WEREWOLF XV: Pokemon Wars: GAME END: TOWN WINS!!!!! See Post 2547 for Final Update!

[jpulice]

1519

Just got home from work and I have a hot date with my son to play Skylanders and Pokemon Rumble Blast until his bedtime. So I may post later.

Quickly to a few:

@cabd: You were on my bottom tier however, I thought about it some more and had no reason to have you there. It was a left over from having you there.

@LegendCaller: I believed your role reveal. I must have been the only one to see it.

@jellyfisher. one townie has already given the town a ton of valuable information. I have been able to deduce a handful of players and their roles. as for e4a 2nd day, it was the first vote and very outlandish. Similar to reados1's today. I would agree my vote seems thin, which I find interesting more people are upset about their positioning on my list than this vote. I can only offer you why?

@PCPB. I believe I know who you are. I think you can use this list for the good of the town if you chose.

@ the town notice how I've been quickly sprung upon by my bottom half. I know I will not survive the night since I have place a hugh target on myself. I'm reluctant to help the empire/sith by revealing to much about our fellow townies. I don't think it's fair to their game play. But I'll leave that to the decision of the town, should I reveal all I know?????

 

[Sandslash7]

I just briefly skimmed the update, and I'll be able to post tomorrow after my 2 big Dental Anatomy exams. Though very interesting events so far.

 

[Absoltrainer]

@mod: would this be considered "going around the bounds of the game,"or against the spirit of the game, or is this a perfectly acceptable move

I see nothing wrong with it, though I can't confirm or deny that it will do anything, or confirm or deny the results of what would happen. Nor can I confirm or deny he would be modkilled, assuming that I confirmed or denyed that there was anything to modkill him over....which I cannot confrim or deny

Basically what I am saying is....who knows?
Oh wait....I do =p

 

[King Piplup]

1519

Just got home from work and I have a hot date with my son to play Skylanders and Pokemon Rumble Blast until his bedtime. So I may post later.

Quickly to a few:

@cabd: You were on my bottom tier however, I thought about it some more and had no reason to have you there. It was a left over from having you there.

@LegendCaller: I believed your role reveal. I must have been the only one to see it.

@jellyfisher. one townie has already given the town a ton of valuable information. I have been able to deduce a handful of players and their roles. as for e4a 2nd day, it was the first vote and very outlandish. Similar to reados1's today. I would agree my vote seems thin, which I find interesting more people are upset about their positioning on my list than this vote. I can only offer you why?

@PCPB. I believe I know who you are. I think you can use this list for the good of the town if you chose.

@ the town notice how I've been quickly sprung upon by my bottom half. I know I will not survive the night since I have place a hugh target on myself. I'm reluctant to help the empire/sith by revealing to much about our fellow townies. I don't think it's fair to their game play. But I'll leave that to the decision of the town, should I reveal all I know?????

Since you responded to other queries regarding their placement on your list, may I ask what prompted my placement, not to mention the comment about me almost being "highly probably" not town in your eyes? As for revealing what you know, I'll leave that to the rest of the town, as in not sure at this point.

 

[jellyfisher]

1519@jellyfisher. one townie has already given the town a ton of valuable information. I have been able to deduce a handful of players and their roles. as for e4a 2nd day, it was the first vote and very outlandish. Similar to reados1's today. I would agree my vote seems thin, which I find interesting more people are upset about their positioning on my list than this vote. I can only offer you why?

Okay, the only problem I had with your list was the fact that some of the players that had a similar play style were at opposite ends of the list. I actually agree with parts of your list. The ones I didn't agree with were some of the ones on the top part. Although I do agree with some of you choices now that you have explained yourself.

@ the town notice how I've been quickly sprung upon by my bottom half. I know I will not survive the night since I have place a hugh target on myself. I'm reluctant to help the empire/sith by revealing to much about our fellow townies. I don't think it's fair to their game play. But I'll leave that to the decision of the town, should I reveal all I know?????

If you have information about peoples roles, and know if they are townie or not, couldn't you just say if they are townie? Or are you saying that your hesitant to reveal the townies because your afraid that it would mess up there game play? Saying you do have information about the alignments of players, it would be a shame to have you die during the night, and not get any of the information. But by revealing people to be townie, it could potentially put targets on them. So I don't really know what you should do.

Oh, I guess there's no longer a need for this. At least for now...

Unvote: jpulice

 

[Ikrit]

I personally am still waiting on an answer to my question. I asked for some of the reasons for specific people's placement.

Also claiming that you are being attacked by the bottom part of your list is a bit incorrect I am afraid.

Two people from the bottom tier have interacted with your list. One was myself and I simply asked for your reasoning for a couple of people who I did not understand their placement.

As for the rest...the possible attackers of you for your list, they come from

1 person from the bottom tier
3 people from middle tier(one who is the top of your middle tier)
2 people from the top

spartacus attacked you for your vote of SS7 not for you list...he is also middle tier.

You are acting very defensive.

If you count me asking for some reasoning to be an attack, as well as spartacus voting for you because of your vote for SS7 to be because of your list that makes it:

2 from bottom
4 from middle
2 from top

Which makes the list almost perfectly weighted for an even distribution taking into account the people who have not posted since you have put your list up.

Calm a bit and post in a clear minded manner.

 

[King Piplup]

I see nothing wrong with it, though I can't confirm or deny that it will do anything, or confirm or deny the results of what would happen. Nor can I confirm or deny he would be modkilled, assuming that I confirmed or denyed that there was anything to modkill him over....which I cannot confrim or deny

Basically what I am saying is....who knows?
Oh wait....I do =p

On that note, should we try this? I think AT may've messed up his reply before editing, but...@town, do we go for this?

 

[LegendCallerL]

Last Post Read:#1527
I guess we could try this tactic. There are 6 days left after all. We just need to be careful about not ending the day too quick.

With that said,
Vote:Redados1
Also, it's 12 votes to lynch, right?

If anyone thinks that this idea is bad, please speak up.

 

[thunderjolt]

On that note, should we try this? I think AT may've messed up his reply before editing, but...@town, do we go for this?

On one end of the spectrum, yes, it is a good idea to just squeeze the info out of him. On the other end, if you were in his place (presuming he's telling the truth) what would you think? If we lynch him, he dies, if he says something he's not allowed to, he suffers the consequenses (possibly dies). However, if he is lying, then his dying is not a bad thing. But no mater what route this plan takes, I don't see a way for him to get out alive, which is kind of unfair--but he did put himself in this predicament in the first place....so IDK. If we don't have much to go off of, then...I still don't know.

Basically what you're saying is that should we injure/kill him just to benefit our town? Do the pro's outweigh the con's?

GCG CGT TGA ATT CGG CTG TGA

 

[DragonClyne725]

@ the town notice how I've been quickly sprung upon by my bottom half. I know I will not survive the night since I have place a hugh target on myself. I'm reluctant to help the empire/sith by revealing to much about our fellow townies. I don't think it's fair to their game play. But I'll leave that to the decision of the town, should I reveal all I know?????

If by 'reveal' you mean role reveal, then no I suggest not doing that unless you have the identity of a wolf. Any information you can give for the reasoning of your list would be greatly appreciated. But if you are planning a role reveal, just remember that Redados1 role revealed and hasn't been able to give us any information whatsoever since :/

I am very interested in what Cardz has to say. His last post hinted that his role developed somehow over Night, so it could be that he is the Gallade jedi who regained his memory, what do ya'll think?

 

[King Piplup]

I have an idea for if we decide to lynch redados. I would suggest that we put enough votes on redados to show him we mean business, then force him to tell us what he has learned so far. Either we get our information from him, and he gets mod-killed, and it's the same as a lynch, or we caught scum.
@mod: would this be considered "going around the bounds of the game,"or against the spirit of the game, or is this a perfectly acceptable move

Is where the idea is outlined. Whether or not we go with it...is another question.

 

[DragonClyne725]

1531

I think that we should wait a bit for more inactive players to get on and post, but I guess the plan mentioned by Scottistru could work if everyone else is game. The trouble is, what if Redados1 actually IS being blocked by someone and doesn't have any information to give. We potentially could lose a seer

 

[LegendCallerL]

1531

Of course it can wait. We still have time, why not use it?

Right now, even if Redados1 is a seer, his role is essentially useless because of that blocking person. And if no other seer reveals, that blocker would likely have no clue on who to target.

Anyway, I think I'll hold on to my vote. Still lots of headroom before a lynch.

 

[Scottistru]

Wait a second; slow down. I meant this tactic could be used if we decide to lynch him. I wasn't saying we should lynch him, only that it would be an added benefit of his lynch. However, until we decide he is scummy, I don't think we can afford to lynch a townie just for information
Posted with Mobile style...

 

[gallade]

I personally am still waiting on an answer to my question. I asked for some of the reasons for specific people's placement.

Also claiming that you are being attacked by the bottom part of your list is a bit incorrect I am afraid.

Two people from the bottom tier have interacted with your list. One was myself and I simply asked for your reasoning for a couple of people who I did not understand their placement.

As for the rest...the possible attackers of you for your list, they come from

1 person from the bottom tier
3 people from middle tier(one who is the top of your middle tier)
2 people from the top

spartacus attacked you for your vote of SS7 not for you list...he is also middle tier.

You are acting very defensive.

If you count me asking for some reasoning to be an attack, as well as spartacus voting for you because of your vote for SS7 to be because of your list that makes it:

2 from bottom
4 from middle
2 from top

Which makes the list almost perfectly weighted for an even distribution taking into account the people who have not posted since you have put your list up.

Calm a bit and post in a clear minded manner.

He may be defensive because people voted for him. I would do the same thing.

 

[Benzo]

@Redado's- sorry for the misspelling of your sn-

Look, I got you (Redado's) to talk, and pushing to vote for you was a threat- but that threat might be what clears you and point us all in a better direction in eliminating a bigger threat- a wolf or a Sith aliened player.
The info you gave me made me think more away from the com-link. I believe I hit a cord with my earlier thoughts about what the com-link's purpose is. Regardless, I will forget about the com-link for now, and direct attention to other bits of info I will try to piece together to maybe make a wolf or Sith be voted for lynching. So here it goes:

I think your under the influence of Mewtwo, who is being controlled by Giovonie. Now, to test a theory with logic for the path I am going. Giovnie is always on the look out for "the best of the best" when it comes to Pokemon. He created Mewtwo. Even though it has been said that mewtwo became indipendent from Giovonie's grip with rebelion- it may not be the case here in WW. Mewtwo could very well be aligned with Giovonie, and is a partner under Giovonie's control as his main "weapon of choice. Beings that Pokemon have the force, who would better want a Pokemon with the bonus of having the force? Giovonie.
Now, thinking along this line, Since Mewtwo is a "DNA" Pokemon- like Ditto and Mew, also Deoxys (hmmmm, where could I be going with this? Thunderjolt? Perhaps?)--

I think Nepoleon is Giovonie, Thunderjolt is Mewtwo, and your stuck with these two holding you like a puppet.

Nepoleon stated that time will tell, I think I have seen what the time told. His own words from past postings being aggressive, soft hint's of manipulation, and a few other light traces of possible leads- Nepoleon has Thunderjolt to do his "dirty work"- to get what, Pokemon with the ability to have the force for his own reasons of having the "best of the best". Am I making sense to you?
Giovonie will even take on the Sith to get what he wants. The wolves- another "road block" in his quest.
If this is just some story I am making up, I over analyzed all of this, and I am failing at getting rid of threats.

Now, Thunderjolt boldly jumps out with him being Deoxys and all- I call it a lie. Thunderjolt- good move to quick claim what others ideas as to whom you might be. Did you get help from Giovonie, er, Napoleon?

To me, Napoleon is an indy, but not in the best interest with the town in mind. Thunderjolt:

I think your bluffing, your not Deoxys- we get rid of you, maybe releasing Redados to allow him to talk and we can get more info.

Vote: Thunderjolt I call your bluff if it is so. Pretty bold to think that you can just walk out and be all "safe" and in the clear- did you think of that or did your master help?

Napoleon- if I could make two votes, I would- but I will keep your lynch vote for now for the reason I think it might weaken you with your servant gone- considering my thoughts are correct.

Like I have said, these are just my thoughts- but we got to draw some kind of conclusions if we are to be safe from all threats, and take into consideration of possibilities. I think an example of what I mean is- look at the com-link, has it mysteriously disappeared because of what I said about the com-link, and the person who uses it does not want a "paper trail" to lead us to his/her guilt?

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Jpluice- give us what info you can but do not role reveal. Dave628 turned to the wolves as some kind of effort to keep from being lynched, a tactic that I think you are trying to mimic- (although he turned out not to be a wolf) you might be doing this as a way to hide that you really are a wolf. What can you provide to us without role revealing? If anything that leans more towards you realy being a wolf- I will change my vote in a heartbeat over a liar (IMO)<IMO) for a wolf any day.

Also- Pokemon are subject to the Pokeball (Genie to the bottle rules) as Darth Pikachu was- Mewtwo could be hidden and released at anytime to do the will of his master.

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All of this is just my thoughts for now- if anyone needs better clarification as to what I am saying-
I will post again- but not sure as too how soon. I have been re-assigned at work with a new location, schedule, and the what not and I am beat. Three days in on the change, and I am just not fully mind functional to continue right now- just need a day or so in order to put my thoughts together better.

 

[toxictaipan]

I have an idea for if we decide to lynch redados. I would suggest that we put enough votes on redados to show him we mean business, then force him to tell us what he has learned so far. Either we get our information from him, and he gets mod-killed, and it's the same as a lynch, or we caught scum.
@mod: would this be considered "going around the bounds of the game,"or against the spirit of the game, or is this a perfectly acceptable move

I've tossed this idea around in my head a bit, and I just honestly don't think it's a good idea. If Redados1 has indeed been told he will be modkilled if he says something he's not allowed to say, it is very much going around the bounds of the game. The punishment is put there to help prevent this situation from happening. The point of this game is logic and reasoning, not, "find a way around the rules in order to get some information."

In addition, assuming that Absoltrainer will allow it, Redados1 will most likely be modkilled upon first revealing any information while not having a chance to explain anything. Basically, he gets one post to compile everything he knows, and if he messes anything up, all that time is wasted and we're down a townie. So, yeah...

I think I got the comlink... I asked for it at the same time as the PokeBall. I got the PokeBall, but I was never told about the comlink. So either didn't get it or I did get it but just dont know it. My role hasnt... shoot. Yeah come to think of it I was as you say "gagged" when I tried for the comlink. So maybe thats it? darnit I hadnt noticed that. But my actual ROLE didnt change, just how much I could talk about it. But I dont THINK Ive been influenced by the sith.



I cant speak. I believe that Im being manipulated by some one who has used their role on me. Im not sith aligned. My role stil works.

Redados out. and also Benzo its R-E-D-A-D-O-S, not "Redido" :tongue:

Okay Redados1, we've gone from, "No comment," when asked about your role to this. You need to tell us everything you can reveal about your role without getting yourself modkilled.

What do you mean your role still works? Are you saying that, although you're being prevented from using your role for now, it can still be used after these special circumstances are gone? Or are you trying to say that you've been collecting information all this time, but you're not allowed to talk about it for now? Please, be specific. Also, if you can't answer anyone's questions directly, don't let that stop you from posting what you are allowed to talk about. Tell us whatever you can, even if we don't directly ask about it. We need to know everything.


Now, can we please get off this Redados1 thing? If you have questions for him, go ahead and ask them. But seriously, he claimed a powerful role (and everything he claimed was confirmed to be true, so he's obviously not lying) and was dealt with quickly. How is that suspicious? Who didn't see that coming?

I'm going to repost something I posted earlier in regards to this situation. READ IT THIS TIME!

GUYS


Redados1 isn't lying. It's clear that he can't post his results due to some other role in the game. That's what happens when you reveal too much information. That's why we had a fit when he revealed his role. We knew this was going to happen. Anyone who is continually suggesting that Redados1 is lying or that we should lynch him is just going to make theirselves look more suspicious in my eyes.

We are not going to continually fall back on an issue that has been resolved and unchanged for a few Game Days. You can't make progress if you're stuck in the past.


Now that that's HOPEFULLY out of the way for the third or forth time....


I'm interested to hear from Cardzmaster2004 about his role. He's been muted a lot and we he finally got the chance to post, we heard little from him. I think it's about time we get something out of him.

 

[thunderjolt]

@Benzo- I like your playstyle, always trying to figure things out. Honestly, the only defence I have is that I know I'm right and you're wrong, and that I view myself as a big help to the town. From day 5 updates you see that there is a "red and blue" pokemon(me) and a purple one as well, so you could be right in the fact that mewtwo is possibly in this game.

I looked at the their pokedex entries as well, and both Deoxys and Mewtwo mention DNA, so again I have no defence there. All I can say is that I know I'm Deoxys.

Alas, it's just one vote, so I'm not going to go spastic or anything.

CCC TGC GCT GTA TAT ACG GTT

 

[cabd]

1537

Unvote: jpulice

Thanks for explaining. While I was at work (bagging groceries, so fun...) I went ahead and made a mental chart of scenarios.

~~~
Redados is truly blocked and we lynch him: Net loss by town
Redados is not being blocked, but is a townie (*): Net loss by town
Redados is truly blocked, and is an Indie: Net loss by town(**)
~~~
Redados is a wolf and faking everything: Net gain by town
Redados is truly being blocked and is sith: Net gain by town
Redados is not really being blocked and is sith: Net gain by town
~~~

So really, our odds of this even working are 50-50; not worth it IMHO.


*: What if he has been claiming role block to gather information; to prevent the REAL role blocker from acting?

**: At this point, we need to kill sith/empire, indies come after that (maybe)


I'm still waiting to hear back form napoleon, and cardz.

Are there any other inactive players that we need to hear from?

 

[gallade]

Killing siths before indies probably doesn't make that much sense (assuming you knew who was in what category). It would still take the same amount of time.