King Piplup
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You don't. The only remotely good method is countered by a little good playing.
Espeon
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You don't. The only remotely good method is countered by a little good playing.
Charranitar
Member
Just play Pokemon Catcher. Twins for the catcher, knock out the thing. Problem solved.
Team CREAM
New Member
>catcher in vvv
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Being serious, you'd have to play Seeker too. Not worth the space imo
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Being serious, you'd have to play Seeker too. Not worth the space imo
King Piplup
Active Member
But if they keep energy on Espeon, they just retreat since paralyze would be negated. You'd need 2 Seeker/Catcher, and VVV just doesn't have the space.
Charranitar
Member
Play V-Create Victini and ohko Espeon.
King Piplup
Active Member
Room. VvV is heavily weighed down when you start trying to add extras to it.
Team CREAM
New Member
Because Espeon will ALWAYS be active.
King Piplup
Active Member
I'm out of thanks, but really, there is no reason other than a REALLY tight list to not add the psychic cat!
Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
I don't think any of you guys have actually played these matchups enough. "Auto win" and "double bye" - seriously? Do you even think enough people will play these decks (good though they may be) to warrant the inclusion?
Turn one Darkrai is scary; turn one Mewtwo is scary. Espeon is not scary because it basically trades the speed and aggression of those early prizes for knockouts later in the game. By spending spots on Espeon or Unown/Seeker, you're crippling your early game, giving me a chance to enjoy a very stable first couple of turns.
You will definitely draw prizes thanks to Espeon, no question...But those are prizes you could have been drawing via actual attacking. Catcher, Kingdra, and Chandelure will all get your Espeon.
If you want to increase your chances of beating Accelgor/Vanilluxe, play more Mewtwo/Darkrai...Play more Tynamo. Basically, just play things that are universally good, but won't get locked.
Turn one Darkrai is scary; turn one Mewtwo is scary. Espeon is not scary because it basically trades the speed and aggression of those early prizes for knockouts later in the game. By spending spots on Espeon or Unown/Seeker, you're crippling your early game, giving me a chance to enjoy a very stable first couple of turns.
You will definitely draw prizes thanks to Espeon, no question...But those are prizes you could have been drawing via actual attacking. Catcher, Kingdra, and Chandelure will all get your Espeon.
If you want to increase your chances of beating Accelgor/Vanilluxe, play more Mewtwo/Darkrai...Play more Tynamo. Basically, just play things that are universally good, but won't get locked.
King Piplup
Active Member
And I'll be happy for the person that plays VVV and somehow fits all of those into a deck. Acelegor is far from an autowin however, as Cyrus points out.
Pikajew1213
New Member
You realize that mewtwo darkrai don't one hi unless stacked with energy but that's only for mewtwo and then vanilluxe takes two prizes
King Piplup
Active Member
Re-read what he said. You do realize that T1 Darkrai or Mewtwo is about the worst thing that can happen to VVV, right? Getting 3 OHKO's on Big Cones with Mewtwo is more than achievable, especially in Eels.
EliGagerNorris
New Member
You wouldn't think so, but space is very tight. So yeah, it kind of does.
CFOURCOLTSFAN
Active Member
I think espeon should be included in most decks, as already stated it DOESN'T hurt your consistency that much. Also i can say as a person that has plyaed VVV an espeon is generally scarier to me than a 3 prize deficit(something i've been able to overcome often in testing b/c i'm running the bellossom and slippery soles, but if they're OHKOing Big Cones that is scarier than an espeon, not that i want to see either one of those things) also the downside to espeon is that it doesn't give you an autowin v. Accelgor(generally) or the Mew/Vanilluxe/Swanna(or Unfezant but Swanna is better) decks b/c they can fit in Seeker+Catcher and OHKO Espeon b/c of weakness. I support the card atm but if i don't see too much status decks i will take it out
the turn one is also really rough for VVV too, but i have been able to pull off a couple wins w/ it b/c i've flipped good on babies
the turn one is also really rough for VVV too, but i have been able to pull off a couple wins w/ it b/c i've flipped good on babies
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dialga master
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IDK how you have room for two cards in zeel.... Let alone 3 in dakrai.
Should be playing something that helps against other deck too.. I don't think many people will be running status but w/e..
Should be playing something that helps against other deck too.. I don't think many people will be running status but w/e..