Basic Energy were all printed in POP 9. Besides, since Darkness and Metal have been re-introduced as Basic Energy cards, I don't see them going away at any time. The Basic Energy cards will always be legal.
Is the TCG going downhill?
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Basic Energy were all printed in POP 9. Besides, since Darkness and Metal have been re-introduced as Basic Energy cards, I don't see them going away at any time. The Basic Energy cards will always be legal.
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What is "ruining" this format is entirely relative.
From my point of view, it's Claydol that has and will continue to "ruin" this format.
It's excessive draw cards and less search cards that are ruining this format.
It's the inflation of damage that is ruining this format.
It's the donks that are ruining this format.
Ehm you're aware of the fact that Claydol is the only thing that keeps non g / donk decks running?
Try playing Flygon without Claydol ...
afstandopleren
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try playing ANY Stage 2 deck without Claydol in the current format. You know when ur screwed if your opponent plays SP. with PS
You make this sound so easy, the problem is that you often wont have powers to use except the claydol you somehow managed to get out. And without CP 4 turns become very long :/
afstandopleren
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Well, I don't know about you, but if your main source of draw is being cut off for 4 turns and you aren't topdecking into something else, then you are pretty much screwed. So what did you say again about not-top-tiers 'wasting' sprays? It prevents you from setting up. PERIOD
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Look at the new Front Page Article to see my thoughts on card drawing and power usage in the current format.
Reading all of these comments, and differing opinions, it really does seem that every card has a way that it can be countered. I guess that what many players find frustrating is that there are so many powerful cards/decks, that its almost impossible for one single deck to counter all of the possibilities. To me that keeps the game interesting - always trying to make a deck just that little bit better.
corrupti0n
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Unown G is ruining the game. No status conditions to deal with eliminates a huge chunk of the game...
afstandopleren
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That's why Powers are now becoming popular to bypass the Unown G. Cards like this are: Skuntank G and Blaziken PL.
Now all we need is a way to decrease the number of damage counters put by an attack like Shadow Room.
Now all we need is a way to decrease the number of damage counters put by an attack like Shadow Room.
corrupti0n
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Yeah, the power status conditions are certainly fun, but cards like Dustox and Beautifly get no play in the meta because Unown G shuts them down. Whats the fun in that if you can't watch your opponent drown in status conditions lol
gashmoigidy
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Unown g does ruin some rogue decks, but without it the format would be the worst ever. absolutely no one would play SP's, which have the deck with the most thought process involved in the format. The metagame would become dumbed-down and very boring, with even more donks than before. That's not what I want.
corrupti0n
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True, but after Gengar, Machamp, and unown G get rotated out, the meta game will open up a lot more. Those donk cards will be out after the format changes to PL-ON. It wont happen next year though unfortunately lol
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Honestly, here's the thing that PCL understands, that the general population doesn't.
The game changes, and if the players don't adjust to it then we will have a bad format.
They have provided us with the cards to counter what is popular. For example, UNTIL WORLDS, we never saw a deck like Blissey/Cessation/Beach or Toxicroak/Scizor hit the main stream. It takes a little creativity, but it proved to be successful. The result was a stale metagame where Plox dominated, because too few people actually wanted to counter the deck even though it was proven that it could be done effectively. Instead, we had about 3+ months of constant bickering about how broken Gardy/Gallade were.
This year, SP decks are taking over. Rather than adjusting, we are complaining, once again. Yes, they are over powered, yes power spray is broken. BUT, why don't we look back at some of the older cards and adjust just like the top Worlds players did last year? Pachirisu to help setup and stop Energy Gain abuse, Chatot to help recover from Mesprit lock and failed Uxie drops, Alakazam to stop opposing Luxray drops/other powers, Dusknoir to control the bench, Vire X to eliminate stadium and Tool abuse, Volkners as an alternate source of draw power, Cynthias for comeback power, Furrett for search power without using Poke-Powers etc.
These are just some of the older cards that have been forgotten. I don't know how many Spray'd Uxies and Claydols it's gonna take some people to realize that maybe their old setup system just isn't going to work as efficiently anymore and they need to think outside of the box.
Setup decks are just as viable as SP decks, you just have to think outside of the box.
The game changes, and if the players don't adjust to it then we will have a bad format.
They have provided us with the cards to counter what is popular. For example, UNTIL WORLDS, we never saw a deck like Blissey/Cessation/Beach or Toxicroak/Scizor hit the main stream. It takes a little creativity, but it proved to be successful. The result was a stale metagame where Plox dominated, because too few people actually wanted to counter the deck even though it was proven that it could be done effectively. Instead, we had about 3+ months of constant bickering about how broken Gardy/Gallade were.
This year, SP decks are taking over. Rather than adjusting, we are complaining, once again. Yes, they are over powered, yes power spray is broken. BUT, why don't we look back at some of the older cards and adjust just like the top Worlds players did last year? Pachirisu to help setup and stop Energy Gain abuse, Chatot to help recover from Mesprit lock and failed Uxie drops, Alakazam to stop opposing Luxray drops/other powers, Dusknoir to control the bench, Vire X to eliminate stadium and Tool abuse, Volkners as an alternate source of draw power, Cynthias for comeback power, Furrett for search power without using Poke-Powers etc.
These are just some of the older cards that have been forgotten. I don't know how many Spray'd Uxies and Claydols it's gonna take some people to realize that maybe their old setup system just isn't going to work as efficiently anymore and they need to think outside of the box.
Setup decks are just as viable as SP decks, you just have to think outside of the box.
^- I've tried every single one of those cards, it doesnt work, SP is too strong :/
And how exactly would you run a setup deck without claydol? Not a good diea, wont work either... :/
Kazam is too slow and discarding 2 cards is like serving them yourh ead on a silver plate, chatot is fun but thats it because you use mimci and they beat your bench to a pulk. Vire is too slow and vulnerable unless you run it as an entire deck and then it looses to everything else. And Pachirisu really is a joke, I've play Legos against Decks with Pachi countless times, it never hits you if you play smart. I know I sound like DP here but I mean it, I sometimes played without using gain at all.... Still was easy mostly :/
And how exactly would you run a setup deck without claydol? Not a good diea, wont work either... :/
Kazam is too slow and discarding 2 cards is like serving them yourh ead on a silver plate, chatot is fun but thats it because you use mimci and they beat your bench to a pulk. Vire is too slow and vulnerable unless you run it as an entire deck and then it looses to everything else. And Pachirisu really is a joke, I've play Legos against Decks with Pachi countless times, it never hits you if you play smart. I know I sound like DP here but I mean it, I sometimes played without using gain at all.... Still was easy mostly :/
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