Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!

[Kayle]

@Kayle, I'm shocked you thought I was an MVP when you killed me! I'm honestly baffled. I was a total newb that game. Oh... I know you are talking about XVII-A, I'm just letting you know I haven't forgot about our first game, where you shamelessly killed me off. Honestly, you are heightening my suspicions, towards you. I'm obviously a threat to you. I'm not sure if you know I'm town and your are cutting me down, this is multiball and you are on a non traditional win con, ORRRRR you are lazy town, wanting me to do more heavy lifting for you. So which one is it?

Holy emotionally manipulative, Batman.

Unvote: Vablakes
Vote: jpulice

I'm digging my own grave here, I know, but you can't expect this kind of a response to work with me. We were being playful and silly, yes, but those first three sentences are really fluffy and irrelevant and clearly you mean to work me up. Not going to work, sorry, you just look stupid.

I don't have a whole lot of meta on you, and I suspect you're a much more experienced player than I know of, but what I see in you is an attempt to turn your obviously pro-town play in XVIIA into a wolf strategy and overextending. You're too harsh, you're too mean, and you aren't actually accomplishing anything worthwhile in your defense against me - probably because you can't. I asked you why you are being gruff, rude, and still showing neither hide nor hair of your excellent scumhunting and pressuring abilities I saw from XVIIA. You are trying to rile up H_D while providing just enough of a response that you escape implication, but in my eyes fail to actually clear suspicion.

You aren't "obviously a threat" to me, you're just acting super scummy, treating me and the rest of the town like we're idiots at best and your enemies at worst. I don't know where you come off calling me lazy, either - I went to a good bit of work to get you to post, now, didn't I? And boy am I glad I did!

 

[Human Destroyer]

Hey H_D. Please read.... Here's the direct quote. How would you expect me to play? My comment to thunderjolt is similar to yours. You can not use my past game to indicate my alignment. If you did then you should be using all of my games, which you won't establish an easy meta. Again this is all WIFOM. I'm not using WIFOM, thunderjolt is.

Wait so then I just misinterpreted? Okay, I'll give you that one then.

Additionally, if you refuse to read any of my previous games, you clearly have no intent on determining my actual alignment. Additionally, DC725 has asked you a fantastic question about your read on Moo. If you only have played one WW game how have you established meta on KK? How is he lurking and not Moo. I was expecting more from Moo with his few posts prior to the restart of the day. However, you find this null. WHY?

I've read WWVIIC. KK was a townie that game. He was active. On the other hand, if Moo has played, I've never read a game of his. I never said he wasn't lurking, I said it isn't as easy to determine as KK since this just isn't the way KK plays.

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P-edit, H-D I don't find you hunting at all. How can you suggest PM for his suspicions and is play when you are not doing anything yourself.

I'm asking him questions. Is it problematic to you that I'm asking him a question because you happen to dislike my play? Also, I'd say getting reads on people IS in fact doing something.

Oh and since Kayle just posted right before I posted this: If you're trying to rile me up, it isn't working.

 

[jpulice]

Holy emotionally manipulative, Batman.

Unvote: Vablakes
Vote: jpulice

I'm digging my own grave here, I know, but you can't expect this kind of a response to work with me. We were being playful and silly, yes, but those first three sentences are really fluffy and irrelevant and clearly you mean to work me up. Not going to work, sorry, you just look stupid.

I don't have a whole lot of meta on you, and I suspect you're a much more experienced player than I know of, but what I see in you is an attempt to turn your obviously pro-town play in XVIIA into a wolf strategy and overextending. You're too harsh, you're too mean, and you aren't actually accomplishing anything worthwhile in your defense against me - probably because you can't. I asked you why you are being gruff, rude, and still showing neither hide nor hair of your excellent scumhunting and pressuring abilities I saw from XVIIA. You are trying to rile up H_D while providing just enough of a response that you escape implication, but in my eyes fail to actually clear suspicion.

You aren't "obviously a threat" to me, you're just acting super scummy, treating me and the rest of the town like we're idiots at best and your enemies at worst. I don't know where you come off calling me lazy, either - I went to a good bit of work to get you to post, now, didn't I? And boy am I glad I did!

^silly one... It's alreading working and yet you are to close to see it.

Kayle, leans town. Two down for today.. Umm that's where I was in A. But I guess since it's 45 I should really clear 4. Ok back to work.....

 

[PikaJewel]

I'm not going to point a ton of fingers yet, but my sis (JewelQuest) seems to be acting suspicious. with Vablakes I can see him being a new townie who made a stupid mistake (try looking at me) and wasn't trying to do anything more than just help the town.

 

[Absoltrainer]

The best defense is a good offense? I don't know what you're worried about - you voted for him, so if Valblakes is a wolf, it actually makes you look more like a townie.

These were all my impressions - whether you defended someone or not, my post was all about how I perceived your post. Back up your points - the way I see it is:
a) if you're a wolf, you're definitely going to contest my post if you tried to defend a fellow wolf
b) if you're a townie, you either backed a wolf without good reason, or you have nothing to worry about

Notice I put myself for the two people I defended? I'm not about a double-standard. If you think I wrongly put you on my list, you can quote your post and explain your reasoning behind it (it's a long list, I'm not going to quote all of the posts) - chances are that's a bad idea though.

Based on point a) you are indirectly calling me a wolf if Vablakes is a wolf because I called you out for wrongly saying I defended him? You are saying that if I was town, I would not contest that you were displaying wrong information about my actions? But it goes past defending now, you go on to say that if I was town, I "backed" a wolf without good reason.

Point b certainly comes off funny. Assuming Vablakes is a wolf, you are telling me I either contested your false information because I was a wolf, or I "backed" a wolf without a good reason. Now this is interesting. You changed your whole point. It went from "defend" to "backed." Those are very, very different things. But yeah, I think I WILL quote my post.

Here's the link: http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2362265&postcount=215
to where I attack HD and his case against Valblake. Nowhere did I defend Valblake and I will tell you something vegitalian, twisting words like that, changing intensity like from "defend" to "backed." These are all very, very scummy tactics. Your entire post above is a sublte accusation of me without actually coming out and saying it.

Unvote: Vablake
Vote: vegitalian

Clearly I was not the only one who disagreed with your post:

I don't recall defending Diaz. Could you point me to a quote?

I wouldn't say I defended ProHawk, and if you did want to say I defended him, you should probably also clarify that I only did so after pressuring him and getting a response I liked...

To which you responded:

^ I realize you were defending his point (more subtly his playstyle, though), but only right after I voted for him. I'm not saying any of this means anything right now, but we can draw inferences when the time comes...

Wait what? You are of course saying it means something, you went the trouble of pointing it out, and are implying it will mean something later. Also what’s with this “you’re right you were defending his point (but more subtly his playstyle.) You have no proof of that either. You are doing exactly the opposite of what you just said:

These were all my impressions - whether you defended someone or not, my post was all about how I perceived your post. Back up your points -

Vablake may be doing some really fishy stuff, but what you just did really raised a red flag.
-You posted False information
-You didn’t bother to even cite or back up your own opinions, which you just contradicted in your next post

These were all my impressions - whether you defended someone or not, my post was all about how I perceived your post. Back up your points -

Because you didn't back up ANY of your points

a) if you're a wolf, you're definitely going to contest my post if you tried to defend a fellow wolf
b) if you're a townie, you either backed a wolf without good reason, or you have nothing to worry about

-You further went on to accuse me of either being a wolf who doesn’t like that you said I was falsely defending Vablake or I am a dumb townie who backed a wolf without a good reason. Do you know for sure Vablake is a wolf? You sure seemed confident in that second statement.

Scrolling back up, I happen to see this:

I think Tables is doing the right thing by assuming wolves are communicating. We could assume radio silence, but that would put us (town) at a disadvantage. Do you want us (townies) at a disadvantage?

This whole post is off. It’s one thing for him to make a point and say “I think it’s safe to assume the wolves can talk,” but that part at the end really gets me. It’s a loaded question and no matter how it would be awnsered it would put the person he was asking [PokemonFreak5] in the wrong. Not the mention it’s unnecessary and unprompted given the situation.

But then there’s this post as well:

I agree with a lot of peoples' suspicions thus far (but am not willing to hop on a bandwagon until I see something more concrete), and would like to point out that although I'm new here, everyone posting a lot doesn't only benefit townies. It benefits the wolves, which makes this post a little strange...

RoS: Diaz

What? Don’t post a lot? It helps the wolves? You make a point to say you’re new? Who cares? I don’t. You make a point to say that you agree with everyone, but won’t hop on the bandwagon. This post is entirely filler and fluff, adds nothing to the conversation, and is useless.

No, no something is going on with you vegitalian. You are indirectly trying to accuse people without just out and saying it, you are posting just enough to stay active, but most of your post contribute nothing, and you say “back-up your points” and post information on people (including some false one) without backing up any of it, claiming it is just “how you perceived it.”

Your move.

 

[Glaceon]

I'm not going to point a ton of fingers yet, but my sis (JewelQuest) seems to be acting suspicious.

Explain?

[DEL]And you are not pointing a ton of fingers, just one atm ;][/DEL]

 

[Absoltrainer]

Forgot to add this:

If you think I wrongly put you on my list, you can quote your post and explain your reasoning behind it (it's a long list, I'm not going to quote all of the posts) - chances are that's a bad idea though.

Is that a threat I sense at the end? Are you daring me to do what I just did two posts up? That doesn't help your case at all.

 

[StrongRhino]

First of all, I'd like to apologize for double posting.
When I said that Vablakes did have a pretty valid reason and seemed less suscpicious, I didn't mean not suscpicious, just less.
Adding to FoS:Everyone who hasn't posted yet (especially Your_Face, who clearly knows about this thread)
I also think we should stop guessing about the replacements alignments from who was gotten rid of, because we were told to play like it didn't happen.

 

[Sandslash7]

@SS7, please explain why Tables post was suspicious again.

I didn't say it was suspicious. I asked what data he/she had for making the claim that two scum factions were likely based on the number of possible scum we have in this game. I also noted that I'm wary of meta ideas that someone may be pushing without in-game evidence. (especially if that person is from another forum with a completely different meta). The way he said it (along with his dismissal "if I can be bothered") bothered me, and I wanted more concrete data to justify the statement. (note my writing of the WMAT is based around data JUST like the kind I requested).

From Gym meta, the largest game we have had was Absol's at 41. That game, there was only one "wolf faction, (6 members)" and no other traditional scum factions (sith not counting for obvious reasons.) All other previous games have only had one primary scum faction, with various independents.

Thus, for Tables to make a quick statement about two primary scum factions in a meta that has not seen them was strange, and required elucidation.

 

[jpulice]

Glaceon, how is post 405 wolf motivated?

Also, the your_ face and Pokemonrocks post seem similar and completely useless. Once I get back to a computer I'll pull them up.

 

[vegitalian]

Based on point a) you are indirectly calling me a wolf if Vablakes is a wolf because I called you out for wrongly saying I defended him? You are saying that if I was town, I would not contest that you were displaying wrong information about my actions? But it goes past defending now, you go on to say that if I was town, I "backed" a wolf without good reason.

Point b certainly comes off funny. Assuming Vablakes is a wolf, you are telling me I either contested your false information because I was a wolf, or I "backed" a wolf without a good reason. Now this is interesting. You changed your whole point. It went from "defend" to "backed." Those are very, very different things. But yeah, I think I WILL quote my post.

I think there may be some miscommunication - only the first sentence was directed at you. The others were more generally directed to people that did want to contest my take on the posts. Funny results, though.

Here's the link: http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2362265&postcount=215
to where I attack HD and his case against Valblake. Nowhere did I defend Valblake and I will tell you something vegitalian, twisting words like that, changing intensity like from "defend" to "backed." These are all very, very scummy tactics. Your entire post above is a sublte accusation of me without actually coming out and saying it.

Backing and Defending are too very similar terms. Nitpicking on words is fun, but kind of pointless. Again, miscommunication. You took it the wrong way, and are getting all up-in-arms for no reason.

Unvote: Vablake
Vote: vegitalian


Clearly I was not the only one who disagreed with your post:




To which you responded:


Wait what? You are of course saying it means something, you went the trouble of pointing it out, and are implying it will mean something later. Also what’s with this “you’re right you were defending his point (but more subtly his playstyle.) You have no proof of that either. You are doing exactly the opposite of what you just said:


Vablake may be doing some really fishy stuff, but what you just did really raised a red flag.
-You posted False information
-You didn’t bother to even cite or back up your own opinions, which you just contradicted in your next post

Because you didn't back up ANY of your points


-You further went on to accuse me of either being a wolf (no I didn't) who doesn’t like that you said I was falsely defending Vablake or I am a dumb townie who backed a wolf without a good reason. Do you know for sure Vablake is a wolf? You sure seemed confident in that second statement.

Scrolling back up, I happen to see this:



This whole post is off. It’s one thing for him to make a point and say “I think it’s safe to assume the wolves can talk,” but that part at the end really gets me. It’s a loaded question and no matter how it would be awnsered it would put the person he was asking [PokemonFreak5] in the wrong. Not the mention it’s unnecessary and unprompted given the situation.

But then there’s this post as well:


What? Don’t post a lot? It helps the wolves? You make a point to say you’re new? Who cares? I don’t. You make a point to say that you agree with everyone, but won’t hop on the bandwagon. This post is entirely filler and fluff, adds nothing to the conversation, and is useless.

No, no something is going on with you vegitalian. You are indirectly trying to accuse people without just out and saying it, you are posting just enough to stay active, but most of your post contribute nothing, and you say “back-up your points” and post information on people (including some false one) without backing up any of it, claiming it is just “how you perceived it.”

It's all perception, isn't it?

You’re move.

I am move. Nice to meet you.

I'm not going to outright vote you (yet), but your overreaction seems a bit scummy. If I didn't touch on a nerve, you could've argued the point with less emotion and probably would've come off a lot more informed. Tear some more posts of mine apart, will you?

 

[DragonClyne725]

When I said that Vablakes did have a pretty valid reason and seemed less suscpicious, I didn't mean not suscpicious, just less.
Adding to FoS: Everyone who hasn't posted yet (especially Your_Face, who clearly knows about this thread)
I also think we should stop guessing about the replacements alignments from who was gotten rid of, because we were told to play like it didn't happen.

Sounds almost like you're trying to cover your tracks a bit. Your referenced post (#326) states that you find Vablakes less suspicious, not that you don't find him suspicious at all. Why do you feel the need to bring that up now? Also, what's up with FoS at everyone who has not posted yet? I like to point fingers too, but if you're going to FoS people, at least provide names.

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I didn't say it was suspicious. I asked what data he/she had for making the claim that two scum factions were likely based on the number of possible scum we have in this game. I also noted that I'm wary of meta ideas that someone may be pushing without in-game evidence. (especially if that person is from another forum with a completely different meta). The way he said it (along with his dismissal "if I can be bothered") bothered me, and I wanted more concrete data to justify the statement. (note my writing of the WMAT is based around data JUST like the kind I requested).

Maybe it's just how you worded this, but I'm confused. You didn't find Tables' suggestion of there being a second enemy faction "suspicious", but you were bothered by it? Doesn't being bothered by something make you suspicious?

Also, these two quotes of yours do make it sound as if you are suspicious of Tables:

Are you setting up the town to split-vote two different factions by planting the idea early?

I was looking for data and reasons for why you would expect a moderator to split the anti-town faction into two factions at that number. It would be very easy to haphazardly say something like that to plant an idea into townie's minds, and come back to it later when you are on the block.

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Now about vegitalian, concerning post #385.

I don't exactly agree with how you displayed information. Firstly, you divided the categories into two topics: Defended by (___) or Claimed (___). As some people have already pointed out, disagreeing with an argument led against another person does not directly equal defending said person. It can, but not always, as your chart displays.

Also, your "Claimed (alignment) by (person)" just doesn't sit right with me. It's almost like you are preparing an argument for later on try and prove peoples' alignments. This is Day 1: most people are only going off of their initial reads, nothing is set in stone as far as reads go. Just using the word "Claimed" immediately makes me think to something permanent, which sort of irks me.

Suspicious Pointy Finger: vegitalian

I don't exactly agree with the way information was displayed, but I don't think vegitalian has earned my vote just yet.

 

[vegitalian]

I would like to clarify that by "only the first sentence was directed at you", I meant to say 'paragraph'.

 

[jpulice]

Goldedda and Angry_Brother hows the working on battles going?

@everyone sorry I posted in the Wrong thread

can people check out my tread

sorry wrong tread

Look at the sorry wrong thread comment. Something is going on. They absolutely need to post more.

Unvote Human Destroyer

Vote: Pokemonrocks777


Pokemonrock777 what is your read on PikaJewel?

Your_Face, why did you use the same "wrong" thread wording as Pokemonrocks777


@mod. Would you please add the voting person in your vote count?

also prod request of Your_Face / Pokemonrocks777 (and anyone else who has failed to post, Moo, HomeofMew....).

 

[Pikamaster]

Considering what time of year it is, there won't be a prod until Night 1/the start of D2. If the players who haven't posted do not post on Day 2, they will be modkilled or replaced.

Also, as a note to all players, if you have a friend who would like to play, please tell them so they can sign up as a replacement. If there aren't replacements available, inactive players will be modkilled.

 

[Absoltrainer]

I'm not going to outright vote you (yet), but your overreaction seems a bit scummy. If I didn't touch on a nerve, you could've argued the point with less emotion and probably would've come off a lot more informed. Tear some more posts of mine apart, will you?

I don't have to.

You didn't argue any of my points. You didn't defend yourself at all. In fact you incriminated yourself further.

I think there may be some miscommunication - only the first sentence was directed at you. The others were more generally directed to people that did want to contest my take on the posts. Funny results, though.

You said I misinterpreted what you said when you responded to me because you were actually addressing everyone else? In a post directly in response to me, you were addressing other people? How’s that?

Backing and Defending are too very similar terms. Nitpicking on words is fun, but kind of pointless. Again, miscommunication. You took it the wrong way, and are getting all up-in-arms for no reason.

I am wrong to get “up-in-arms” because you are broadcasting false information about me? Is that what I’m seeing?

defending
1.Resist an attack made on (someone or something); protect from harm or danger: "we shall defend our country".
2.Speak or write in favor of (an action or person); attempt to justify: "he defended his policy of imposing high taxes".

backing
1.Support or help.
Synonyms
1. help, assistance, endorsement, sponsorship, sanction, patronage, encouragement.

Oh they are very different, but that's not the point is it? You never once addressed the fact that I accused you of falsely saying I defended Vablake Reguardless of the meaning of those words, I never did either of those things for Vablake, not that you even addressed that point so much as said "la la I can't hear you."

It's all perception, isn't it?

Well from my perception, I just called you a wolf and placed some very complling evidence on the table and you didn’t even bother to defend or counter ANY of my points? You just threw it aside as “perception.” Why would you do that?

I'm not going to outright vote you (yet), but your overreaction seems a bit scummy

There’s that “indirect” accusation again. The same thing I pointed out before.

If I didn't touch on a nerve, you could've argued the point with less emotion and probably would've come off a lot more informed. Tear some more posts of mine apart, will you?

I’d say I’m the one who touched a nerve with you. You refused to even argue anything I accused you of. You just called me “uniformed” yet I haven’t seen a single point where you proved I was uninformed. You even say “tear some more posts of mine apart will you?” Are you mad I “tore your post apart” or just mad that what I said is correct? You certainly didn’t counter or refute any of it. I just called you a wolf, and you just tossed it aside, you’re not even going to argue the point? Why’s that?

you can quote your post and explain your reasoning behind it (it's a long list, I'm not going to quote all of the posts) - chances are that's a bad idea though.

What about this? I did it, and you implied it was a bad idea. Did you mean it was a bad idea because you would ingore everything I accused you of and just call it "perception?" Because by my "perception" you just jumped to wolf supsect #1.

 

[pokemonplayer101]

(last post read: #407)

Alright, here's what I've got so far:

First off, here's just something that's annoying me, it's Vablakes, not Valblakes, Valbakes, or Vablake.

Next up, moo2 told me at school today that he's been having some computer problems, and so he hasn't been able to keep close track of the thread. I'll ask him tomorrow when he'll be able to get back on/if he needs a replacement or not (yep, the replacement might need a replacement :/)

I haven't been able to post too much, either, as I have school, and then homework on top of that. And I don't have a cell phone, so if I'm out and about, my 3DS is my only hope. Sorry for being kind of inactive. :/ I really do try my best.

Now on to Vablakes:

Vablakes truly is a new player at this, he wasn't playing nooby for the gambit (if it really was a gambit, that is). The only game he's played that's at all like Werewolf is Virus on 6p.

On to the gambit itself. I think that he really was trying to play the gambit, but as a new player, he treated Cabd's/SS7's Werewolf guide as the instructions on how to play the game. I'm not saying that the Compendium is bad, I'm just saying that it's not mandatory to play the game, and everything listed there isn't required to play the role that you have. (I really don't want that statement to come off as offensive to SS7 & Cabd, as I love the work that you two put into it. I read the thing myself, and personally loved it. I just want to say that you don't need to follow everything it says, that's all)

Now, just because I believe that he truly was trying to pull of that gambit doesn't mean I don't think that he might be a wolf (does that make sense?). He could've been coached into using it, trying to make him look pro-town (obviously that didn't work). Or maybe I'm wrong, and he was just coached into using that as a cover-up.

I also want to point out that, in this post:

My replies in bold. Thank you for being a player who posts well thought out posts that bring up valid points, even if those valid points are against me. :lol::thumb:

he tries to make send SMP88 into a guilt trip. :/

All in all, I'm sitting on the fence about Vablakes. I really don't know what my stance is on his plays. As of now, he's just a suspicion of mine. I don't think I'm going to place a vote on him quite yet.


Next up,

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2361618#post2361618

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2362264#post2362264

You did not unvote between the two posts, Pokemonplayer101

UNVOTE: Vegitalian

Didn't want to forget about that before I decide on my vote lol.

There's this game, it's called werewolf. Basically, if you're a towny, the objective is to kill all the wolves. You do this by lynching them, unless you have a certain powerrole.

Oh and I didn't feel like typing: "Role received 1717171717."

Trying to crumb something, Sheepbro? Are you trying to suggest that you're a vig?

Maybe I'm just overthinking things. . . .

scorri doesn't know how things work over here, but on Serenes, people tend to find long list posts like what Human_Destroyer just posted rather suspicious. scorri views it as a way of appearing to contribute without actually committing to anything. Since Human_Destroyer didn't state any serious scum reads, H_D has the ability to go back on any of these reads and say they weren't serious reads. scorri likes this vote for now.

[UNVOTE:SANDSLASH7
VOTE:HUMAN_DESTROYER

Well, this isn't Serenes, and on both here and 6p, mass-reads like that are quite helpful. Oftentimes townies have suspicious players give their ISO's to try and tell if they're buddying up with people and such.

I'd like to post the following information, which should help us when we start uncovering roles. The following are players that have defended each other or claimed that someone is town. Specifically, if someone is revealed to be a wolf, it should provide us with some likely targets down the line. One strange thing I've noticed is that Pokemonplayer101 and Vablakes have been strongly supporting one another - part of the same wolf pack, or just friends? Please let me know if I've missed anyone, and keep in mind, wolves may defend townies in future posts to throw off the scent.

Crimsonsky
-> Defended by Human Destroyer
-> Defended by scorri
-> Defended by Vablakes
-> Defended by eclipse

Diaz
-> Defended by Human Destroyer

Dragonclyne725
-> Claimed town by Human Destroyer

Human Destroyer
-> Defended by TheKing
-> Defended by Luster Purge
-> Defended by desufnoc

jellyfisher
-> Claimed leaning town by Human Destroyer

Kayle
-> Claimed leaning town by Prohawk

Luster
-> Claimed town by ProHawk

Pokemonplayer101
-> Defended by Vablakes (*MUTUAL*)

Prohawk
-> Claimed town by jpulice
-> Defended by Kayle
-> Defended by JewelQuest

Sandslash7
-> Defended by vegitalian

Tables
-> Defended by vegitalian

Thunderjolt
-> Claimed leaning town by Human Destroyer

Vablakes
-> Defended by pokemonplayer101
-> Defended by Absoltrainer at first - then voted by AT
-> Defended by JewelQuest
-> Defended by StrongRhino
-> Defended by Sandslash7

In this quote, I see a lot of exaggerating people's posts. I did defend Vablakes to an extent (as I did above), but I never said that I didn't think he could be scum. It's kind of the point of the game. We don't know.

I'm not going to point a ton of fingers yet, but my sis (JewelQuest) seems to be acting suspicious. with Vablakes I can see him being a new townie who made a stupid mistake (try looking at me) and wasn't trying to do anything more than just help the town.

Why do you and JQ seem to keep going at each other? It seems that, just because you two are sisters, you're beating at each other. :/ Really, guys?





Well, this is what I've got as of now. I think I'll

VOTE: Vablakes

, but once I see the posts that were bound to ninja me, I might change my mind.

Hopefully I'll be a bit more active and a bit more helpful. :smile:

 

[Vablakes]

Ok guys, I'm tired and I don't want to make any mistakes when I post, so I'm gonna wait until tomorrow to post. Tomorrow, I plan on looking into the whole pokemonrocks777/Your_Face thing, the Vegitalian thing, and post a more detailed post about why I am suspicious of people, and why some of them I have changed my mind about, like Scorri. I will also look into Vegitalian's defended/claimed post. But for now, goodnight all, off to get some sleep so I can post a well thought out post in the morning.

 

[vegitalian]

Ok, I'll bite:

"How is that role-fishing? Because he said "what roles do we expect to see in this game?" And he thinks that power roles are going to be slipping and saying their role in response? The seer isn't going to say there might be seers in the game, the detective isn't going to say there might be detectives in the game, and anyone with a unique role not seen before isn't going to say it either. If Valblakes had PUSHED the topic to try and get roles, I would call it role fishing."

You were refuting others' points about Vablakes... Defending his post, and ultimately defending him. This was my perception - whether that was your intention? Probably not. I mentioned that you voted for him, which pretty much nullifies any link you have to him.

I wasn't clear when I quoted you - I get that. Miscommunication from my end.

End results?
-The rest of the players know a lot more about you as a player now (and myself)
-My eyes hurt from reading the walls of text
-Good times?

 

[JewelQuest]

I'm not going to point a ton of fingers yet, but my sis (JewelQuest) seems to be acting suspicious. with Vablakes I can see him being a new townie who made a stupid mistake (try looking at me) and wasn't trying to do anything more than just help the town.

...So, just because I Fos you, I'm suddenly suspicious? If you think that I am acting suspicious, please point out why.

Why do you and JQ seem to keep going at each other? It seems that, just because you two are sisters, you're beating at each other. :/ Really, guys?

Well, part of it is because I want her to realize right off the bat that I am not going to be easy on her because she is my sister and this is her first game.
The other part is that she really is acting suspicious in my mind. Her post before this one was full of really ridiculous arguments, and she hasn't bothered to even try to match against any of the points shown to her.