pokemonforever
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Lost World was lost in print production. My Giratina ate it. It should skip being printed in a set and just go straight to league promo.
What is "the play" for Pokemon USA regarding Lost world?
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Why would you be playtesting against a card that we were speculating not getting to begin with? Almost as soon as the card came out in Japan, people figured that we were probably not going to get it. I'm not entirely shocked that we're not getting the card. We see what it is doing with Japan's format, and if someone comes up with a perfect build of the deck, it would be like Gardylade all over again, and then people would complain!
Honestly, people weren't going to be happy if the card was printed. Of course they aren't going to be happy now that it isn't.
kd0220437
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I really don't see why you think it won't be good? You have so many cards that came out in this set to give support to it. Twins is amazing, as well as Hunter/Seeker. You don't have to knock out Pokemon, so while your opponent does damage, you get to search for whatever you want. Saying that it won't be good is just a dumb remark.
How can you say it won't beat SP? Seeker adds at least one PKMN to your hand, and you will lose your Lv.X's in hand because of Gengar's RIDICULOUS attack!
The deck as a whole will not take any skill to play, it will be set up Gengar, rip Pokemon from the hand, Drop stadium and win(wash, rinse, and repeat). It is that easy. People are talking about it, because it is GG like in the since that it WILL dominate the format once it is a playable deck.
Deoxys Cool Form
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If it does beat SP (which from testing it didn't that well) they'll just play Absol G Lv.X. You can't knock it out, while they're OHKOing a Gengar Prime every turn.
Cardzmaster2004
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Could we see the cards we're missing released as a promo set?
I know we're missing more than just Lost Zone from the set and it seems like all cards cut deal specifically with the Lost Zone. Both Magic and YGO release certain sets of cards in mini-sets at least once or twice a year (see Championship Boxes for YGo and From the Vault sets for MtG). Could we later this year (maybe around the Holidays) see these cut cards released in a promo box for MSRP of $20? This seems perfectly viable to me...
~Cardz.
I know we're missing more than just Lost Zone from the set and it seems like all cards cut deal specifically with the Lost Zone. Both Magic and YGO release certain sets of cards in mini-sets at least once or twice a year (see Championship Boxes for YGo and From the Vault sets for MtG). Could we later this year (maybe around the Holidays) see these cut cards released in a promo box for MSRP of $20? This seems perfectly viable to me...
~Cardz.
I think they will all just be cards in a set that comes out in Feburary that is a mix of those and promos and other random stuff that acts as a filler before the first black and white set comes out.
LegendaryLugia
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That would be a first for pokemon (I think). I think what's more likely is they'll make a filler set (like PK) with all the leftover cards, promos and some new exclusives. This has already been mentioned on another thread but I don't think it's been mentioned on this one.
kd0220437
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Okay then I play Twins and respond immediately, or I could tech in Machamp. The deck has SOOOOOOO many possibilities.
pokemonforever
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Shh!! You're giving them marketing ideas!! :tongue: Next thing you know, they'll be putting select cards as 3-pk blister promos. 14 different promos for 14 different purchases..gotta catch them all! Go to a Target or WalMart near you only to find that they aren't stocked yet...*still mad at Charizard blisters and rekindled fuming from SW RH cards*
DarthPika
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DonphanAtoZ
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Yeah, stop the madness. no promos please, unless they print 300,000,000 of them.
Porii Sames
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Ah, why bother.
I don't really care about Lost World, so I could care less how it gets released.
If they just release Lost World without the other cards as a promo, it'll stick out as a sore :thumb:, so maybe a P!P set?
supertyranitar
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I gotta be honest here, I love how many people are going crazy over this ONE card.
I don't mind that it was not in the set. Not in the slightest. Not that Gengar will cause the end of humanity as we know it anyway, but, I'm sure that TPCi will release it in the February set. They have no reason to not release it - as to what they release as, however, whether it be a rare, uncommon, or anything higher than that, will be the more interesting thing to see.
Just test it more people. That's how I look at it. More time to test it, more time to see it flop. ;/
I don't mind that it was not in the set. Not in the slightest. Not that Gengar will cause the end of humanity as we know it anyway, but, I'm sure that TPCi will release it in the February set. They have no reason to not release it - as to what they release as, however, whether it be a rare, uncommon, or anything higher than that, will be the more interesting thing to see.
Just test it more people. That's how I look at it. More time to test it, more time to see it flop. ;/
ShadowGuard
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Even as a player / judge who has a critical view to some decisions of TPCi, I can say they did the very best they could do. They looked ahead and saved our metagame, which wasn't even their responsibility.
About the players who playtested with Lost World - nobody told them to do so. Nobody told them Lost World would be in the set, and it was known that some cards are cut from the English set. And to be honest, it's City Championships, not Nationals. No need to test more than one month in advance.
About those who wanna tell us Lost World wouldn't be that bad. Sorry, but if all the Japanese players and even some well-known US players like Ruiner say it actually is that bad, I'll trust them. We don't need a format where nothing but Gengar, SP and anti-Gengar-decks have a chance to survive. That would be just like Plox, Magmortar and maybe Banette, but even worse. There are so many viable cards in the set (Magnezone, Machamp, Nidoking, Dialga & Palkia etc) that all would have been made unplayable if Lost World was there.
About the players who playtested with Lost World - nobody told them to do so. Nobody told them Lost World would be in the set, and it was known that some cards are cut from the English set. And to be honest, it's City Championships, not Nationals. No need to test more than one month in advance.
About those who wanna tell us Lost World wouldn't be that bad. Sorry, but if all the Japanese players and even some well-known US players like Ruiner say it actually is that bad, I'll trust them. We don't need a format where nothing but Gengar, SP and anti-Gengar-decks have a chance to survive. That would be just like Plox, Magmortar and maybe Banette, but even worse. There are so many viable cards in the set (Magnezone, Machamp, Nidoking, Dialga & Palkia etc) that all would have been made unplayable if Lost World was there.
platapierule
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Maybe they will mail a playset to every single person with a POP ID.
I find this post to be quite funny. I don't have an opinion either way if the mechanic was broken or not, but I want to dissect this post.
When have "all" the japanese players said anything about the mechanic? Or are you basing this logic on the rumored winning decks in Japan? You do know that the tournaments in Japan can often time be different than the tournaments here, right? For example, tournaments in Japan often use 30-card decks with 3 prizes. I'm not sure if you can make a strong case about a mechanic being vastly overpowered just by a few tournament statistics, especially if it isn't as indepth as the ones found in the tournament section of this forum. If all your basing your information on is a few tidbits that the deck has won a few tournaments over there, then I think your statement is uneducated. I also fall back to my first question, when have multiple Japanese players come onto this forum within the past year and told us that the Lost World mechanic is vastly overpowered?
Also, Ruiner is a good player. Sure, I'd trust him too. But he is just one player, who will have a singular experience with the deck. There have been other good players come online and state different opinions. Why only trust the one guy who supports your argument? Can you not trust the other good players' opinions?
Which other well-known US players have come online to state similar comments about the mechanic? I thought many of those players stayed away from the PokeGym.
This is kind of comical to me because the format for Battle Roads pretty much was either SP or anti-SP. When I say anti-SP, I don't mean just Machamp or Mewtwo Lv.X. I mean fast stage 2's with 1-energy cost attacks that can keep up with the speed of SP. You're saying that you don't want to see a format where the only viable decks are SP (check), Gengar (hey look, a new addition), and anti-Gengar decks (pretty much the same as anti-SP decks for BRs). You don't want to see a format with 3 options compared to the 2 options we had for BRs? I don't get what you're saying unless you felt the format for BRs to be much more wide than how I perceived it.
From my viewpoint, I've noticed that many times, a good 90% of the pokemon in a set never sees competitive success in tournaments. There's a very good chance that the Pokemon you mention above will still see no success at Cities, even in a format without Lost World.
Think about it. If Lost World was printed, using your logic, the format would be dominated by a stage 2 "set-up" deck that takes a handful of turns to setup and win the game. I consider Gengar Lost World deck as a set-up deck because you have to setup multiple stage 2's, perform a specific strategy that doesn't involve just dealing big damage, and then playing a few specific trainers or stadiums to finish the combo off. Without Lost World, the format is going to be dominated by the same decks that dominated BRs, SP decks and Stage 2 decks with 1-energy attacks, that will get setup and start taking prizes on Turn 2 (maybe even turn 1 if going second). How do stage 2's like Magnezone, Machamp, and especially 3-4 energy attacking Nidoking survive in a faster format?
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Again, I have no opinion in the matter. I'm not educated enough to be able to give an informed statement about the ability of Lost World on the format, and I really recommend others in a similar state as I to also withhold their comments because it only creates an artificial scare in the game when a bunch of players with no experience start shouting rumors and everyone thinks they are knowledgeable and start spreading those rumors around as facts.
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ShadowGuard
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On the one side, there are results, yes. On the other side, friends of mine have talked to Japanese players at Worlds.
Uhm... ff Lost World is already that strong with 3 or 4 prizes, how overpowered would it be in a format with 6 prizes?
Vilegar isn't actually an "anti-SP-aimed" deck. But yes, the format wasn't the best. However, Battle Roads are not competitive tournaments, and many players come up with tier 2 decks, making the format still interesting. It has been a huge difference between normal Battle Roads, where a lot of Charizard, Steelix and other decks are around in the same amount as Luxchomp, and the Prague Cup, where there was almost only SP and anti-SP at the front tables.
For City Championships, I expect new cards like Twins or Rescue Energy to make the format more interesting and boost non-SP-decks. Exspecially Twins helps slower decks to keep up. But none of the setup decks would have a chance against Lost World Gengar.
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