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Pachirisu is overrated

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ZAKtheGeek said:
That would just never happen. Even if you decide that you want to try and let it get KO'd, obviously you would retreat if your opponent just took their time setting up, and certainly if they started sniping. You're not locked into your initial plan.
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I understand that you can always retreat Pachirisu, but if Magmortar lv.X KOs the Delcatty/Kirlia on your bench while your Pachirisu is active doing nothing, you are definitely put at a disadvantage and might not be able to follow up with a KO on the Magmortar lv.X the next turn. If you do retreat the Pachirisu on T3 and start attacking, it takes up a spot on your bench, which can be really bad for Magmortar decks where they need space for multiple Magmortar/Delcatty/Typhlosion/Claydol/whatever else they are running.

Sure, GG can't snipe that much, but after turn 3, you have to retreat to accomplish anything, since Pachirisu won't be doing anything. If you don't, they can Furret and setup everything quickly and maybe turn the game in their favor.

ZAKtheGeek said:
But, to some extent, this could be sort of a "self-fulfilling prophecy." If you knew Pachi was going to see a lot of play, would you dare run a Tool that needed to stick? It's unlikely.
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You may be right, but before GE came out, how many tools were played anyways? I remember seeing some rogue decks running Buffer Pieces, but I never saw GG run anything other than Strength Charm and Magmortar not much of any tool. A lot of people adored Pachirisu because of these situations that would never occur. "Pachirisu can do 80 to a Wailord with a leftovers on it!" But you won't face a Wailord deck in the top cut!

ZAKtheGeek said:
But, really now, practically any starter effect exists in a trainer. The problem is, will you have that trainer early game? Plus, those trainers are usually supporters, so you have to budget your usage of them.
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With Stantler/Chingling, you will have that supporter early game. With Pachirisu, there is no guarantee. You could grab all your basics and just sit there and lose the game. With Stantler/Chingling, you at least have a chance to use that supporter and stay in the game.

Again, I appreciate any constructive, intelligent comments posted in this thread.
 
* ·Chingling (Mysterious Treasures – Psychic – 42)-Terrible. Low HP
* ·Girafarig (Mysterious Treasures – Colorless – 49)-Terrible-Oh wow you got a Trainer-OMG
* ·Lapras (Great Encounters – Water – 21)-Good for Water Decks. Totally agree with you when it comes to water decks.
* ·Mawile (Crystal Guardians – Metal – 9)-Terrible-Read Girafarig
* ·Stantler (Secret Wonders – Colorless – 113)-Decent.-Ok you got a supporter? Your opponent just got 3 Basics. He's outspeeding you.
So a card that grabs supporters is better than a card that grabs 3 basics and makes it so you can make room in your deck for other things? Pachi can be used to replace basic getting supporters and Windstorms. Getting 3 Basics is just sooo helpful in any deck that runs 2 different lines of pokemon and/or Cladol/*Insert Tech here*
 
wow, i don't believe you had the guts to post that. More importantly i can' believe i just read threw half of that. Or even clicked on this.

The thing that is so good about Pachirisu i that is has made a very annoying card useless, Cess. Crystal. The reason you didn't see Cess. Crystal is because Pachi is around. I can guarantee you there are a few cards that could be ran as T2 deck like Banette, and Lucario. Now players are starting to play stadiums even with the limited amount we have.

Do you know why the holon engine was so effective? I do, here is why. You played 4 MENTOR and 4 Transceiver to get that T1 or T2 mentor start. What does Mentor do? Grab 3 basic pokemon. What does Pachirisu do, the same. The thing you have to take into consideration is that it pulls out 3 specific cards of your deck, the base if you will. You can't evolve into a Delcatty or Magenton if you go second because you have to waste the supporter turn in Mentor or Roseanne's or Celio's. With Pachi you can get those 3 basics if you go first.

A perfect example of why Pachi is more effective than any trainer is this, yesterday in top 8. I lost my first game. So i got to choose who went first. Opening hand was Delcatty, Pachi, energy, celio, energy and something else. I choose to go first, why so I could get the energy drop advantage and evolution advantage. I had my whole set up in my Tsunami deck by T3 thanks to Pachirisu. Could I do it with out the Pachurisi, yes I won't argue that. But it's a whole lot harder and uses up more of your supporters/trainers early in the game so late in the game you don't have those anymore. So instead of saving a Roseanne's to get 2 basic energy so I can double energy draw with Delcatties later in the game I have to get 2 basic pokemon to start off my deck.

Most decks have started running 4 Pachi, 4 Celio and 3+ Roseanne's for improved consistency. G/G is an exception since Furret is the best play for that deck. Still putting 1 Pachi or 2 in that deck isn't a bad play.

70 HP for a basic is not bad. If your worried about Blaziken or Magmortar sniping it off then you have some issues. Why would they hit a Pachirisu and open up a bench space for you to use? Woudln't they rather hit something else? Speaking about bench space, you are right about it taking up a bench space, in matches vs. Magmortar it really hurts me and it's what makes that matchup a little bit more even. The Tsunami vs. Magmortar matchup that is, as you have to KO their Pachi and they can just play around yours. Unless you play like Warp point or something, which I can't fit into my Tsunami list. So there is not way around it at least for me.

Vs. G/G you can start hitting their Furret really quick hoping to get that thing down to 60HP left so they can't bring down your delcatties/claydols/magnetons and your own pachirisu. So that again is not a valid argument.


Like mentioned before, decks right now are running multiple lines. Tsunami, need a big bench to play effectively, so right away you get 1 of each of your lines. 1 Skitty, 1 Magnemite and 1 Totodile, the difference between 2 (Tauros (CG), any other that grabs 2) and 3 is so huge. If you have the evolution of either one of your 3 in your deck you can get all 3 right away. With Tauros you can't. So say you top deck, a Magneton and you didn't grab it with Tauros because you weren't planning for it. You have to wait a turn to evolve that pokemon. Which could be Wager back into the deck. Not the case with Pachi.

Anything else that I missed?
 
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I used it 3 times in one game against Cessation Crystal and that was the difference between losing and winning.
 
I used smash short against several decks to get out of a cc lock. Its also great against Empoleon, Gatr and other water pkmn to set up a 2hko.
 
Chriscobi: That was one reason why the holon engine was so good. Another reason it was so good was that it had options. You could Mentor, then next turn Adventurer and draw 3-4 cards. Pachirisu isn't like the holon engine. You don't have options. You grab basics and then sit there and do nothing.

You are right that there were some T2 decks around cities, but none of them did as well as GG and Magmortar/Typhlosion/Delcatty. Even T2 Magmortar wasn't as good as the Magmortar seen now. So, even though Cessation Crystal COULD have been played at States, it wouldn't have made a difference because it didn't work for cities against GG and Magmortar and wouldn't work for States either.

Getting the T2 Delcatty isn't as important as it once was IMHO. There aren't as many speed decks, and decks take a while to setup now. Sure, T2 Delcatty is optimal, but not as 100% necessary as it once was IMHO.

Pachirisu is decent in swiss, when you face rogue decks, but it becomes a lot less useful in the top cut, when most decks are just GG and Magmortar and aren't as susceptible to Smash Short.

It's great to hear that some people have found a use in it. I'm happy that Pachirisu's second attack hasn't been a complete dud for everyone.
 
hectagonman said:
* ·Chingling (Mysterious Treasures – Psychic – 42)-Terrible. Low HP
* ·Girafarig (Mysterious Treasures – Colorless – 49)-Terrible-Oh wow you got a Trainer-OMG
* ·Lapras (Great Encounters – Water – 21)-Good for Water Decks. Totally agree with you when it comes to water decks.
* ·Mawile (Crystal Guardians – Metal – 9)-Terrible-Read Girafarig
* ·Stantler (Secret Wonders – Colorless – 113)-Decent.-Ok you got a supporter? Your opponent just got 3 Basics. He's outspeeding you.
So a card that grabs supporters is better than a card that grabs 3 basics and makes it so you can make room in your deck for other things? Pachi can be used to replace basic getting supporters and Windstorms. Getting 3 Basics is just sooo helpful in any deck that runs 2 different lines of pokemon and/or Cladol/*Insert Tech here*
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Chingling, I can agree with you on. It has low HP, and Stantler's better.

Girafarig, I don't. A Trainer can be very good. How about a Candy? That can win games.

Lapras, I agree. Best Starter for Water decks, but nothing else.

Mawhile, you got it wrong. It can get a Supporter, a Trainer, or a Stadium, as it is pre-DP. At least this is what I have been told.

Stantler, I have to disagree. That Wager or Ceilio's can be the difference between winning and losing. Personly, I think it's the best Starter we've got. You're opponent wants to get three Basics? Go ahead - I've probally already have a Ralts on my Bench, and even if I don't, I can Lead for a Roseanne's. They can get two more Basics. Now, I use that Supporter I got last turn, get a Gardy/lade, Candy Ralts, attach a DRE, he should already have an Energy on him from Ralts-hood, send him up, KO. They bring up a random Basic like Magmar, they do 20 to me, I lol at him, KO. Repeat. Of course, I won't always have a Candy and DRE in your hand at the same time, but you have 4 of each. So, I think that I can, hopefully, get up a Gallade by T4 at the latest with Stantler, when with Pachi you're relying on topdecking the evolutions or Suporters you need.
 
On the comment that Pachi can replace windstorms, I actually disagree. Pachi cannot remove stadiums, which someone in this thread said was on the up and up play-wise. Pachi cannot remove tools on the bench, and unless there is a tool attached to the active Pokemon, Pachi can't remove tools in the opponent's hand. How many decks actually needed Windstorm recently? Pachi replaces windstorms...big whoop.
 
Oh right about Mawile sorry. About your other stuff, I start with pachi. you start with whatever garbage starter you want to. You get Candy/ SO CALLED game winning supporter. I get 3 basics. I have 3 different options to setup/attack(If I get Baltoy and draw/Celio into a Claydol Wager is useless) You have 1 option from your starter to do whatever. Hopefully getting Gallade by T4 is garbage. GETTING Gallade by T4 is a good.

Prime: I'm one of those Stadium Players. So if they have a stadium out, I'll just replace it.
And if there isn't a tool on the active, why on earth would you need to get it out of your opponents hand?
 
Again, what decks actually run tools that stay around for more than 1 turn?

Wait...

What decks...that actually win tournaments...run tools that stay around for more than 1 turn?

Talk about beating a dead horse.
 
I think pachi is good becuase it can get you set up by your turn 2. If you go first then you can get 3 basic and evo next turn.
 
I'll test out Pachi in my G&G, but really. Three Ralts T1. Nothing T2. Nothing T3. Oh, right, my Pachi has just been KOed by their Gallade! Now, I put up my Ralts, yet I might not have Ceilio's! So, they proceed to win. Now, if I used Stantler, I might have stood more of a chance, because most G&G lists only use 3 Ceilio's, and it takes up space to use more. G&G dosen't need Pachi. Pachi is overated. Prime is right.
 
Arceus999 said:
I'll test out Pachi in my G&G, but really. Three Ralts T1. Nothing T2. Nothing T3. Oh, right, my Pachi has just been KOed by their Gallade! Now, I put up my Ralts, yet I might not have Ceilio's! So, they proceed to win. Now, if I used Stantler, I might have stood more of a chance, because most G&G lists only use 3 Ceilio's, and it takes up space to use more. G&G dosen't need Pachi. Pachi is overated. Prime is right.
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But what if there are a lot of Absol played.
You use Stantler, they can discard that Supporter and as a bonus another card.
I depends really on what decks/builds you expect to face if you make a choise which starter you might use.
 
hectagonman said:
Hello? Furret is the starter in GG
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Acually, these are the Starters for G&G:

Stantler
Senret/Furret
Absol
Pachirisu

There is more then one Starter for G&G, and just to let you know, I don't think a Stage 1 can really be a Starter.

Rainbowgym said:
But what if there are a lot of Absol played.
You use Stantler, they can discard that Supporter and as a bonus another card.
I depends really on what decks/builds you expect to face if you make a choise which starter you might use.
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Absol is still played? Wow. I thought it died out with GE. But yeah, IF there is alot of Absol in your area, Absol is the best Starter for G&G. BUT Absol isn't really played any more...
 
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