Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!

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Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to draw your attention to this guy.

3 posts, nothing good but language structure of more likely, a Junior or Senior.


Well, Your_Face, I hate to do this but gotta do this, is what I gotta do this.

VOTE: Your_Face

To be honest, Your_Face - I am pressuring you to do something productive for the game. As in, say something to carry on the flow of the discussion with something productive, or swing by stating out your opinions and finds related to the game.

For now, until Your_Face do something useful for ONCE, my vote stands.
 
Well, if I reveal later on, no one will believe me. I want my play to go on record so that when I do reveal people will believe me.

Why should anyone believe you now? Also, if you have a play or reveal or whatever just say it. Saying that you have something then waiting is scummy. Until I actually see what this play is you get my vote.

Unvote: PMysterious
Vote: Vablakes
 
Forgot to mention this, Your_Face - Werewolf game is not like your typical grade school game. This is far more complicated than you think. Are you up for the challenge - or face the serious consequences.
 
All right, I was using the "Bad Townie Gambit". It reads:

This gambit is best pulled off by a Vanilla Townie. In the first day of the game, act scummy in an intentional act to draw a small wagon. Without a doubt you'll have one or two over-eager wolves hop on your wagon near the middle. Naturally, it is best you reveal your ploy soon after, lest you actually get lynched.
 
First of all what does "sheep" have anything to do with it?

Anyway, there seems to be more sucpicious stuff going on, so Unvote: Human Destroyer
FoS: Human Destroyer. My and the rest of the towns points still stand
Sandslash7. The whole scorri thing seems suspicious
Vablakes. Too many excuses for things, and then saying "I have no excuse" and changing your mind about it. The rest of the towns points are valid too.

---------- Post added 12/02/2012 at 10:31 PM ----------

Ninja'd, and couldn't edit my post.
Vablakes does have a valid excuse now, and defenently seems less suscpicious now.
 
EBWOB or double posting is against the rules. Can al new players if they haven't already done so please read them now. The mods have a tough enough job as it is.

If you're actually goin for that gambit, generally you need to provide some sort of information that came from it. Also, personally I didn't think that you were playing the right sort of "badly" for that gambit. That just sounds like an attempt to cover your tracks.

Heavy FoS on Vablakes AND strong rhino for shameless buddying/accepting a defense with no further thought.
 
Yeah, I made a mistake. I'm paying for it. I accept that. I own up to it. Yes, I missworded something. Yes, it looked suspicious. Next time, I will wait until morning. I have no excuse.

All right, I was using the "Bad Townie Gambit". It reads:

This gambit is best pulled off by a Vanilla Townie. In the first day of the game, act scummy in an intentional act to draw a small wagon. Without a doubt you'll have one or two over-eager wolves hop on your wagon near the middle. Naturally, it is best you reveal your ploy soon after, lest you actually get lynched.

So you were running this gambit but during it made a mistake that made you look scummy? So this first quoted post was a lie, then a hour and a half later you decide to reveal that you were making this gambit? Why not just reveal the gambit instead of saying you made a mistake?
 
Here are a few reads I picked up along my catch-up:

Luster - Town. Seems to be fairly new to not understand how scum try their hardest to gain town-cred. Doubtful scum would attack me on that point.

Tables - Leans Scum. His experience combined with his posts that suggest he has more information than we do is quite alarming.

Kayle - Leaning Town. Actively Hunting, very thoughtful.

Pikajewel - Leaning Scum. She caved, and fast with a minimal amount of pressure.

scorri would also like to talk about Crimsonsky telling people to not target him at night. scorri sees no problem with this as it is a common practice on Serenes Forest where she usually plays mafia.

Scorri, this is an important question. Does Crimsonsky also play on Serenes Forest?

I also hate to break the momentum that ya'll have going on Vablakes, but people have been forgetting about Human Destroyer.

Didn't anyone notice how easily he caved? It took one vote to make him take back his vote and apologize for his post.

Unvote

I'll find a better pressure target in the meantime.

Why throw a pressure vote on someone if you aren't even going to let it apply any pressure?

Also, HD doesn't seem to care about finding scum. Can anyone point out any posts where he is actively-scum hunting?

After voting for Pokemonplayer101 (A retaliatory vote on his wagon) the rest of his posts are commentary from others' posts. He doesn't continue to push Pokemonplayer101 to see if he is really scum, nor does he switch his vote or question any other players.

We should not be letting Human Destroyer off this easy.

HD - How many posts does it take to find scum? Also, I would love it if you would give us some of your reads.

Re: Bandwagon Retaliatory Votes.

Evaluating bandwagons is a useful and potentially fruitful tactic, with one caveat. You need to know the alignment of the player that the wagon is on. How many of you believe that scum are going to actively jump on an early scum wagon (any wagon here with less than 10 votes I consider early)?
 
Sorry for not being active up until now- Salem OR. Cities today= staffed.


So- Tables, you reply with:

I have never played a mafia game where the mafia didn't get to talk pre-game. If it's not the standard here, I can see why that would look suspicious, but the entire point of mafia is that they're a team, and need to talk, share plans, discuss and work out what to do. If they can't talk pre-game, they start on the back foot.

Defending with an explination to what the wolves do/ don't do is not a defense to make a solid clarificational reply. How does this clarify any thing?

I have no idea where I ever compared what I know to what he knows. I made a slight comment about some town possibly knowing more, e.g. Masons, but that's about it. Stop rolefishing.

A game this size can make players speculate the possible roles included in this game. I believe we have a Priest- does this make a good defense as well to asking for clarification to what I asked? And really? I am "Role fishing" by asking for you to rephrase your words a bit for a better understanding? Please explain how it is that I am role fishing.....

'Do' was a typo. I have to assume I meant 'use', as it's the only thing that makes sense in the sentence. We don't have much to use, except RVS style posting. I think we've happily moved on from that now.

Who is "We" that you mean? Like, me and you? you belive you have satisfied my need to have some clarification? Please do not assume that "we" just need to move on, because you IMO have given a weak defense and a push off reply left with the stentch of scummyness to this point......

Speaking of assuming: A typo? You assume of yourself that you made a typo? How does that work? You either do or do not mean something, I do not know any one who has assumed anything on themselves when it comes to meaning anything they say. Sorry, but, assume on your own meaning for what you meant to type-- ugh, I am now even more confused with what your trying to say with out making an assumption of my own with out doubting myself to my own meanings...... this comes off to me as "Nothing here to see folks, move along"


...What? No, I was just saying, from experience as a mod, with this many players I would usually strongly consider having two mafia teams. I'll have to double check what I said earlier (if I can be bothered) but what I meant was, a single mafia is likely about 11-12 people, but we might have more mafia than that spread over two teams.

If your simply saying this, why say it so early? And you need to double check what it was you said? So, what, you can clarify that too? Or self assume you mean something else as well? If there happens to be Two teams, hopefully we can spot it out, not start the game of thinking that we need to look for something that is not there or that it is possible, since the main point of hunting is to find wolves, and if something not so town friendly happens to come about- we then need to look at the new threats as well. Just because this game has so many players in it, does not mean that it is time to just toss out "possible" or implant the hint that some other team is needing to be sought out right off. UNLESS you are already aware that like in your role that there is a threat to your team, or some sort of competition- your wording on things is interesting and puzzling- and the way that your acting is above suspiciouse to me. Until your meanings and wording stops looking so, what- hinting that you do know more then the simple roles or major roles that have yet to come about- I just don't like this at all.

And "if I can be bothered"- bothered how? like having to go out of your way to hunt? This right here is leaning to my mind thinking that it could be true that you know a good amount- and that amount looks rather high in the suspicion side of things. Agian, your words not sitting right with me....

Then:

I haven't read page 10 or onwards yet.

Another thing you feal you do not need to bother to do?

Sorry, but as of the time I am typing this- you have not posted again since. Why?
I am not the only player to see some sort of fishy scummyness in your words. why not reply to them as well?

Look- take my request of asking for some clarification. Even go as far as to say that I am role fishing, and give a fluff reply with rule/guidelines of how game mechanics work, which anyone can find on the internet. And for a person who has so much experiance in this game, it seems a bit odd that you would simply sluff off the notion of me simply just needing to "be happy" with your reply- looking even more like your trying to avoid any more discussion about what it is your really meant versus what you said.

You can say that I am nit-picking at your words, and trying to twist them- but really, I asked for clarification and I am simply not happy with your reply, let alone what it is your saying.

I was going to bold my vote for Rhino- (3DS won't bold)- but, this is a gut feeling that your just not good for the town.

Vote: Tables


Also, what is the deal with the ##vote? Is this another "site thing" that the players do there? I thought that all that was needed to do was to just bold with simple "vote"- so, some one please explain this ##vote thing?

My vote stands for now, I just really am having a hard time trying to get what it is your saying, Tables.
 
I'm making a play here. I just want it to go on record so that everyone believes me when I reveal that play.

All right, I was using the "Bad Townie Gambit". It reads:

This gambit is best pulled off by a Vanilla Townie. In the first day of the game, act scummy in an intentional act to draw a small wagon. Without a doubt you'll have one or two over-eager wolves hop on your wagon near the middle. Naturally, it is best you reveal your ploy soon after, lest you actually get lynched.

You said that you were making a play, but in between those 2 posts made no "play" whatsoever. If you're saying that all the stuff before was your "play" then there's no reason to believe you since the "play" had already occured. It seems like you needed to stall for time to find a reason for all the mistakes you made earlier and this is what you came up with.

Vablakes does have a valid excuse now, and defenently seems less suscpicious now.

His reason isn't valid, just because he says he was doing that doesn't necessarily mean he was doing. You seem quick to accept his accuse without thinking about whether or not he was telling the truth.
 
@everyone suspicious of the gap between the time I said I was making a play and the time I revealed it: I was going to try to salvage the gambit and continue with it. Then I saw that all hope was lost and revealed.

@SMP88, I don't have a clue what you mean when you say that I "made a mistake that made me look scummy". The whole point of the gambit was to look scummy. I didn't reveal the gambit before saying I made a mistake because I was trying to continue the gambit, but realized that if I continued looking scummy no one would believe me about the gambit.
 
@everyone suspicious of the gap between the time I said I was making a play and the time I revealed it: I was going to try to salvage the gambit and continue with it. Then I saw that all hope was lost and revealed.

@SMP88, I don't have a clue what you mean when you say that I "made a mistake that made me look scummy". The whole point of the gambit was to look scummy. I didn't reveal the gambit before saying I made a mistake because I was trying to continue the gambit, but realized that if I continued looking scummy no one would believe me about the gambit.

Let me get this straight, you make a post saying that you had made a mistake on a previous post. An hour and a half later you decide to say that you're going to reveal your play. Then in the next hour you try to decide whether to continue with the gambit you started or to reveal it. Why bother thinking about continuing with this gambit? This really just looks like you screwed up early, had people say you were scummy then got coached into finding a gambit to pin it on.
 
Let me get this straight, you make a post saying that you had made a mistake on a previous post. Yes. At that point I was planning on continuing the gambit. An hour and a half later you decide to say that you're going to reveal your play. Yes. I thought long and hard. I came to the conclusion that if I kept up the gambit I would look to scummy to claim gambit.Then in the next hour you try to decide whether to continue with the gambit you started or to reveal it. It was a testing time. Seeing how people respond. If they didn't think of gambit (an off chance, I suppose) I would continue the gambit. If they guessed and I couldn't change their minds, I would reveal. Why bother thinking about continuing with this gambit? I answered this in my last stayement to an extent. Why would I continue the gambit? To try and find wolves. This really just looks like you screwed up early, had people say you were scummy then got coached into finding a gambit to pin it on. That is not the case at all. Who would "coach me"? That would be contact outside of this thread which is prohibited by the rules.

My replies in bold. Thank you for being a player who posts well thought out posts that bring up valid points, even if those valid points are against me. :lol::thumb:
 
I'm not really buying this Vablakes. If you act scummy in order to "draw out bandwagoning wolves", you would also draw out Townies. I don't really see this gambit working very well.

But anyways, since you "pulled off" this gambit, what would you say were your results? I would like to know how your reads stand at the moment.
 
I'm not really buying this Vablakes. If you act scummy in order to "draw out bandwagoning wolves", you would also draw out Townies. I don't really see this gambit working very well.

But anyways, since you "pulled off" this gambit, what would you say were your results? I would like to know how your reads stand at the moment.
Well, the only thing that was suspicious to me:

Apparently we have two different views, I was simply trying to understand why a townie would lurk it just doesn't make sense to me unless theres a valid reason and as for my inactivity I'm just wrapping up my first semester in college and have been studying furiously for finals, my studies come first and foremost sorry. Jellyfisher answered my question find that is a poor accusation of role fishing I completly disagree with your points. I wanted to expand my knowledge of the game, As foor reading over the game day vablakes has simply admitted he was wrong and made a crucial mistake, its day 1 Valblakes seems like the best or only option at the moment and will get my vote for now.

Vote: Valblakes

He says best or only. Why would I be the only option? Most of this post is him defending himself against rolefishing, and he only devotes one sentence as to why he voted to me. And half of it was fishy with the whole "best or only" thing. He says he voted for me because I admitted to a misplay. We all make them. I admitted that I did. That isn't very suspicious. He gives no real reason why I am the best or only. It looks like he wants people to think that I'm the only option. There are clearly 45. And others that are acting scummy. I am by no means the only option. Also, earlier in the day, he appeared to be rolefishing. Sorry, just to suspicious for my liking.

On a side note that has nothing to do with the gambit, Your_Face is being weird. Seriously? "Check out my thread." That is all he has to say?
 
StrongRhino, public warning. You are never to double post, even if you've made a mistake in the previous post. Wait until someone else has posted before you correct your post.

On that note, I ask everyone who has not done so to go read the rules. I requested it in the first post of old and new players alike, there have been changes for you old hands, and you new members (from another site or otherwise) should get acquainted with them. I would like to remind you that yes, repeated breaking of the rules will get you modkilled. This is the last time I will ask this of you guys.

Now, on an unrelated note, I do have classes Mon-Thurs, so response rate will be slowed if you ask me a question. Remember, Lucario EX is alive and able to take questions as well.
 
Vote: Vablakes

Vablakes has consistently attempted to avoid really targeting or questioning Human_Destroyer and is an awfully defensive and hasty player. He has the most posts in the thread bar FtP and I think that's telling.

Still waiting to hear from jpulice. Very suspicious of this guy. His posts are so unclear but aggressive and confrontational. Don't like anything about that.

Thanks JQ for the response, I did actually mean you, though PJ's thoughts are/would be nice too.
 
Sorry all spent the day with the family. Thread skimmed.... Need to re-read. Arghhh, Kayle gotta get back to you. But I'll say you flattery (suspicions) will get you everywhere with me. Blushes shamelessly.

Something is going on with vablakes (needs a closer read). Will post more later tomorrow night.

Where the heck is Diaz? His absence is bothering me.
 
When I nightkill someone in a previous game because I legitimately feel he's MVP and then that same person turns into a grumbling mass of uselessness the next game? Yeah. Suspicious as heck. Blush me a rose glaceon boy. <3
 
ProHawk: Yes, scorri has discovered thanks to eclipse point this out that Crimsonsky is a player on Serenes as well so that could explain some of that.

scorri would also like to explain that on Serenes we are usually required to use ##Vote to make it easier for the mod to find votes.
 
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