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How can you hate rules that a. don't affect you and b. you don't even know HOW they'll affect you IF they were implemented over here right now...........
Japan's New Format and some new BW rules
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How can you hate rules that a. don't affect you and b. you don't even know HOW they'll affect you IF they were implemented over here right now...........
Alakalen
New Member
whats to say we don't get all of the rules and get a midseason rotation?
That's a possibility, but so is a million other things. Of course most of those options have never been done in the 12 years that the game has been going on. So, who knows?
These rules will probably go into effect next season when SP rotates out. I doubt they'd change the rules mid-season. Without SP, the rare candy nerf is acceptable, as well as all the other rules (being able to play trainers turn one going first isn't so broken when you can't rare candy).
i'm up for change!
DarthPika
New Member
Don't even suggest that horrible idea... They pull something stupid like a mid season rotation, and I quit. I'm sure I would not be alone.
Shadow Zangoose
New Member
Alakalen said:
Because that would be the closest thing to TCG suicide that we've had since WoTC. It's a possibility, but I think the chances of it happening are very slim.
uuuufff said:
I'm all for change, but this isn't change. This is sticking everything into a blender and pressing the puree button. Who likes Stage 2 smoothies? I'll tell you who. Garchomp does.
And that's what SHOULD be done, give us the B/W cards, but implement the damned rule changes after Worlds and slice us down to HGSS-on at the rotation. That brings us up to date with Japan, and saves us from a nightmare at Nationals.
And they've changed rules mid-season before... but not like this. The way this is being done, it's going to unbalance the hell out of things one way or another. Which is why they need to leave it alone this time around. Things weren't super unbalanced when DP rolled in three years ago. This would be.
They won't leave it alone, though. ; x They never, ever leave it alone.
Phazon Elite
New Member
It seems like they're aiming to make the game play out a lot like it used to be, but with a lot of the old powerful trainers nerfed in some way or another: Ayagi is similar to Oak, Junk Arm is similar to Item Finder, Rare Candy will function a lot like Pokemon Breeder, Pokemon are weaker than what we're used to in the past few years, you can play anything on T1 going first, etc.
ShadowCard
Active Member
It does sound like the are trying to rewind the game back to a pre-Expedition version.
Pokedex has seen several improvements since the game started. When you reprint Pokedex over New Pokedex, that says it all.
Pokedex has seen several improvements since the game started. When you reprint Pokedex over New Pokedex, that says it all.
Regis_Neo
Moderator
Mainly because I'm not using a deck with Candy atm XD
---------- Post added 10/29/2010 at 08:17 PM ----------
You raise a good point about the Power/Body merger, I mean wasn't the whole point of splitting them up in the first place from the ubiquitous Pokemon Power was so that it would be more clear? Unless they're taking a new direction in "Poke-Body" effects and just scraping ones that are continuously in play...
There's a REALLY good chance SP won't be rotating out next season.
TPCi normally rotates out 3-4 sets. Two seasons ago, they rotated out nothing. After that, they rotated out 4 sets. There's a really good chance we will see 3-4 sets rotated out this September. 3 rotated sets leaves us at Platinum-On, 4 rotated sets leaves us at Rising Rivals-On. Although it'd severely weaken SP decks in the latter format, I really think it'd be the illogical choice since Platinum is a good "home set" for a new format, just like how Majestic Dawn (with the starters) was.
I really doubt TPCi is going to rotate out 7 sets, and leave us with HGSS-on.
So, I think there's a very decent chance we will be Platinum-On next year (2011-2012).
And the new rules from Japan have to come to fruition some time in the next 2 years, so it's almost inevitable for the new rules to clash with SPs.
I honestly expect the new rules to go into effect this February when Black/White comes out (or whenever the english set comes out considering there may be a filler set between Triumphant and B/W). Just like the new rules on the HGSS stuff that we got instantly when HGSS came out, I think we will get the B/W rules right when B/W comes out (the game comes out in February, so I would think the set wouldn't be too far behind that).
It's definitely going to be weird.
AyameHikaru
Active Member
I'm really, really hoping they come out with a new GOW that, like Twins & Black Belt, can't be played unless you're behind on prizes. It would be wonderful.
I think the switch back to the older ways of doing things is nice. However, I agree with most of the posters here that the way they implement these rules is going to be tricky.
Point 1: Mid-season rotation of pretty much every meta deck would be EXTREMELY unpopular.
Point 2: They said with the last (Or was it time before last?) rotation that they wanted to keep a bigger pool of sets legal, and that they liked rotating 4 sets a year.
Point 3: Implementing these rules while any DP set is legal would be a nightmare.
That's basically our conundrum right there. They can't do a big rotation, but they need to do a big rotation. ^^; If they tried to stay with the 4 sets rotating, next year would be RR-on, or more likely PL-on, allowing one last year of SP trashing. Then, the next year would be HGSS on. So.... two years before our format matches what Japan's is now. They can't afford to wait that long, IMO.
I'd like to believe TPCi is smarter than all of you are making them out to be. It would be stupid to implement these rules here this year. Not just stupid; it would pretty much ruin the game, and make it SP only, and even more donk heavy than it already is.
I also HIGHLY doubt that our format will be PL-on next year. Again, that would be a very bad move. If the rules were not implemented this year, but then implemented in a PL-on format, it'd still be really, really horrible. Sure, at least Sableye wouldn't we legal anymore, but we'd still have SP around, and have an SP-only (note I didn't say SP dominated) format. It also seems insanely unlikely to me that they'd wait for 2 years to implement these rules.
So, it seems to me that the best and most logical way to deal with these changes is to not implement them this year anywhere other than Japan, and then next year, make the format HGSS-on instead of the expected RR-on and implement the new rules. It seems very, VERY obvious that these rule changes are meant for HGSS-on. They simply do not work in any other format, and I think TPCi is smart enough to know that.
Also, to those who will inevitably bring up TPCi's plans to rotate less sets than they have in the past: Those were just plans. It's possibly, and it seems to me very likely, that TPCi wasn't aware of these upcoming rule changes when they had those plans. Plans change. Keep in mind, ultimately TPCi doesn't have really any say as far as the actual TCG's development is concerned, and so ultimately they have to roll with the punches the developers throw at them.
I also HIGHLY doubt that our format will be PL-on next year. Again, that would be a very bad move. If the rules were not implemented this year, but then implemented in a PL-on format, it'd still be really, really horrible. Sure, at least Sableye wouldn't we legal anymore, but we'd still have SP around, and have an SP-only (note I didn't say SP dominated) format. It also seems insanely unlikely to me that they'd wait for 2 years to implement these rules.
So, it seems to me that the best and most logical way to deal with these changes is to not implement them this year anywhere other than Japan, and then next year, make the format HGSS-on instead of the expected RR-on and implement the new rules. It seems very, VERY obvious that these rule changes are meant for HGSS-on. They simply do not work in any other format, and I think TPCi is smart enough to know that.
Also, to those who will inevitably bring up TPCi's plans to rotate less sets than they have in the past: Those were just plans. It's possibly, and it seems to me very likely, that TPCi wasn't aware of these upcoming rule changes when they had those plans. Plans change. Keep in mind, ultimately TPCi doesn't have really any say as far as the actual TCG's development is concerned, and so ultimately they have to roll with the punches the developers throw at them.
nishidawin
New Member
I'm still reading the new rules, but the usage of Plus Power has also changed.
Now the new rule says "You don't have to attach Plus Power to a Pokemon.
Plus Power can be used for any active Pokemon that attacks."
Now the new rule says "You don't have to attach Plus Power to a Pokemon.
Plus Power can be used for any active Pokemon that attacks."
waynegg
CotD Editor<br>Forum Moderator
Just my opinion, but that sounds more like Pokemon Center to me.
If your translations of basic game rules are correct, it seems like they are going for a total reset on Pokemon, VG as well as TCG, with BW bringing it back to rules which mirror base set rules. Interesting!
Ness
Member
Players who play first can play trainers? Stadiums, Supporters and Trainers are all trainers? It's a step back to 2006. Rare Candy can't be played first turn/the turn a Pokemon came into play? It's a step back to 1999!
I don't mind any of these rules being either which way, but it does irk me when they keep changing the dynamics and rules of the game, especially when the changes are just going back to how we had it in the first place. It makes the game harder for new players to learn.
I don't mind any of these rules being either which way, but it does irk me when they keep changing the dynamics and rules of the game, especially when the changes are just going back to how we had it in the first place. It makes the game harder for new players to learn.
waynegg
CotD Editor<br>Forum Moderator
No one knows what next year will be and all predictions are likely wrong.
supertyranitar
New Member
Uh, even that link confirms that it would be RR-on. If they really want the 9 sets to start, 13 sets over all a year, like it says on there, then that means that's 4 sets gone. So far, it looks as if they've held true - they had 9 sets to start off when it was DP-on, ended up with 13. This year, they rotated 4, and started at 9; they will end up with 13 again.
They could go back on that, but I'd think they would want to be consistent when it comes to set rotations - something I think they need to be consistent on.
You wanna bet?
There's no way they would only rotate out 3 sets. The lowest amount they've ever roated out (apart from no rotation at all) is 4 (i'm pretty sure on that - correct me if i'm wrong). There's no way they're going to keep SP decks good for a 4th season. "Home set" or not, Platinum-On would be basically SP-On. No Machamp, no Mewtwo Lv X, no Uxie, no Call Energy, no chance! SP has never been truly broken but I think it would be nearly unbeatable if that were the case, and keeping them in for the 4th format in a row would make the game stale, as well as the fact rotating out only 3 sets is totally inconsistent. My money's on either RR-On, AR-On or HG:SS-On.
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