By the way... Gengar prime has Pure Power.. with Litterally swept pokemon for an ENTIRE YEAR!
I have one for you, bannette, discard everything, and move 7 damage to gengar prime, then sweep with it's attack
By the way... Gengar prime has Pure Power.. with Litterally swept pokemon for an ENTIRE YEAR!
Thank god, discarding your hand with no constant draw system and a poor field leads you to winning. Somebodies found a way to win against gengar....barring they run only 2 energy. :thumb:I have one for you, bannette, discard everything, and move 7 damage to gengar prime, then sweep with it's attack
that wont be of much use. lookers is way better then that making your opponent shuffle thier hand. this way if they dont have pokemon you can put some more for them. banette wont be consistent though because your discarding your entire hand. and once again lookers or judge
I have one for you, bannette, discard everything, and move 7 damage to gengar prime, then sweep with it's attack
And then you get to flip for gengars power.... and guess what you're now in the lost zone. Unsless the wording is changed
Because the way the current order is
you knock gengar out
you flip for power
tails you go to lostzone... Cause gengar prime is still active when you're knocked out, so.... to the lost zone both shuppet and banny go... Thats 2 outta 6
And then you get to flip for gengars power.... and guess what you're now in the lost zone. Unsless the wording is changed
Because the way the current order is
you knock gengar out
you flip for power
tails you go to lostzone... Cause gengar prime is still active when you're knocked out, so.... to the lost zone both shuppet and banny go... Thats 2 outta 6
But that's a completely different mechanic. Switching the Pokemon with a hit and run type of effect is something that happens during the attack phase, and before KO's are resolved. Promoting a new Pokemon is something that happens after KOs are resolved. The check for Gengar SF being Knocked Out and the check for Fainting Spell happen at the same time at the end of the Attack Phase. Gengar Prime would be promoted after that, thus no Lost Zone.Q. What happens if I Knock Out my opponent's Gengar using some kind of hit & run attack, but I bring up Glaceon Lv.X with the "Chilly Breath" Poke-BODY that shuts down Poke-Powers?
A. The Chilly Breath would shut off Gengar's Fainting Spell before it would have a chance to be used. (Jan 15, 2009 PUI Rules Team)
Gengar SF has a self referencing Power that says 'Once during your opponent's turn, if [This Pokemon] would be knocked out by damage from an opponent's attack, you may flip a coin. If heads, the Defending Pokemon is Knocked Out.'
Banette PL's Darkness Switch attack is a 'Put" type of attack as it switches damage from Banette to the defending Pokemon (it doesn't do 'X' damage to the Pokemon) which would never trigger Gengar SF's Poke Power in the first place.
In a situation where Gengar SF is KO'd by damage, promoting the Gengar Prime after both KO's have been resolved isn't going to send the Pokemon that offed Gengar to the Lost Zone. I'm familiar with this ruling which I assume everyone is basing this silliness on:
But that's a completely different mechanic. Switching the Pokemon with a hit and run type of effect is something that happens during the attack phase, and before KO's are resolved. Promoting a new Pokemon is something that happens after KOs are resolved. The check for Gengar SF being Knocked Out and the check for Fainting Spell happen at the same time at the end of the Attack Phase. Gengar Prime would be promoted after that, thus no Lost Zone.
I don't see how experienced players, and even Professors, are getting these wrong.
the reason i said 7 was because it has 80 hpAnd then you get to flip for gengars power.... and guess what you're now in the lost zone. Unsless the wording is changed
Because the way the current order is
you knock gengar out
you flip for power
tails you go to lostzone... Cause gengar prime is still active when you're knocked out, so.... to the lost zone both shuppet and banny go... Thats 2 outta 6
Food for thought here. I have spoke with a Japanese man whom goes to my league, and often converses with different Japanese players, so as to see what is big over there. Now, this is all fine and dandy, but in passing conversation, I asked him if Gengar Prime is played a lot over there. He said that it is, and that it's good. But only good when it gets that "theorymon" hand if you will.
Now, I don't know about you, but Gengar Prime is held back by way to much to be the BDIF, let alone tier one. This is just my own things that I learned on 2chan, different Japanese players, and the man I mentioned earlier. In short, do not expect it to trounce SP, T-Tar. In fact, I see it being played for a Cities, and dying out, much like VileGar was.
Does this make sense to you, it doesn't deserve the hype that it gets. Of course, I am basing this off of Japan's own ideas, but let's face it, they've had the cards longer, so they may know a bit more than us.