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Michel
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posted May 05, 2003 02:58 PM
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MTM is in contact with the European offices and will send Prize support to them.
Ultimately it is up to those offices to decide what kind of fan Appreciation or other tournaments they will be doing and how the prizes will be distributed.
FYI he cannot list what that will be because it is not up to him how they will be distributed.
You have not been forgotten by us here in the USA.
Now back to the origial topic please.
DMTM
MTM and DMTM are very clear about the subject.
I've emailed the OP Team in Brussels yesterday and I'm waiting for information.
We already know there will be a FAT in London (lucky UK ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) ).
As soon as we'll have more info about the FAT in Europe, ... or the info that there will be no FAT in Europe, I think we'll may react. Before that, I don't believe it's very useful to talk about something we don't know.
I'll let you know as soon as I have an answer from the European office.
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posted May 05, 2003 03:53 PM
I talked with the italian OP manager Ilja Rotelli, and he told me that there'll be no FAT in Italy - last PK tournament will be Nationals next week.
Tomorrow I'll talk with him on telephone, and I'll ask you where will be putted the prizes sent by MTM (the 1st and 2nd classified prizes will be "ONLY" 1 box = 36 boosters each and 1 trophy, as written on the player packet for Nationals).
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Freddy K
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posted May 06, 2003 06:23 AM
Not wishing to be cynical or materialistic (I'm down to JUDGE at the FAT here...) but is no news necessarilty good news when it comes down to WotC offices outside the US?
![[Frown]](frown.gif) No chance of playing side-by-side with the MTs again, ever...
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ukpokemonpro
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posted May 09, 2003 02:42 PM
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MTM is in contact with the European offices and will send Prize support to them.
Ultimately it is up to those offices to decide what kind of fan Appreciation or other tournaments they will be doing and how the prizes will be distributed.
FYI he cannot list what that will be because it is not up to him how they will be distributed.
You have not been forgotten by us here in the USA.
Now back to the origial topic please.
DMTM
Okay first off you need to read the above properly and note... quote:
MTM is in contact with the European offices and will send Prize support to them.
So not one European Office has anything from the US yet.....
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Ultimately it is up to those offices to decide what kind of fan Appreciation or other tournaments they will be doing and how the prizes will be distributed.
For that read Italy would not cough up the budget to buy the stock for a FAT and Europe are still thinking about it and as for the UK???? well even if the intention is there we know the delivery is suspect .. need proof .. March BZ kits .. not rec'd... April BZ kits .. not rec'd ... May BZ kits .. not rec'd..
We already know the UK is pushed on staff time and for budget and yet the MTs have not just sent the goodies for a FAT anyway.. you can think they have all you like but ...
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MTM is in contact with the European offices and will send Prize support to them.
Looks like the UK's FAT will be run and supported by the Master Professors and Professors again with Prizes and Goodies coming from their stocks...
Do not expect a Pig Pen full of goodies ... but to all you UK fans we love you all and will do our best .. you'll have a great day and some great prizes but no-one here is gonna walk out with a prize list like this:
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1st 1 case each of Neo Destiny, Expedition, Aquapolis, & Skyridge
1000 foil promo cards! (100 each of Professor Elm, Rainbow Energy, and 6 Foil Energies plus 200 assorted foil cards)
Professor Jacket
Professor Polo Shirt
Trophy
Lots of other stuff! (can include complete sets of cards, promo items, sets of oversized cards, and so on)
2nd 4 displays each of Neo Destiny, Expedition, Aquapolis, & Skyridge
500 foil promo cards (50 each of Elm, Rainbow & 6 foil energies, plus 100 assorted foil cards)
Professor Jacket
Professor Polo Shirt
Trophy
Lots of other stuff! (can include complete sets of cards, promo items, sets of oversized cards, and so on)
3rd-4th 2 display each of Neo Destiny, Expedition, Aquapolis, & Skyridge
300 foil promo cards (30 each of Elm, Rainbow & 6 foil energies plus 60 assorted foil cards)
Professor Jacket
Professor Polo Shirt
Trophy
Lots of other stuff! (can include complete sets of cards, promo items, sets of oversized cards, and so on)
5th-8th 1 display each of Neo Destiny, Expedition, Aquapolis, & Skyridge
200 foil promo cards (20 each of Elm, Rainbow & 6 foil energies plus 40 assorted foil cards)
Professor Jacket
Professor Polo Shirt
Lots of other stuff! (can include complete sets of cards, promo items, sets of oversized cards, and so on)
9th-16th 24 boosters each of Neo Destiny, Expedition, Aquapolis, & Skyridge
100 foil promo cards (10 each of Elm, Rainbow & 6 foil energies plus 20 assorted foil cards)
Professor Jacket
Professor Polo Shirt
17th-32nd 12 boosters each of Neo Destiny, Expedition, Aquapolis, & Skyridge
50 foil promo cards (5 each of Elm, Rainbow & 6 foil energies plus 10 assorted foil cards)
Professor Polo Shirt
33rd-64th 8 boosters each of Neo Destiny, Expedition, Aquapolis, & Skyridge
30 foil promo cards (3 each of Elm, Rainbow & 6 foil energies plus 6 assorted foil cards)
Professor Polo Shirt
65th-on 4 boosters each of Neo Destiny, Expedition, Aquapolis, & Skyridge
20 foil promo cards (2 each of Elm, Rainbow & 6 foil energies plus 4 assorted foil cards)
Ask the 1st and 2nd placed profs from European GenCon how they are enjoying their prof jackets and they will tell you...
So no pig pen full of goodies but a real great days play with UK's the best players and profs a real Fan Appreciation Event is right here
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Freddy K
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posted May 09, 2003 03:16 PM
I just don't know what to say, every time I see that huge list of prizes it makes me feel ill. Quite a few US players have been in touch saying how unfair it'll be if things remain the way ukpokémonpro's projected matters. Guess the safe money's with the US market, and that's what's driving this whole thing forward.
Roll on Nintendo, is that the message ukpokémonpro?
Looking forward to the UK's FCPO event in any case as a judge. Someone is to blame somewhere in the world for such disparity.
Jacketless,
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TheGameHHH6662
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posted May 09, 2003 03:35 PM
Yup,here we go again!Been there,done that,bought the tee shirt! I know this will go down like a lead balloon with the WOTC diehards but I for one wont be unhappy to say goodbye to WOTC! We now hear from our contact at WOTC UK (a certain DCI manager)that contrary to what MTM has said he has received NO prize support from that end apart from a few promos.So I'm not sure what happened to all the stuff that was meant to support our fan appreciation event but it's looking increasingly like WOTC have once again stuck two fingers up at the UK players!We have done our best to provide our players with support but us UK profs and master profs cannot keep dipping into our own pockets and collections!Sorry if this post sounds a trifle bitter but when I look at the prize support for the fan appreciation event at Gencon USA and then I look at what Wizards has graciously(!!!)dished out to us in London to support our event the two events are light years apart!This is soon to be the end of a era,but I dont think too many profs/TO's and players in the UK will shed too many tears!! ![[NoNoNo]](graemlins/nonono.gif)
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GymLeaderPhil
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posted May 09, 2003 03:39 PM
I would not start bashing Wizards of the Coast until a list of prizes is presented. Alot of people are pushing for support in Europe, including the Master Trainers. Lets not start another "OMG No Information Being Announced, Lets Kill Them" kind of discussion. WotC, unlike popular beliefs, has business hours.
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Michel
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posted May 09, 2003 04:54 PM
I've called someone of the OP team in Brussels today.
According to what he said, MTM has contacted them asking what they wanted for FAT's in Europe but without info on what was available.
Nothing is decided and until my phone call, there was no plan for other tournaments than Antwerp, except if a local distributor wants to run it.
Besides that, it seems that nobody in Brussels knew which prizes were offered in the USA.
As I've heard a big noize and after that a long silence, I suppose the guy has fallen from his chair when he has seen it ![[ROFL]](graemlins/roflmao.gif)
Local distributors ? My Swedish friends would appreciate that their local distributor canceled the tournament last year because they had to pay for the prizes and would run one this year when the prizes are offered to them
How many local distributors have run qualifiers last year ? And this year ?
It would be unfair to offer them that opportunity !
I've given the following messages for the OP team in Brussels :
- the European community of players deserves FAT and big prizes like the US community does
- now that you have the information, ask MTM to send as much as what he gives at GenCon and Origins
- if WotC Europe don't want to run more events than Antwerp, I'll do it for them in Belgium and I'm sure other Profs will do it in their countries. Give us the prizes for the players, we'll run tournaments with a little participation fee to cover the costs (cheaper than in the USA ![[Wink]](wink.gif) ), and we'll make a lot of players happy
- don't do anything, and the European community will have a big, very big reaction (not a threat, just a forecast of a big storm)
- imagine the money that a players ranked in the top 8 in Indy or at Origins can make with the cards he'll win ... and don't forget that only 2 European qualified will have the opportunity to take that ... and have a lot of fun at GenCon
I think they'll talk about it ... after their first moment of surprize
Wait and see ... again. And once again I've offered the help of our European Profs and Master Profs, even in MTM asks to the US Profs to play at GenCon instead of judging.
I'm sure I'll not be the only one who'll be ready to run and judge a FAT in his country if Wizards doesn't run one.
Ans as I didn't want to pay for the prizes, I haven't proposed more than that ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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TheGameHHH6662
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posted May 09, 2003 05:41 PM
Indeed,WOTC has business hours but during the previous year it did not seem to matter as in the UK it has always been like trying to get an audience with the Pope! And the problem is we HAVE been told what the prize fund is for our FAT in London.....very little!
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posted May 09, 2003 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by TheGameHHH6662:
And the problem is we HAVE been told what the prize fund is for our FAT in London.....very little!
Where? I dont see any official announcements. What you hear from one person is not always verbatim or set in stone. Words get switched around to make the story appeal to an audience. Additionally, I do not think a DCI Manager would allow NDA information to be released to the public.
-Phil
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TheGameHHH6662
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posted May 09, 2003 06:28 PM
Well I guess time will tell....
However,from experience,I gotta tell you,if I was a gambling man I know where I'd be putting my money!
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posted May 09, 2003 06:45 PM
*steps into the midst of the fray*
Okay: as MTM has said many a time in the chat, events in the UK and Europe are up to THOSE offices. I don't think any of the players here in the US can dare say that they know more/better about how things are there than the players there; they've lived through this, and managed to continue to support the game and OP despite all obstacles.
And, if they would like to start a thread discussing the inequality in support...which we asked them to do, so as not to take MTM's thread off-topic...then they have every right to do so, as members of this community. And if they would like to express their frustration at the way things are regarding support, they have every right to do so as long as they do not break the PokeGym Posting Rules and the Wizards.community Online Code of Conduct.
IMHO, unless you have had to deal with the problems they have, I don't think you can say "how they should feel" or if their feelings are "right or wrong" about the situation at hand...and if you are tired of hearing the "complaints" (as I have heard community members state) then may I suggest that you do not read the thread. If a list is publicized later, and it negates what the players have said in this thread, I'm sure all of those involved would be gentlemen enough to acknowledge the fact that they were wrong.
As I've said before: with all the changes facing our game and our community, now, more than ever, we need to stick together...
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posted May 10, 2003 12:36 AM
Thank you Mom for your words of wisdom...
Okay I am only stating what we have heard here on this board and drawing conclusions from it based on previous experience (5 years now) of dealing with the UK and European offices.
I am also basing my comments on what little I know so far of what is happening in the UK. And my concerns on timescales for our FAT and the prize support arriving here in time.
We the UK's Professors have sought out, booked and paid for a venue in London for one of our regular South East Challenges. We the UKs professors together with help from Lee Singleton DCI Organised Play Manager UK set up the prize support with the majority of it coming from the Professors.
WotC UK have provided extra old BZ kits and Promo's from store we have added Plushes, Booster Box Prizes, Lucky Dips, Stickers, etc, etc ..
they look like this
Now here is a WotC event ..
Mmmm spot the difference? We get to advertise, organise and provide prizes for some of the biggest tournaments outside the US and on a scale to compete with the US's biggest SBZ's.
Our FAT will pull in more players than usual but we may find the only impression left by WotC's departure will be one of half delivered; if at all, promises...there is a very long history of not providing support that was starting to be negated until.. no March, No April, No May BZ kits and now NO FAT SUPPORT EITHER... I know Lee Singleton will do his best to help but with 4 weeks to go till London that may not be enough..
NeoPets, Risk, MtG .. nah you're not selling me the idea the WotC give a damn about it's players outside the US ... think I will look to Nintendo after all they haven't failed to deliver yet....
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posted May 10, 2003 01:31 PM
Yes,thanks very much 'mom for stepping in.My apologies if I was getting a trifle heated and you are right in that we DO need to stick together but I do hope that on your side of the pond the players and profs can appreciate the enormous problems we have had to go through in getting ANY kind of support from the UK office! Anyway,that's enough of that as I've got a cold beer waiting for me in the fridge!!
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Michel
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posted May 11, 2003 04:16 AM
Thanks for your post Mom.
I do agree with you on the fact that European questions had nothing to do in the 'Origins and GenCon prizes' post.
That's the reason why I've started this topic.
I understand that some US players are not interested in what happens in Europe. The name of the topic is clear enough, and if they're not interested they may choose not to read it.
With all the changings in the game, I'm sure we'll have to be one and only one community.
Differences in treatment ? If we look at the game from this side of the Atlantic, we feel that the game is a US game made for US players.
Why ? All the main events (STS qualifiers, STS, Worlds, Super BZ, ...) are run in the USA.
We've had qualifiers for the STS in 2001, a few in 2002 and 1 in 2003. One SBZone in the UK, none in the rest of Europe. (please compare that with MtG)
Sets are realeased later in Europe than in the USA (sometimes weeks later and with the intervention of European people, do you remember Expedition ?).
League promos and BZ kits are given later, and even sometimes never given in Europe (where are the year 3 promos ? where's the Hitmonchan best promo ?).
Where do the information come from ? What would be the game in Europe without the web that provides us the infos (decisions, tournaments, rules, sets, ...) through the weekly chat or other channels ?
Other people could add other things to that list, but I prefer to stop here. Sorry, but there are some things I can't say too
We're not moaning, we're asking questions. We try to put some pressure, to do the best we can for our players, for the kids of our leagues, ... and finally for the sales of Wizards in Europe.
We've been accused some time ago to be outlaws because we made grey import, because we've bought Expedition boosters in the USA instead of buying them in Europe.
Wizards has lost money ? Maybe, but the decision of not releasing Expedition was not ours.
Without OP in Europe, wouldn't have Wizards lost more money ? Who keeps OP alive in some countries ? The same outlaws
One last thing before I go to run BattleZone in Brussels this afternoon ... if we do that, if we try to have the same for Europe as what US has, do you know why ? For the kids who love the game, for the kids we meet every week, and for a game we love.
We're not jealous guys, we're happy for you all in the USA, we're happy that you have the opportunity to play in events like Orgins and GenCon, we're happy that you'll have such great prizes.
We just try to have something great to give to our kids too.
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posted May 11, 2003 09:24 AM
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We've been accused some time ago to be outlaws because we made grey import, because we've bought Expedition boosters in the USA instead of buying them in Europe.
Well guess what I am an Outlaw again then .. still no real release date for Skyridge here either so we're importing again.. From the treatment Europe has received it looks like WotC have no concept of the power of the internet and global marketing for a global market.
You can't put us on a different schedule to the rest of the world and think we will take it... we'll just take matters into our own hands and import.. Ruby and Sapphire anyone, e-Card Reader or Skyridge.. all yet to be released here in Europe yet all freely available from the net.
And guess what ... it's cheaper too ...
OUTLAW and PROUD of it.
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"a meaningless title is just that ... meaningless"
"London Super Battlezone 2003"
quote the judge...
'only joking' on misreported match results: DQ Yep its that serious!
14,000 deck boxes yeah we'll take all of them .... what have I done!
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posted May 11, 2003 02:22 PM
I agree with you,even if i want to buy Aquapolis at this time overhere i can't get it.
I hope that our national distributor will do something with the concept for a FAT, worked out by a tournament organiser. Meaby we better go direct to wizards Europe with that plan?
Suggestions?
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Michel
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posted May 11, 2003 04:35 PM
Apolonia,
As (some members of) the OP Team at Wizards Europe has heard of the prizes given in the USA for the first time on Friday afternoon and as it seems they didn't know what MTM meant about prizes for Europe, I think we have to give them time.
I know we're already on May 11, that Wizards will not be involved in Pokemon anymore in a few months, that June is the month of the exams for the kids, that most of the kids are on holidays in July and August, ... but they can't take a decision about FAT in a couple of hours.
The decision has to be taken, prizes asked to MTM, sent by MTM, arrive in Europe, the tournament must be organized, ... honestly I don't see a FAT run very quickly.
I really hope it will not be run in June. Like I said, it's the exam period in different countries (like Belgium). The tournament in Antwerp is organized during the weekend of the Holy Communions in Belgium, and many kids will not have the opportunity to play (my daughter is one of them). It would be stupid to prevent kids of playing a big event one more time for a question of date.
I don't like the idea of FAT run by the local distributors for the reasons I've explained in my previous post. It's just my opinion, and I know it will not influence decisions, but where were the distributors last year and this year when they had to pay for the prizes ? Where have we seen qualifiers in our countries ? The list is very short.
Giving the opportunity to the distributors who were involved in the 2002 qualifiers to run a FAT is OK, they've proven they were involved in OP, but not for the others.
I hope you understand I don't ask to run a FAT myself. I'd prefer to play like the US Profs will do instead of running and judging an event.
But the European kids deserve a last big event with lot of fun and big prizes for each of them.
Tournaments like Antwerp have great prizes ... for the winners. Tournaments like GenCon or Origins have great prizes for everybody.
FAT are run in the USA because Wizards will quit Pokemon. Wizards run these tournaments for the players, as a 'thank you' for all of them.
If Wizards Europe don't want to have the same attitude, it's their decision.
Mine is that, even if I'd find normal that Wizards Europe does the same as Wizards USA (not a question of budget, MTM said that prizes given for Europe were on his budget ), I'll propose to run a FAT myself.
Why ? Simply because our players, kids and adults, have the right to play a last big event, have a great time and go back home with some nice prizes.
I've been lucky enough to play and/or judge Pokemon events in a lot of countries, from Belgium to Hawaii, from England to the USA, in France, Italy, Holland or Spain. Everywhere I've seen the same ... players who loved the game, who had spend a lot of time preparing their decks, training in leagues, collecting cards,... players who have put a lot of money in Wizards cards.
In a lot of posts, and on different topics, I've always said that all the players had to be treaten equally. It's not now that I will change my opinion
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posted May 12, 2003 11:45 PM
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Our FAT will pull in more players than usual but we may find the only impression left by WotC's departure will be one of half delivered; if at all, promises...there is a very long history of not providing support that was starting to be negated until.. no March, No April, No May BZ kits and now NO FAT SUPPORT EITHER... I know Lee Singleton will do his best to help but with 4 weeks to go till London that may not be enough..
Okay I thought I would give you guys and gals the heads up on where we are in the UK.
The Venue is booked, the Judges are ready .. well will be if Freddy stops trying to wriggle out of Judging .. we even hear we may have an esteemed US Master Professor with us?
Lee Singleton has exceeded himself this time and the list of prizes has been sent to the US.
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not a question of budget, MTM said that prizes given for Europe were on his budge
Strange the impression the UK are giving is that a marketing order form has to be completed and that the prizes are coming from the WotC UK Budget?
We UK Master Professors and Professors have added to those prizes too so that there will boosters and other promo's as well as toys, plushes and pokegoodies galore in the prize pile.
It will be a great day because we will make it so, I hope MTM will now deliver on his promises and make sure that the UK's order is expedited and arrives in time for the 14th June 2003.
I can only thank Lee for his help this year, he is working tirelessly to support all the UK's OP for WotC and is often to be found at conventions and tournaments up and down the UK at weekends. We have been frustrated at times by the time delays experienced here in the UK but we also now understand a lot more the pressures and strains Lee has been under.
Thanks again Lee for your help and support... see you on the 20th when we finalise the UK FATs.
FAT UK is GO!
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posted May 14, 2003 02:19 PM
Yes indeedy! Thanks to Lee for supporting our FAT and getting a good list off to MTM.At least somebody in WOTC UK is supporting us.Let's show everybody how the UK does it's tourneys!Especially our visitors from the Pokemon Company so hopefully they will support us when WOTC involvement ends.Looking forward to your judging Freddy!
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posted May 16, 2003 04:57 PM
Some news ...
Prizes have been ordered to Wizards USA by the European office in Brussels.
MTM will send the prizes (jackets, foil cards, ...) for the Fan Appreciation Tournament.
The FAT will be run in Antwerp on May 31.
Yup, the FAT and the Stadium Challenge will be the same tournament.
No other FAT should be run in Europe.
(Bad news for my daughter and all the other kids who will not be in Antwerp because they have their Communion or exams to prepare during that week end. I'm sad for them that such a great adventure ends in such a bad way ).
There will be, of course, the FAT in London ... see the other posts, and don't forget that UK is not far from our countries.
Unfortunately that FAT is run in the middle of the exam period for a lot of European kids !
Pokemon a kid's game ? If it is, the dates of the major events should be chosen according to the kid's obligations. Would a MtG Pro Tour be run on Dec 24 ? ![[Dubious]](graemlins/dubious.gif)
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posted May 16, 2003 10:41 PM
Any list available?
I may need to win another jacket, WotC-UK have lost mine... silly people ![[Bored]](graemlins/dozey.gif)
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posted May 16, 2003 11:42 PM
Michel,
London was planned by the SE Challenge board not WotC and we did it based on when we could get the venue and it being 3 months since our last big tourney.
However we have been talking to WotC UK for Months and yet the prize support is still not guaranteed to arrive before the 14th.
Not only that it is clear the MTM does not want to call the events Fan Appreciation Tourneys outside the US as he knows the prize support will be thinner than an anorexic on a diet when compared to the US SBZs let alone the FATs.
If the US fails to get the promo prize support to the UK on time as we suspect may happen based on previous experience, then they truely have shown how much the deserved to lose the license for Pokemon.
We will supply as much prize support as we can but the our pig pen will not be full of the tasty swill enjoyed in the US.
Prove us wrong and deliver ... but with MTM stating that UK and Europe have no FATs so that a lack of delivery on prize support does not reflect back on WotC I see that we are already being prepared for the bad news.
WotC have lost and delaid promos in transit from the states so many times that we find it hard to understand how we manage to get imported goods from the US at all?
Perhaps WotC should ship via the same methods we use to get Skyridge from the US... Fedex ship them next day for not much cost at all...
But then again I daresay project NeoPets is taking up time now and sticking prizes in the post just doesn't seem so sexy does it?
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"a meaningless title is just that ... meaningless"
"London Super Battlezone 2003"
quote the judge...
'only joking' on misreported match results: DQ Yep its that serious!
14,000 deck boxes yeah we'll take all of them .... what have I done!
Find the Pokemon League and Tournaments in Kent at:The Gamers Guild
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NoPoke
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posted May 16, 2003 11:52 PM
USA say "no FATs outside of the USA"
I guess we don't exist
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[ May 16, 2003, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: NoPoke ]
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ukpokemonpro
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posted May 17, 2003 02:32 AM
Freddy in terms of a list of cards and prizes available may I refer you to Thurdays Chat for that..
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Ben, please stop asking these specific sorts of questions
Or should that be questions on the specifics?
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"a meaningless title is just that ... meaningless"
"London Super Battlezone 2003"
quote the judge...
'only joking' on misreported match results: DQ Yep its that serious!
14,000 deck boxes yeah we'll take all of them .... what have I done!
Find the Pokemon League and Tournaments in Kent at:The Gamers Guild
From: Gillingham, Kent, UK | Registered: Feb 2001
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