Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!

H_D, I really don't care that much what your reads are, you are the one I want a read on. Either you're oblivious to our continued suspicion of you, or your response to pressure is to throw reads all over the place and try to get us to all agree with your two-sentence examinations of every single person. Why did you bother posting reads of people who haven't posted yet anyway (other than kk)?? Why bother posting null reads? It's like you're trying to drag this out and give us as little information as possible. Didn't you, in your first post of the game, emphasize that no one wants to read long posts? Are you just trying to establish blind credibility by posting neatly formatted and color-coded hot air so that people will go with the flow of your accusations?

Maybe it's just me, but it feels like a lot of people are playing very strangely today.
 
scorri doesn't know how things work over here, but on Serenes, people tend to find long list posts like what Human_Destroyer just posted rather suspicious. scorri views it as a way of appearing to contribute without actually committing to anything. Since Human_Destroyer didn't state any serious scum reads, H_D has the ability to go back on any of these reads and say they weren't serious reads. scorri likes this vote for now.

[UNVOTE:SANDSLASH7
VOTE:HUMAN_DESTROYER
 
I don't understand how being asked for my reads then giving them incurs more votes. Seems counterintuitive, don't you think? I'm not afraid to post my opinions just because you none of them "are serious scum reads".
 
scorri doesn't see a point in outing null or town reads. Town reads just give wolves better targets. scum reads are really the only useful reads to out in scorri's opinion and maybe null reads if the person that scorri has a null read on is being discussed.
 
G landers said:
Apparently we have two different views, I was simply trying to understand why a townie would lurk it just doesn't make sense to me unless theres a valid reason and as for my inactivity I'm just wrapping up my first semester in college and have been studying furiously for finals, my studies come first and foremost sorry. Jellyfisher answered my question find that is a poor accusation of role fishing I completly disagree with your points. I wanted to expand my knowledge of the game, As foor reading over the game day vablakes has simply admitted he was wrong and made a crucial mistake, its day 1 Valblakes seems like the best or only option at the moment and will get my vote for now.

Vote: Valblakes
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Gee, this isn't bandwagoning at all. :/

If you want to expand your knowledge of the game, then go do some research. Read the compendium thread if you haven't already. I can understand that if you have no where else to go, but that WAS role-fishing. You weren't just asking for the circumstance, but for a specific role to go with it. That is role fishing.

G landers said:
I meant as in so far you're the best or only option I can always switch if something better comes along.
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....So you are basically saying "HEY! WOLVES! I'm a free vote if you find someone better to kill!"
I'd vote you again if I could.

I am almost certain that G landers is scum. He starts off with role-fishing, and then he says that he'll switch his vote if something better comes along.

Vablakes said:
Well, the only thing that was suspicious to me:

G landers said:
Apparently we have two different views, I was simply trying to understand why a townie would lurk it just doesn't make sense to me unless theres a valid reason and as for my inactivity I'm just wrapping up my first semester in college and have been studying furiously for finals, my studies come first and foremost sorry. Jellyfisher answered my question find that is a poor accusation of role fishing I completly disagree with your points. I wanted to expand my knowledge of the game, As foor reading over the game day vablakes has simply admitted he was wrong and made a crucial mistake, its day 1 Valblakes seems like the best or only option at the moment and will get my vote for now.

Vote: Valblakes
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He says best or only. Why would I be the only option? Most of this post is him defending himself against rolefishing, and he only devotes one sentence as to why he voted to me. And half of it was fishy with the whole "best or only" thing. He says he voted for me because I admitted to a misplay. We all make them. I admitted that I did. That isn't very suspicious. He gives no real reason why I am the best or only. It looks like he wants people to think that I'm the only option. There are clearly 45. And others that are acting scummy. I am by no means the only option. Also, earlier in the day, he appeared to be rolefishing. Sorry, just to suspicious for my liking.

On a side note that has nothing to do with the gambit, Your_Face is being weird. Seriously? "Check out my thread." That is all he has to say?
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QFT.


Onto the Vablakes case:

Vablakes said:
All right, I was using the "Bad Townie Gambit". It reads:

This gambit is best pulled off by a Vanilla Townie. In the first day of the game, act scummy in an intentional act to draw a small wagon. Without a doubt you'll have one or two over-eager wolves hop on your wagon near the middle. Naturally, it is best you reveal your ploy soon after, lest you actually get lynched.
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This I think I can believe, though I do not believe that he did a good job of it. I'm starting to believe that this isn't your first game after all, and you were only trying to seem like a noob in order to pull this gambit off.


Kayle said:
Vote: Vablakes

Vablakes has consistently attempted to avoid really targeting or questioning Human_Destroyer and is an awfully defensive and hasty player. He has the most posts in the thread bar FtP and I think that's telling.

Still waiting to hear from jpulice. Very suspicious of this guy. His posts are so unclear but aggressive and confrontational. Don't like anything about that.

Thanks JQ for the response, I did actually mean you, though PJ's thoughts are/would be nice too.
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You're welcome.


I'm also inclined to agree with Human_Destroyer about Sandslash7. He is acting very paranoid. Why are you focusing so much on small things? I can understand them needing to be pointed out (Though the role confirmed thing is ridiculous), but it really looks like you are trying to distract the town from something else.
 
scorri said:
scorri doesn't see a point in outing null or town reads. Town reads just give wolves better targets. scum reads are really the only useful reads to out in scorri's opinion and maybe null reads if the person that scorri has a null read on is being discussed.
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The scum already know who the town is, so I don't think revealing who I think is town or null is going to be a big issue.
 
H_D seems to have missed scorri's point. If, theoretically, everyone agreed that a person was town, scum could kill said person without worrying about how that would affect people's reads. Or, if everyone has a null read on a person scum kill said person without allowing for reads based off interaction. scorri just doesn't see a need to give scum more info than they start with.
 
But, I haven't given them more info scorri. If someone that I notice to be really pro-town for example, doesn't get killed off, don't you think I would find that mildly suspicious? Wouldn't you think that person poses a threat to the werewolves, so they would kill them? Now, yeah, that's WIFOMy, but a) I don't think there is ever a point when EVERY SINGLE PERSON agrees that one guy is town, and b) if I read someone as pro-town, don't you think I can analyze the interactions they already made? Don't you think they'd realize when people start regarding a player as pro-town, whether people announce it or not?
 
Okay this is getting crazy fast, Vablakes seems to be scummy, contradicting yourself reads scum, cause Vablakes could have changed his mind cause he thought that everyone would vote for him if he voted for this guy. Also things seem to be getting slightly crazy as I stated before, wolves try to confuse everyone, I see scum reads on Vablakes, noobs tend to make silly mistakes that end up costing them dearly. Also the whole idea of putting pressure on people to get them to slip, may be a way to hide RVSing.
 
@scorri: Usually we all at one point or another give out our reads, so we give that info to the wolves anyway. It is just a natural part of the game. That may or many not be the same on Serenes, but it is the way it goes on the Pokegym.


PikaJewel said:
Okay this is getting crazy fast, Vablakes seems to be scummy, contradicting yourself reads scum, cause Vablakes could have changed his mind cause he thought that everyone would vote for him if he voted for this guy. Also things seem to be getting slightly crazy as I stated before, wolves try to confuse everyone, I see scum reads on Vablakes, noobs tend to make silly mistakes that end up costing them dearly. Also the whole idea of putting pressure on people to get them to slip, may be a way to hide RVSing.
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................Wha?

Your points:

1: This game is getting to be crazy because the wolves have been trying to confuse everyone.

2: Vablakes is scummy because he is noob that made a silly mistake.

3: 'Pressure votes' are to hide RVSing.

My responces:

1: Of course the wolves are going to try to confuse everyone, but you seem to by the only one that thinks that everything is going crazy at the moment.

2: All noobs make mistakes. If you are going by that logic, you could say that you yourself are scummy. But even though he made a mistake, that doesn't mean that he is scum.


3: First off, there is no suching thing as 'RVSing'. RVS means Random Voting Stage. Your point should be 'Pressure votes are to hid random voting'.
Second, I find that to be wrong. I myself have pressure voted in several instances, and it wasn't random voting.

You need to start cleaning up your case.

Fos: PikaJewel
 
JewelQuest said:
I'm also inclined to agree with Human_Destroyer about Sandslash7. He is acting very paranoid. Why are you focusing so much on small things? I can understand them needing to be pointed out (Though the role confirmed thing is ridiculous), but it really looks like you are trying to distract the town from something else.
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I'm focusing on small things because other players are not. I'm focusing on small things because they bother me. I'm building reads based off of players response to my questions, be they about large issues or small.


Vablakes ~ I like how you've turned around your play. Your most recent posts are much better. I'm leaning towards newbtown.

Sheepbro ~ Condescension noted.

HD ~ If you feel Kirbyking leans scum (your only scum read at this point), why not pressure with a vote?
 
pokemonfreak5 said:
Ok. I first noticed this post during the freeze, and since then have been unavailable to get the time to comment on it (asking for a bump in my timezone apparently doesn't work so well...)

I have not read most of page 12 yet.

Benzo has already iterated a lot of what I'm going to say. But I think it was too readily dropped. The first few sentences in particular caught my eye.

It basically comes down to 3 things.

1) Pointless post expanding fluff
2) Alright townies, follow me. (Ala Cabd last game)
3) Scum Talk

Comments in bold


Oh, I should probably slip some real content here in the end. Hmm, I know, lets buddy up to someone giving a public slight town read on day 1.


Vote: Tables

For reasons stated above.
Providing unnecessary content to chew up discussion time and make post appear bigger,
Attempting to lead or direct the town by playing the helpful friendly guy,
Speculating a bit too heavily about unknown scum information.


Oh and I'm also going to quickly agree with DP in that townies are more likely to fake impeds that wolves. Combined with the new warning system, I don't think we have anything against scorri.
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I think Tables is doing the right thing by assuming wolves are communicating. We could assume radio silence, but that would put us (town) at a disadvantage. Do you want us (townies) at a disadvantage?
 
H_D, you just posted at least seven useless null reads (including a self-read, which literally means nothing whatsoever except hinting at a lot of self-importance), in between time you claim to be spending doing homework. If you're busy, how about you just sit down and give us everything you have useful? Or do you not have anything useful to say? Because honesty would be the best policy for a townie. So be honest with us.

FoS: G_Landers and SS7. Had my eyes on both of you for a while. (jpulice is still on this list.)
Unvote: Vablakes
I don't think I want to drop a vote on you yet, H_D, but consider yourself unofficially voted.
 
Well, since everyone wants to see me get to the point, it seems like I'll be doing just that.

pokemonrocks77, could you make some posts please?

Jpulice: Jpulice has just been playing...weird all game.

Post #1 he immediately says ProHawk is leaning Town and bandwagons. (I think that's considered bandwagoning?)

Post #2 is a bit of an interesting thing. If you played like this last game, where you were scum, then why would you use the exact same playstyle, and then say it's WIFOM? Why would you WIFOM the town about whether you are scum or not?

Post #3 is uninteresting.

Post #4: How does a vote on you from thunderjolt make him paranoid?

This post just makes him look like he's buddying. Hard. You're literally telling us to assume ProHawk is town just because you said so.

Post #6 is filler, so nothing to say about it.

This is one of my really major scumreads.

Unvote: Pokemonplayer101
Vote: Jpulice

BTW, Sandslash, that's the other reason I didn't vote KK. I'm ending this post now so I can eat dinner and Kayle can make a post.
 
Thanks Glaceon, sorry to make you do that only to have H_D ninja me. -_-

Just wanted to add Vegitalian to my FoS. You're so cautious in your posting and the topics you discuss. Trying to look active and observant without actually contributing anything, but also keeping your feet out of the controversial topics. Your only contribution to any up-to-date conversation is "I don't think SS7 is doing anything scummy", and that was many pages ago. You aren't trying to convince us to actually think about what you want to say, you're just poking the thread so you can look alive later.

H_D: Thank you for getting straight to it. You have not cleared my suspicion of you, but that's much more useful information for everyone. When you get back on to post more reads, please keep them succinct and relevant like that in the future.
 
JewelQuest said:
....So you are basically saying "HEY! WOLVES! I'm a free vote if you find someone better to kill!"
I'd vote you again if I could.

I am almost certain that G landers is scum. He starts off with role-fishing, and then he says that he'll switch his vote if something better comes along.
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You say you're almost certain that G landers is scum...but then you don't vote for him. Why is that?

Vablakes said:
PokemonPlayer101 is sort of eh, not really scummy, but all of his posts have been as useful as a Zubat in a dark cave.
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Zubat, being a species of bat, rely on the use of echolocation to easily navigate through the darkness. A Zubat would be very useful in a dark cave. I agree with you that PP101 has not been very helpful, but he's more like a Charmander in a river than a Zubat in a dark cave. Has nothing really to do with anything, just a technical issue. :thumb:

H_D said:
7. Kirbyking

Uh, hey, Kirbyking? Do you plan on posting anything? At all? Ever? This lurking is (as far as I can tell) extremely unlike you, and I find that suspicious.

Read: Leans Scum
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KK has yet to post anything in game, why do you find him Leaning Scum? Moo2 has yet to post anything, and Shinori hasn't posted too much either, yet you find them Null? Care to explain your reasoning?
 
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