POP got cheap?
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coming from a 19 year old player
Wow lol. That sounds so selfish. Like it or not, this is a kids game. 15+ can play but it's still a kids game. And it's funny how you talk about "good" players. Do you expect the 10- and the 11-14 to have as much skill as the 17, 18 and 19 year olds? Have a 15 year old play a 10 year old and it's pretty obvious who will win... but no it's "ohhh we're better players than the children so we deserve more invites. Hahahahaaaa, c'mon people!
I think the 15+ whine and complain more than the 10- do... how ironic.
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Wow lol. That sounds so selfish. Like it or not, this is a kids game. 15+ can play but it's still a kids game. And it's funny how you talk about "good" players. Do you expect the 10- and the 11-14 to have as much skill as the 17, 18 and 19 year olds? Have a 15 year old play a 10 year old and it's pretty obvious who will win... but no it's "ohhh we're better players than the children so we deserve more invites. Hahahahaaaa, c'mon people!
I think the 15+ whine and complain more than the 10- do... how ironic.
EmeraldHanyou
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True in a sense, but "I" spent just as much when I was that young. I'd say the Masters division is the side effect of an already tapped market; we're the long term investment. Lose our support, and POP could enjoy their last set of Tier 2 tournaments.
I agree for the most part, but I would have enjoyed that bag. I hate having to clear out my school bag to carry cards in.
Took me a minute to register with these forums, and about five minutes to make this post; not everything could be converted to monetary means. The cost for your right to "complain" depends on where you are and how you do it.
ixidor89
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If your supplier is incompetent and it's obvious that they are incompetent, then you need to work around it. Otherwise, your customers will only trust you as much as you can trust your supplier.
There have been several occasions where items for event haven't arrived on time because these manufacturers are obviously unreliable. If the people with the power can't figure out how to make up for this, then they're just as bad as their manufacturers.
And the last time I checked, this has happened not only for free events like cities, but also for expensive events like prereleases. This problem should have vanished after the DF deck box fiasco.
"several occasions"? really? care to elaborate on this long list of fiascos?
other than the DF deckbox, what other prerelease had advertised material not supplied because of supplier problems? and other than the CC bag, what other event had problems systemwide, not just a shipping problem with individual venue(s)?
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ixidor89
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Not any multiple problems in one specific event, but there have been several. To think of a few off of the top of my head:
DF deck-boxes
POP 6 packs had delayed shipment
I think (Not quite sure) that a few SW prereleases in Canada didn't receive their packs on time and ended up playing with MT packs instead.
This.
And I'll guarantee you that every time they've had the same supplier.
Now, I'll reiterate what I said before because I think it's important. PUI has a right to complain about this kind of stuff, because it's not like they're trying to make the shipments late. But at the same time, they should be doing their best to make sure that these kinds of things don't happen. This means taking precautions. I would suggest ordering supples earlier and mailing them out earlier.
EmeraldHanyou
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Doesn't matter how many times it happened, the point is it did. For most consumers, product availability is like encapsulated functions to programmers; we don't care how it gets done, as long as it does. Now that damage was dealt, POP/PUI/whatever will suffer skepticism from it's audience regarding it's management capabilities.
Take a look at the way Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic TG are run, then come back and complain about how things are going. The decrease in prize support might be to accomodate for Battle Roads, it might be because their budget is Stagnant (sp?) right now. It might be because they don't think that there are people malcontent enough to complain about getting less free prizes in a game designed for you to have FUN with. Either way, s*** happened with the deckboxes, POP 6>POP 1 at least, and Canada? Seriously? Snow storms, slow deliveries, ect. It happens, niether POP nor PUI have the ability to see into the future, and sometimes things go wrong. Move on, seriously.
plebeianprint
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dr. mario: if the tone of your email to pop was remotely similar to the tone of your posts here, then i do not blame them for giving you a snotty reply.
for me personally, pop emails have always been very polite, thorough, and excellent.; but then, i'm humble with them, and i am polite.
for me personally, pop emails have always been very polite, thorough, and excellent.; but then, i'm humble with them, and i am polite.
i'm pretty sure the same 'supplier' isn't manufacturing both deckboxes and POP packs...
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ixidor89
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I meant that they haven't made any changes to who they hire to do these things... it doesn't necessarily have to mean just one supplier
and you know this, how?
just off the top of my head, i can think of a lot of 'links' in the supply chain, and every single one of them has the possibility of some kind of delay: deckbox manufacturer, card printer, shipping company which gets things from the manufacturer to the warehouse, shipping/fulfillment company which assembles the individual orders for each specific league or tourney and then ships, international customs inspection/regulations when shipping overseas or across national borders, acts of god such as weather or other delays...
so which of these is going to be perfect 100% of the time? the fact is that s..tuff happens. how many hundreds, if not thousands of individual events and leagues HAVE gotten their materials correctly and on time? as opposed to a small handful of problems, when compared to the 'big picture'?
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drmario
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That is the reply I got to the email I sent POP. So basically they have more tournaments and the same budget.
Pokemom- In answer to an earlier post, Compensation from whom, I have no idea.
In answer to the other ones: The point is if someone PUI contracted to do a job for them didn't do it correctly or on time it is their fault. That is how business works. If you hire a contractor to do some work on your home and they in turn hire someone else and the work is done incorrectly, the contractor is responsible not the person who was eventually hired to do the work. The contractor can make the person he hired fix it, however that is not the job of the homeowner, and they can hold the contractor responsible. Same thing with the bags and POP. Simply saying that they the manufacturer screwed up doesn't take them off the hook, granted however that they don't have to provide us with bags at all but it still is their fault for not having them.
ixidor89
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I don't think that we're striving for perfection here as much as we're striving not to see as many mess ups. I'm not sure who's messing up, but I'll tell you that timing is as important to a business as it's money. And somehow, most of them can get around it pretty well. After all, you don't pay the pizza guy when he's an hour late because his car broke down, now do you? But usually the pizza guy isn't late because usually his car doesn't brake down. If his car is breaking down a lot, then he gets the car fixed.
Cyrus
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So says the lay man :x. Even complaining isn't free, because it costs time. So if you feel that something is worth complaining about, then you've uhhh, lost at least a few seconds of you day
.So sorry to not clarify, but when I said thousands upon thousands, I didn't mean the individual player. Rather, I was referring to all players that would invest less into the game. Since Pokemon TCG makes, I'd say, most of its profits off of people purchasing individual booster packs, it makes a pretty big difference when those with the most resources stop investing as much into the brand. I define that money as every pack or box that a competitive player doesn't purchase that they "would" if the game were more competitive/had more prizes at the competitive level.
[Cute personal example to strengthen argument]
"I" love this game, and most people who know me...know that as well. However, with only four trips on the line this year, I have that much less motivation to buy cards to create a perfect deck. Heck, it may even be my location, but I haven't purchased any Secret Wonders! Now that's not to say that Santa Claus won't give the Super Kettlero Bros. a little something this Christmas, but from that example it's evident that the brand is losing money because those amazing trip incentives are gone. I doubt I'll seriously invest any of my money until Regionals.
Again, don't take the above example as me saying I'm ungrateful, or greedy. All I'm saying is that many people are spending less directly on the brand because there's less to _earn_. That may not drive them away, but it sure will hurt their involvement.
You're assuming that no changes have been made.
POP is not going to publicize any changes they have made or not made. They would just make them.
BINGO!!! Major companies don't publicize every decision that they make, quite simply because there no reason to. The only time they would probably publicly announce minor changes was if they were reassuring people, such as changing lamination when holo cards were pealing, or changing paper brands when cards were falling apart. Judging from the way they switched to sleeves, obviously they have made some changes. They reduced the number of free stuff they are giving us from OGMBBQAWESOME to SWEET, meaning we are still getting free stuff out of it, Seriously dude, let it go.
drmario
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Well the new sleeves suck pretty badly. Mine are peeling after one tournament. To get back on topic pokepop is right, they wouldn't have necessarily announced that they have a new supplier.
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