck...
One deck to PwN them All... (that sounded all LoTR-ish)
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D1TTO
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posted December 12, 2002 08:41 PM
Just after I buy slowkings on Ebay... it figures. Whats next? Maple bars? Ditto
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Psychic_Prof
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posted December 12, 2002 08:51 PM
I think this is all a sign from Wizards...
We need to push the envelope folks...do something new.
This is good...Kindgra is defeatable (why no slowking makes Kingdra more playable is beyond me).
It's time to branch out and roll with these punches.
...and keep this in mind...They ban at least four or five cards from Magic each set (Not really...but close)
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SteveP
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posted December 12, 2002 09:34 PM
GREAT NEWS!!!
Regarding Kindra-Center/Nurse: Easily beaten with Buzz, E-Meganium, Lily Pad Mew, etc.
Double Gust is still close to broken, but IMO, much needed to counter bench-sitting PP decks like Damage Swap, E-Polywrath, etc.
So, we still get Neo Genesis for a while. That's cool. I'm having a hard time giving up my Double Gusts, Elms, and Gold Berries. However, I wouldn't be surprised if WOTC did rotate out Neo Genesis before Worlds 2003.
Once again. YAH!!! No more one-sided trainermon decks! No more stupid Mind Games!!!
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Articjedi
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posted December 12, 2002 10:15 PM
Sorry Eric, first eevee then slowking.
Oh well, I like it better this way, besides, you can just use noctowl, at least that doesn't stop trainers as I play them.
I've hated slowking because it gave a major advantage to the other player. I ended up taking out 1/3 of another person's deck. All of the so called counters to slowking had their own counter. I could never get a double gust off when two of those suckers were out anyway.
Well, we'll just have to find another way to make the decks work. Slowking players, think of it this way. You now have a challange to use your slowking less decks and make them successful.
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IPGeek21
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posted December 12, 2002 11:12 PM
PLAYERS do branch out... DOES Not mean players WERE only ONE-sided players.
ARCHETYPES are NOT bad... tourneys IMO are not just 'fun' & GREAT deck builders could always shine.
King is awesome...
YEP all those decks I have seen... MORE of them.
IF ONLY people stopped copying decks...
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DMTM
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posted December 12, 2002 11:30 PM
Please remember...not being banned because it is "Broken".
It isn't Broken folks.
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Golduck
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posted December 13, 2002 01:55 AM
There's happening so much spectacular in this game right now, every single day is full of shocking news. Switch and Buzz back? Slowking leaving?
But we have to remember that Slowking never was supposed to be like he is now in the first place. He should never have worked on the bech. It shouldn't have been possible to flip 3 freaking coins for every single Trainer card your opponent plays. It was wrong.
But I think this is a good move, so people will try to use new cards when Aquapolis arrives. There's so much new stuff in Aquapolis that maybe never would've seen play because Slowking would be a better choice. There's even a new Slowking in Aquapolis.
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LizardOTC
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posted December 13, 2002 03:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by LizardOTC: Slowking exists. Adapt accordingly!
Ummmm... What I meant was, Slowking does not exist. Adapt accordingly!
I suppose this is a good thing. After all, every deckbuilder was concerned with accounting for Slowking. Slowking was dominating the TecH slots in decks. There is no more need to run 3 Iggly now (or a 3-2 Muk line), and that's nice.
With an opposing Noctowl, you only need to worry about trainers that are still in your hand at the end of your turn (such as after an Eeeeeeek!). Therefore, I plan to drop my Cleffa count to one (two at most). With all the search and drawing power in the format, I can always get what I need anyway. Besides, a single Electabuzz would just devastate those stupid 'Owls.
So, now, it's back to unfettered Trainermon. No more "Slowking/Anything"...
The format is now all about dealing with Kingdra, Entei/Mag, and perhaps Espeon.
That is, until Aquapolis comes. Several cards in that set look promising...
Oh, and please let's not get all up-in-arms at WotC over this. There is a very good chance that this removal of Slowking was requested by TPC due to their perception that the mistranslation of the card had imbalanced the format. One look at the Worlds results tells you where they may have gotten that impression! [ December 13, 2002, 03:19 AM: Message edited by: LizardOTC ]
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IPGeek21
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posted December 13, 2002 09:18 AM
It's WoTC's decision. End of story.
No problem.
That they DID it and they LET US GRIPE???
AT LEAST trainermon can STILL be kept in check in UNLIMITED where it is NEEDED
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ScythKing
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posted December 13, 2002 09:41 AM
quote: Originally posted by DMTM: Please remember...not being banned because it is "Broken". It isn't Broken folks. DMTM
So why then? Just curious.
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posted December 13, 2002 10:45 AM
My guess is something along the lines of what Lizard said:
quote: There is a very good chance that this removal of Slowking was requested by TPC due to their perception that the mistranslation of the card had imbalanced the format. One look at the Worlds results tells you where they may have gotten that impression!
Except take out TPC and replace it with Wizards.
Please note: Just a guess. (Seems like guesses that start being accepted as fact aren't a good thing, judging by recent history.)
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LizardOTC
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posted December 13, 2002 10:51 AM
One major benefit I see coming from this move is the rise of dual-stage-2 decks. Swarming will be the rule.
Kingdra/Jumpluff or Kingdra/Beedrill, anyone?
With Traders, Breeders and Elm's Training Method (and no Slowking to interfere) the shape of the box has changed.
I don't know about you, but lights are beginning to wink on in my head...
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posted December 13, 2002 01:14 PM
You guys are all guessing when you said "TPC" had a say in this. I first want proof from a representative from TPC requiring WotC to remove "Slowking" from the MMF. I see this as WotC decision and not TPC. TPC used our rulings at the TMB and had no problem with it, neither did the Japanese players. They played our format under "OUR" gaming rules. Enough said.
Disallowing Slowking allows a lot of other decks to be played from the newer sets, with more deck creation (right SteveP). Oh, SI Iggly should be disallowed once Double Gust goes bye-bye.
Oh well, just another evolution of the game. We will adapt but please get another box for Slowking. He hurts my mind.
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LizardOTC
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posted December 13, 2002 03:43 PM
Pokidad:
From the Chat:
quote: master_trainer_mike presents the speaker with question #95 from enik_the_sleestak:is that really necessary to ban neo1 slowking? what about making it restricted to 1 or something less drastic? master_trainer_mike says, "Yes it is. Japan has wanted us to remove this card for a long time now. By banning it, we solve several rules problems and make our licensor happy."
and...
quote: master_trainer_mike presents the speaker with question #146 from toysruskid:Why not add Cleffa,Tyrouge to the banned list? darkmt_mike says, "They will cry..." darkmt_mike says, "They're Babbies." master_trainer_mike says, "Because 1, they don;t cause as many problems, 2 Japan isn't angry with those cards, and 3, dceks are not built around them (or counter to them)."
Or, was there more proof you needed?
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Articjedi
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posted December 13, 2002 05:55 PM
Why is everyone so worried about kingdra dominating, it isn't that good of a card!!!
So it hits for 30 a turn, there are so many decks that beat it. With all the new water resistant pokemon, why worry? You can even run a few steel energy to kill off kingdras. I like kabutops/steelix myself. With the speed and swarming ability, kingdra can't keep up.
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