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Author Topic: Should Slowking be banned from the current Format? Pokesensei Member # 7 posted December 11, 2002 09:15 AM             Ah,the fun of stirring the pot! Here`s a comment about Slowking from MTM in the Professor e-mails that just came in yesterday: I fear this card is working its way towards Sneasel status though... What does everyone think?Should we ban it to the box along with Sneasel or leave it for legal use in gameplay?Sneasel was banned not only because it was a very strong card to use,but also because of too many people were using it and wouldn`t "think outside the box".Does Slowking fit this category?Are there too many Slowking decks in both formats? Let the fun begin... `Sensei p.s.I know this could be in the Single Cards,but I know some people don`t go there so I decided to put it in this forum instead. Edit:Fixed Typos [ December 11, 2002, 09:18 AM: Message edited by: Pokesensei ] -------------------- •Founding Member of TEAM COMPENDIUM •STS/World`s Judge •Admin of WizPog Right..not blocked that is.At least until I`m overuled by a Gameboy again!-MT Pat smarting after being overuled by a Gameboy. `Sensei is a madman from another dimension!-DMTM From: Out of the Box | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged Pokidad Member # 135 posted December 11, 2002 09:28 AM             Nope, there are cards to use against Slowking decks such as Igglypuff and SI Jigglypuff, & Muk. Slowking is mostly used for Trainer Denial purposes whereas Sneasel could as a big hitter and fits into many types of decks with not too much of a problem. Not the same. Also, Igglypuff takes up less space (3 cards vs 8 for Slowking). Sensei, you haven't play us against our other Non-Slowking Neo-on decks yet. Watch out! Look, it is crowed enough in this box with Sneasel and he is always clawing to get out. We don't want any more Pokes in here with us. Plus, DMTM's office isn't big enough to hold all of those Slowkings. From: Falls Church, VA USA | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged CPUSrchDiscarding2forOak Member # 37400 posted December 11, 2002 09:33 AM             MMF -- No. The card is used muchly, but not enough to affect the entire state of gameplay. With the new rulings on how Trainers interact with Slowking, the main cards affected are Unlimited cards -- CPU/IF/SER. Also, the Slowking/Chaos Gym player gets a new benefit from the ruling -- but Chaos isn't in Unlimited. Usually I'm anti-banning. I'm one of the guys that jeered when Sneasel was banned from MF. I'm one of the guys that jeered even more when Feraligatr lost its Trainer engine in the new MF. But Slowking is getting ridiculous. Leave it in MMF, ban, restrict, or errata it in Unlimited. -------------------- What, like the pro-archetype attitude is supposed to be restricted to THIS company, and THIS TCG? All card games run on archetypes. Magic is 90% archetypes. YGO is 90% archetypes. Pokemon was, for the most part, all archetypes before and during MF2. Pokemon will be archetype-based during MF3. Pokemon will be archetype based when it is under Nintendo. Viva la unoriginality! From: West Mifflin, PA | Registered: Aug 2001  |  IP: Logged CmonIWanaPLaYa Member Member # 101319 posted December 11, 2002 10:05 AM            I say leave it in there. It can be countered in a number of ways and the fun of TTar Trampling 3 Kings on the Bench is just to fun. Besides, he is not as broken as Sneasel is. If you play King, you have to plan the strategy to get him out of the Active spot which adds more cards to the deck, and plus the Ultimate King killer, Muk can take care ofKing along with Magby. Nothing can really counter Sneasel--free retreat, 2 D for powerful hits on turn two-- in that way except maybe L. Dragonite. Leave him. I Love King Decks!!! So does TTar!!! -------------------- Either, you Pokemon Yes, or you Pokemon no. If you Pokemon Guess So, sooner later, "squish" justa like bug Pokemon!! Registered: Aug 2002  |  IP: Logged Golduck Member # 523 posted December 11, 2002 11:39 AM             Not banned, it isn't that broken... only almost. Why wasn't it broken in old Modified, but now? I still can't see why. Why can't just TPC come and say "you have to follow our rules. Slowking's power only works acive. End of discussion." -------------------- Norwegian Championships - register here Have/Want list Visit Team Europe's new home page: TE v. 2.0 Be sure not to miss: Norwegian Championships 2003 From: Norway, in front of a Mac, designing the new TE homepage | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged The true lord of the pits Member Member # 116764 posted December 11, 2002 03:08 PM             BANNED?! WHAT ABOUT THE REAL POWERHOUSES, LIKE KINGDRACENTER, HUH?! J/k. Seriously, there are stronger things to ban -------------------- "The Cabal is here, and everywhere." The, one, only... www.imakuni.com The crazy, teen-oriented: www.pojo.com Website Reborn! www.bulbagarden.com Also, be sure to check out our super-cool trade forum! http://bmgf.bulbagarden.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=67 From: TEXAS... Giddy up! | Registered: Nov 2002  |  IP: Logged yoshi1001 Member # 825 posted December 11, 2002 03:29 PM             A: Yes, but only on tuesdays. Q: Wait, wrong thread. I can't say I've ever played against a serious slowking deck, but I've certainately played one myself. It takes as lot of energy (on the part of the player). After all, how often can you say, "Back on top of your deck" before going crazy? Of course, it will almost certainly be rotated out next september, and is the lynchpin of at least one emerging modified strategy (babyporter). Actually, perhaps another question is in order: Q: What kind of game do we want to play? How does Slowking impact that game? What would the game be like without it? -------------------- Visit Pokéwatch! Listen to PIRN, the Pokémon Internet Radio Network. We have interviews with Master Trainer Mike, Kierin Chase, and more, as well as your favorite Pokémon music! PIRN: The number 1 Pokémon Internet Radio Station! PIRN: The Magazine PIRN Message Boards GCAbGEbGF AIM: yoshi1001 From: Janesville, Wisconsin | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged Pooka Rulez Member Member # 97266 posted December 11, 2002 06:24 PM             My opinion? I'd say yes. *gets shot* It sort of takes the fun out of the game for the other person... Ever get in a situation where your opponent gets out 2-3-4 Slowkings and you can't find your Anti-Slowking stuff? You can't play Trainers and it gets sort of... stupid. Why should you have to alter your deck just to counter Slowking? Sure, Slowking has made it possible to run certain decks, but it's taken the creative edge off a lot of people. I personally hate when I have to take things out of my decks just so I can beat Slowking decks. It's plain annoying. That's my two cents. -------------------- Whatever. =/ From: Kenosha, Wisconsin | Registered: Jul 2002  |  IP: Logged RaNd0m Member # 73173 posted December 11, 2002 06:48 PM             *Cough* Muk *cough* ~ RaNd0m -------------------- The Pojo dude who writes articles regarding the game. DCI RATING: 1888 www.pojo.com/random/index.html Major Tourneys Wigglymaker 5-0 Chicago Mall Tour (2000) (1st) The Bat Trap 8-1 Indianapolis QT (1st) Crobat's Back, alright! 7-1 St. Louis GC (1st) Arithmestoise 6-3 Pokemon World Championships 2002 (12th) ~ RaNd0m the Professor ;D From: Illinois...=\ | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged LizardOTC Member # 124 posted December 11, 2002 08:12 PM            No. Slowking can be dealt with quite easily. Seriously. Slowking is good, but far from broken. I play it occasionally myself. When I'm not playing it, I usually run Pichu, Muk, SI Jiggly, or, most often, Igglybuff. While we're at it, let's ban Kingdra and Recycle energy. Oh, and Entei. Oh yeah... also Espeon. Slowking exists. Adapt accordingly! -------------------- "No! Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try." -Yoda "Sewage Portrayed As Meat...It's not just for breakfast anymore!" -LizardOTC "Like a bad tooth and an unsteady foot is confidence in a faithless man in time of trouble." - Proverbs 25:19 From: The Vast Midwestern Waste | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged ShadowCard Member # 2104 posted December 11, 2002 09:25 PM            Well, in my opinion, this card isn't near broken. a deck with 3 or 4 is can cross the broken border, but as one card, it isn't. The power is the only threat. Its attack isn't that great and with a 3 energy retreat cost, there's another deck that can counter it besides Iggly. A deck that brings bench pokemon to the active position is this cards fear for not too many people will want to pay a 3 energy retreat on a consistant basis and they probably won't want to attack with it either. Didn't the winner of that tourney use a slowking/donphan deck. I think i read they had no psychic energies in it. erika's dragonair and dark machoke/dark machamp can handle it if there's not a good prime attacker for slowking. Dark tyrannitar works well with its bench damage. Pichu can handle it well too, but not too many people play that anymore. I don't know anyone who plays iggly around me. -------------------- "And there came a hero who said: Hurt not the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, nor the very fabric of time, but the hero would not prevail...nor would he surrender." Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged ShadowCard Member # 2104 posted December 11, 2002 09:27 PM            You know, dark espeon is an ugly card. You should see the looks faces make when they see the damage I deal with it. It's funny [ December 11, 2002, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: ShadowCard ] -------------------- "And there came a hero who said: Hurt not the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, nor the very fabric of time, but the hero would not prevail...nor would he surrender." Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged IPGeek21 Member # 184 posted December 11, 2002 10:12 PM             RIP: DVile RIP II: Chaos RIP Slowking??? NNNNOOOOOO!!!!! What shall trainer denial deck users USE!!!! I have seen A LOT of modified decks... Slowking is prevalent BUT there are strategies against it.... THEN again IN THE HANDS of a GOOD player... slowking is VERY VERY difficult to stop. Sneasal banned? YEAH!!! Slowking? nah... -------------------- Drafts bring out the BEST of the WORST cards in Pokemon *TC Member/WizpogMOD_Squad/Master_Prof* +GodFather to an Angel:RIP-Paloma Geronimo -=-=-=-=-=- TheCompendium Team Random Proud bro of SSJ3DVP11 ipgeek21.com SHUT UP & DO something about it From: The here, BUT WHERE shall we go? | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged Martin Moreno Member Member # 107070 posted December 11, 2002 10:55 PM             Slowking good? Yes. It is great and in some instances can simply lock the game. It is a very powerfull card. Powerfull enough to the point where every deck has to be altered to be able to fend it off accordingly. Banning Slowking would surely significantly alter how decks are built since it would change the metagame drastically, but thats the whole point of the word Metagame itself.. I don't think it needs to be banned. -------------------- -The Chosen One Martin "Martin, you've been mentally outta here for a long time." -PokePop From: Dallas Texas | Registered: Sep 2002  |  IP: Logged PokePop Member # 8 posted December 12, 2002 08:17 AM             Don't ban Slowking. . . . . . . . . Ban Slowpoke! Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged Big_Pappa_Poke Member # 3495 posted December 12, 2002 08:46 AM             No. 'Nuff said -------------------- ** The preceding message was brought to you by the nEw WeEzInG oDoR ** Winner - Skyridge SBZ Dayton 15+ Winner (with Nathan "Silent Bob" Spenny) - Origins Team Limited Evolution - Second in the World in Team Limited Third - WotC's final Pokemon event (Sunday Modified at GenCon) Adventure, excitement... a Jedi craves not these things. Would you like a chocolate covered Pretzel? From: Portsmouth, OH, USA | Registered: Mar 2001  |  IP: Logged SteveP Member # 14743 posted December 12, 2002 11:25 AM             I started a post on this topic just after the Worlds. My oppinion hasn't changed. Back then, DMTM came out with an article about broken cards and IMMEDIATELY shot down any arguments against banning it. So, I resolved to wait until Neo Genesis gets rotated out (probably before Worlds). I don't use ANY Neo Genesis Pokemon in my modified decks, and I'm slowly rotating out the trainers (I'm sure gonna miss that Double Gust). Anyway, if Neo Genesis doesn't get rotated out by Worlds 2003, it will be a close repeat of Worlds 2002. So, IMO, WOTC will rotate out Neo Genesis. Come on guys. Use some of the new stuff. Neo Genesis has been out for over two years now. Move on to something new for a change. By the way, another "close to broken" card in modified is Lily Pad Mew. IMO, that's one of the reasons why I think WOTC re-released Electabuzz. -------------------- Proud member of Team PokéParents - we play Pokémon with our kids! From: Colorado Springs, CO, USA | Registered: Apr 2001  |  IP: Logged ShadowCard Member # 2104 posted December 12, 2002 12:02 PM            Man, i hated double gust. That card was just awful (unless you run a free retreat deck). Cards i'll miss most when Neo is out; Cleffa gold berry berry Instead of there being just unlimited and modified, they should bring back rocket modified but just make it to Neo Destiny. then, they'd run 2 good modifieds, Rocket and Neo. Especially for those who miss the days of the kanto gym leaders. -------------------- "And there came a hero who said: Hurt not the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, nor the very fabric of time, but the hero would not prevail...nor would he surrender." Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged pyrotek Member # 36218 posted December 12, 2002 01:48 PM             I think pokesensei should be banned! He is broken. =) Long time no see buddy. How are things going? -------------------- -= Tom Hanley =- .Insert Pokemon Achievements Here. Also, visit this cool pokemon site.. http://www.pmgs.net Registered: Aug 2001  |  IP: Logged Pokesensei Member # 7 posted December 12, 2002 03:04 PM             Hey Tom,great to see you back here!I`m doing fine.Hope to see you at the events this year. Anyways,just in from the chat: master_trainer_mike presents the speaker with question #89 from steelixownzu: Is there any where I can go to find the latest team rules? pokemonfighter enters. master_trainer_mike says, "That leads into something to tell you about." master_trainer_mike says, "We will be posting updated Pokemon Florr rules on our web site on Jan 1, 2003." master_trainer_mike says, "All errors will be corrected, Team Rules will be updated" master_trainer_mike says, "AND" master_trainer_mike says, "Slowking (Neo Geneis) will be BANNED from Modified starting on Jan 1, 2003 as well!" master_trainer_mike says, "Whaddaya think o' that?!?!?!" nopoke59 enters. master_trainer_mike smiles. You say, "get outta town...0-o" darkmt_mike shakes his head. darkmt_mike smirks. master_trainer_mike says, "This, of course, means that it will no longer be playable in Team Constructed either (as that uses the current Modified format)." darkmt_mike says, "No more King" master_trainer_mike says, "Of ocurse, it can still be used in Unlimited and Limited events." What do you think of that????? `Sensei [ December 12, 2002, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: Pokesensei ] -------------------- •Founding Member of TEAM COMPENDIUM •STS/World`s Judge •Admin of WizPog Right..not blocked that is.At least until I`m overuled by a Gameboy again!-MT Pat smarting after being overuled by a Gameboy. `Sensei is a madman from another dimension!-DMTM From: Out of the Box | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged ShadowCard Member # 2104 posted December 12, 2002 03:15 PM            geez, their making it too easy. Oh well, easier for me as well, i won't complain. -------------------- "And there came a hero who said: Hurt not the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, nor the very fabric of time, but the hero would not prevail...nor would he surrender." Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged Orange Soda Member Member # 19838 posted December 12, 2002 04:35 PM             And I just got my first NG Slowking today... -------------------- I'm crushed. The fans are crushed. Orange Soda is Crushed Orange Soda!~Gengar Orange Soda Online From: University of Missouri-Rolla | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged TimPhlosion Member # 55389 posted December 12, 2002 05:32 PM            I agree with Lizard. Slowking is good, but easily countered. It is not that broken, I wouldn't even place it top 5 MMF. Also, Slowking provided another element in the game: trainer denial. I hate seeing parts of the game just eliminated like that. Also, this is a completely unnecessary banning. After worlds, Slowking seemed unstoppable. However, since then, it has been proven that Slowking has its weaknesses. Slowking, we'll miss you. -------------------- -Tim From: Michigan | Registered: Dec 2001  |  IP: Logged Psychic_Prof Member # 96987 posted December 12, 2002 05:42 PM             Consdiering most decks posted have Slowking in them..and any deck with slowking has a better chance of winning WITHOUT Slowking...AND considering Slowking was mistranslated in the first place...this is a very good move. One sided trainer denial was never meant to be introduced into the game -------------------- Using Archtypes in Pokemon would be like the Iron Chefs making a pepperoni pizza. Creativity sets the elite from the amateur. From: Redwood City Gym, Eureka, CA | Registered: Jul 2002  |  IP: Logged Magby Guru Member Member # 55228 posted December 12, 2002 06:22 PM             I say mayb on this one. The difference between slowking and sneasle is that sneasle was a BROKEN card being used for power, and could pretty much be placed in every deck and kil any pokemon. Also the decks that ran sneasle when they played each other it was whoever got sneasle going first one, unlike slowking where u could get up slowking and ur opponenet wouldnt be THAT hurt. ALso slowking is easier to counter than sneasle, use iggly, magby, muk, a lot of things counter slowking and dont ruin your deck, primarily iggly. Also slowking brought diversity to the enviroment, i mean how else could donphan be played! Light lanturn became a viable deck even! Slowking brought THE MUCH NEEDED CHANGE from a monoarchtype deck like Gatr to a more playable format liek Magic. the banning of this card is just foolish, i mean the set would rotate out anyways. then again, what the japanese say goes. and i've learned that arguing with them on thier opinions is useless, i mean they amde the game, they must knwo waht they are doing. -MG -------------------- "I have an idea! First we gather up all of the Brooks and then we lock them in a box with Sneasle."-DMTM and Big Daddy Snorlax AIM: brOoksy999 Most Tails Flipped In A Row: 39 This is not a democracy, 'RESPECT MY AUTHORATAY!'- Cartman 'Eric will make out with a Gatr if wotc brings back promo evee OHOHO!'-Gustas [tog.online - Your one-stop source for the Pokemon Trading Card Game.] :D From: falls Curch VA | Registered: Dec 2001  |  IP: Logged

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