A change for the better.....
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HurricaneWarty
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To all of you who say something along the lines of "Well I only like it when I play rogue" or "Its only fun if I play against rogue," you make it sound like by posting the lists you will no longer have this ability. That is totally untrue. Because the decks will be out in the open, the metagame is going to be in even more flux and advancing even quicker, maybe even on a week to week basis rather than a season to season basis (season to season here meaning cities to states, states to regionals etc.). Everyone is going to have enough information on what the tier 1 decks are, that it's going to be even easier to build the next counter deck or next rogue deck. By posting the lists, it ENCOURAGES creativity, not discourages.
SlimeyGrimey
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I think it's ridiculous the way people get so angry over other people's deck choice. (IE I hate _____ because he/she always netdecks) I prefer to play against good decks, honestly.
i NEVER said u said that, but you did say that someone who knows someone who builds good decks is more deserving to win at an event than a player who doesnt know that much people......and thats why in my earlier post i said that THIS IS NOT JUST DIRECTED TOWARDS POKEPOP............
Again, I didn't say they were more deserving. I asked a question about it.
And you didn't say it's not directed at me. You said it's not "JUST directed at PokePop".
That means that you implied I said what you were defending against.
If you don't mean something, then don't say it.
But if you say something, don't be surprised if someone calls you on it.
And you didn't say it's not directed at me. You said it's not "JUST directed at PokePop".
That means that you implied I said what you were defending against.
If you don't mean something, then don't say it.
But if you say something, don't be surprised if someone calls you on it.
Just how harmful would it be if Eric C. had his Speed Spread (Absolutions) list posted after Regionals? Are people going to "tech" for him at Nationals? Of course not. Is Eric going to just start losing now that people know his list? I'd guess and say that people already can guess 90% of his deck, so what is knowing the other 10% going to be? And correct me here if I'm wrong, but unless they see his deck right before the tournament, how are they going to know exactly what that other 10% is? Eric can change his deck after each set of tournaments, you know? Like, make it better, add in different techs, etc, etc.
I don't believe one bit that any player would be put at a huge disadvantage if their list was leaked leading into Nationals/Worlds. When it comes to large tournaments like those, knowing what (1) person played a few months ago isn't worth squat. You don't even have assurance they will be playing that same deck at Nationals/Worlds.
Some players will keep offering reasons why deck leaks hurt them but I don't agree with any of their reasons. They just don't want to lose their advantage. Call it contention and bitterness about SDs and I'd call you a smart man, but it doesn't make my points wrong.
I don't believe one bit that any player would be put at a huge disadvantage if their list was leaked leading into Nationals/Worlds. When it comes to large tournaments like those, knowing what (1) person played a few months ago isn't worth squat. You don't even have assurance they will be playing that same deck at Nationals/Worlds.
Some players will keep offering reasons why deck leaks hurt them but I don't agree with any of their reasons. They just don't want to lose their advantage. Call it contention and bitterness about SDs and I'd call you a smart man, but it doesn't make my points wrong.
No... seriously, this is not hard. Post the decklists! Why on earth is there this much discussion? For those who seem to think netdecking will make you lose your competitiveness, look at M:TG (no one can honestly say they're not more competitive than in Pokémon TCG). They post decklists after every week. There are four MAJOR websites dissecting them week in, week out (with some proper statistics, in some cases).
They still have decent competitions, and shock horror - the world is still standing. Post the decklists!!
They still have decent competitions, and shock horror - the world is still standing. Post the decklists!!
SuperWooper
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Wasn't targetting anybody in particular, Prime. If this idea gets through Poke-Congress, I don't care much, because I'm bad at this game and you won't see my lists posted anywhere.
Honestly, though, if I had been at Nationals, I would not have teched specifically for Craig's Spread list, but for Spread in general. And Eric's list, having had so much success in the past, would be the perfect resource with which I could do so. I've seen Absol lists on the Pokegym that are pretty accurate, but only after Nationals, when it got so much attention: it won the whole tournament, for Pete's sake. Pre-Nats and post-Regionals, nobody was even close. There are some corners of the country (not literally, even though Florida is in the southeast corner of the USA) where decks that win big events can be hushed up and the surprise can be saved for later. Granted, the list will have leaked to the game's "elite," but the general public will still remain unaware of the card-for-card structure of the deck. Be assured that there were one or two people that Eric or Chris faced that were amazed by some tech card or hadn't prepared themselves for Speed Spread and didn't know how many Absol it played. This lack of preparation can only make the player with the secret deck stronger.
Ancient Pokemon Trainer
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I like the idea of posting decklists on the OP site of winning tournaments.
As for the posts I've seen of people knowing other people and having the SD before a tourny being more deserving to win than other people? IMO, yah, if a group of people come up with a good SD before a tournament they deserve to win that tournament for making a game-breaking deck. It's not fair if they go through all the hardwork and don't get to really enjoy it.
But after the tourny, winning deck go ahead and post. ;D
As for the posts I've seen of people knowing other people and having the SD before a tourny being more deserving to win than other people? IMO, yah, if a group of people come up with a good SD before a tournament they deserve to win that tournament for making a game-breaking deck. It's not fair if they go through all the hardwork and don't get to really enjoy it.
But after the tourny, winning deck go ahead and post. ;D
DarthPika
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I made a SD for my brother to use, and he made top 4 at the midatlantic regionals. No one was expecting to see Gardevoir ex, and if that wasn't enough of a suprize, he ran a 1-1 blastoise d line. No one was expecting to se Gardy ex played because of it's weekness, but when it didn't have a weekness, that card was SCARY!!
Hey SuperWooper, you should remember this deck, I played it against you at MD states. I hope to see you and slash at the fall btl rds. I still owe slash one for top decking a metagrose DX in top cut ftw.
Hey SuperWooper, you should remember this deck, I played it against you at MD states. I hope to see you and slash at the fall btl rds. I still owe slash one for top decking a metagrose DX in top cut ftw.
Articjedi
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Honestly old friend, I'd rather play against good players, but that's just me. =D
He hit it, listen to this guy, he knows what he's talking about.
How is Player A (who know someone who knows someone who knows someone who can build a good deck) more deserving to do well at an event than Player B who just doesn't happen to be friends with the right people?[/QUOTE]
Usually true but not always, Me and my little bro aren't on teams yet we finished 2nd in Masters and Top 8 in Juniors, Becuase we spent all season prefecting this list.
heres my opinion
PRO's
kids can see there creation upon view for the entire world to see how well they did.
SD's have less impact
Cons
Netdecking
Metagaming(I have people at my league who try to copy my decks, and also metagame me when they think they know what I'm playing.)
Neutral
Less impact and infasese on teams which I personally think teams are healthy, whats wrong with friends getting together and trying to do well at events.
These are only a few points on both sides of the aile
Usually true but not always, Me and my little bro aren't on teams yet we finished 2nd in Masters and Top 8 in Juniors, Becuase we spent all season prefecting this list.
heres my opinion
PRO's
kids can see there creation upon view for the entire world to see how well they did.
SD's have less impact
Cons
Netdecking
Metagaming(I have people at my league who try to copy my decks, and also metagame me when they think they know what I'm playing.)
Neutral
Less impact and infasese on teams which I personally think teams are healthy, whats wrong with friends getting together and trying to do well at events.
These are only a few points on both sides of the aile
PKM4
Compendium Publishing Assistant
I think publishing the top 4 decks per tournament is great but, only the name of the decks not the whole deck list. Players should always strive to create new and unique decks. In fact I just created a deck that I like to call Ghost. If I finish top 4 with this deck at a tourney then I will reveal the main pokemon but that's it.
ryanvergel
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That event never should have existed. It's a real shame some people can't keep their mouths shut.
Sandslash7
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How does only the name of the deck help?
Oh, lets see here:
1st: Meltdown
2nd: Abduction
3rd: Legacy
4th: Miracle
I can go on...
eh?
See what I mean?
How does that help anyone?
badganondorf
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Top decks should be publisshed after they have been played in a tournament. It gives equal chance to all people playing TCG to do well in tournaments. Not only to those who have seen the HUGE SD in action and therefore know already what it includes.
^You couldn't have said it better. I love to see Jimmy, the mister anti-netdecker starting this kind of topic. Because I can say that they really should publish the decks of all tournaments, it has been done in Norway and in Finland and I can say that it has had only positive effects to the playerbase and the players' quality has grown A LOT in a year.
^You couldn't have said it better. I love to see Jimmy, the mister anti-netdecker starting this kind of topic. Because I can say that they really should publish the decks of all tournaments, it has been done in Norway and in Finland and I can say that it has had only positive effects to the playerbase and the players' quality has grown A LOT in a year.
Sandslash7
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^Yeah, carrying on BANGINBOX's quote.
When Martin played Delta @ Worlds, many people knew what was in it and how to play it, and even the eventual champion Teched against it. After it came out, nobody was surprised, and the deck lost a lot of power.
When Martin played Delta @ Worlds, many people knew what was in it and how to play it, and even the eventual champion Teched against it. After it came out, nobody was surprised, and the deck lost a lot of power.
DragonairMaster8
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yup, i knew exactly how to play against it and was able to beat him
its not that sd's are bad after one use, but they usually wont become bdif even after going 14-0
its not that sd's are bad after one use, but they usually wont become bdif even after going 14-0
GinoLombardi21
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Yea thats why I think you wont see alot of Ape or Ambush for worlds. You gotta be dumb to play the same deck unless its unbeatable. Everyone who is anyone that is playing knows exactly what to do against those decks. But unless you can counter a counter your better off not choosing a deck everyone expects because your only gonna get teched against and lose.
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