Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

A New Player in Desperate Need of Help

I'm being thick because if you know so much about PP then you will already know that you cannot qualify this year. I get the impression that you want an effort free magic wand. Mine is broken right now, it might be fixed in a year, or more likely not.

special pleading because you are "new" isn't gong to get a positive response if you are so critical of others attempts to help. If the thread isn't about Play Points then you have failed to indicate what it is about. Has no one from Maine qualified?


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there are lots of threads on the gym where players are asking or demanding that there should be more events near them but when challenged about what they are prepared to do to make that happen only offer excuses as to why someone else should put in all the effort.

Four ten year olds playing is called an opportunity for growth.

This is the first year Pokemon has implemented PP. It was formed mainly as a buffer for random off the street Pokemon enthusiasts from entering a National Tournament. It's a very common occurring thing across all card games. However, as this is Pokemon's first year using this system there are obviously some flaws to it that need to be ironed out.

For example, most games (including Pokemon for the World Championship) have small entry tournaments before the main event as "Last Chance Qualifiers." These provide opportunities for able players, whether they be new or old just returning to the game, to show their worth to be on caliber to perform on the main stage. There is no such thing for Nationals yet.

The thread, as indicated in the first post, was a search to someone in the higher ups of Pokemon International to be brought the attention of a newer player who could not occur enough PP through traditional means for entry. The advice to send in a ticket to Pokemon International's Costumer Service was provided and I followed it, now I am waiting to hear back. Biggie was a big help in this.

However, just spamming "You don't have enough, you lose, you whiner," is not what I have come to expect from the Pokemon community in my short time being a part of it. Obviously that information has been given.

The idea of Player Points as a whole is to encourage players to become more involved in their local Pokemon communities, however, for newer more competitive players it really hurts them.

It isn't a matter of whether I'll be able to qualify for next year, that's a non-issue in my head, it's a matter of a blind sight in the current practices and policies of the Play Pokemon system.

Tournaments, Battle Roads, Leagues, all of it is designed to encourage players (consumers) to play and buy more product. I am saying, "Take my money." But the nature in which the setup is currently, they are hurting themselves by discouraging certain players.

That a better elaboration? A little clearer?
 
So tell me please, where should the cut-off be?

You state you've been playing two months. The PP requirement was set in place to ensure that all players had a minimal amount of participation in organized play events over the course of the year leading up to nationals...and it says nothing about players moving to Pokemon from other games, nor anything about how 'competitive' they might consider themselves to be.

Any time a 'gateway' is installed there are going to be those who are caught in it, and those who think that they should be the exception for whatever reasons...work, being a 'good' player, school, lack of local events, lack of time/money to go to 'big' events. Unfortunately it looks like it's your turn to be caught in the net.

Unfair? Perhaps....but if an exception is made for you then where does it stop? I'm a new player too and even though it's two weeks out from nats, I wanna play. What do you mean I can't, you let THAT guy in! And we're not even getting into the message this sends to the hundreds if not thousands of players who have been working towards their nationals entry points since the requirement was announced last year...

Sorry but imho a LCQ at nats would be a waste of staff resources and time. What's the point in requiring participation...participation, NOT 'winning' in OP to qualify to play in nats if it's easy to bypass that requirement?

Should OP waive the CP requirement for a new player's worlds invite since they're new and didn't have the opportunity to play in all the events where one could earn CP?

JMHO.
 
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Keep in mind BigZ that part of the reason they did this was PokeParents who came in to Nats got the t-shirt for their kid to sell then dropped the tournament. It caused a huge delay in Master's round one last year.

I for one welcome the idea, but that's also likely because I was here at season's start to get in on earning my Play Points.

As others have said you're likely sorry out of luck here. If someone from TPCi let's you in because you complained enough it's a slap in the face to the system they just made.

Your best option is to accept that by TPCi's standards you are not qualified to play this year. Even if you can't play the main event having a chance to experience a diverse meta game in leagues and side tournaments will be well worth it!
 
It wasn't just 'pokeparents' who did the reg-n-drop for the shirt thing...I saw plenty of posts on pokemon collecting communities spreading the word about how one could go to nats and get a free shirt just for signing up for the tourney. And the vast majority of members there are teens and young adults...
 
Further.

The worlds LCQ teeters every year on being its own last chance. Every other year it is bigger than the actual main event as it is an open event and many players in the USA travel relatively cheaply to the West coast. Each year the LCQ diverts resource away from the big show. It is an anachronism whose removal would hurt the Japanese and European communities and because of that alone I suspect it is here to stay. But I'd bet a pound to a penny that every year its future continuation is questioned. Every year its demise is just one good idea away.

FWIW I don't think that the PP system is flawed if some individuals don't meet the minimum requirement - that is its goal. I'd say it was flawed if no one from Maine met the 10 PP requirement. But I doubt that is the case.

A new player starting in March could qualify by including a couple of states events and not a lot more. A new player starting in April could qualify but it would be harder as they would be reliant upon League, release events, grass roots plus battle roads if they can't get to the regional . So the PP barrier is there and it is set at around 2-3 months of play most make it but some won't , I'm sorry that you are one of those that won't but not sorry that the requirement is there, nor sorry that it is set at a level that means players joining after April will have a hard time.
 
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I am a tournament organizer for my local tournament for Yu-gi-oh, I understand how these things go. But I am also an athlete and competitor. A National Tournament should be for those that have demonstrated that they are good enough to play at the next level, whether through winning tournaments or a good record through a season. However, this is not the way Pokemon does things. They'd rather focus on community involvement, which is actually a welcome change of pace for me. It's also a smarter business model.

However, that PP line seems to have been drawn up with the soul reasoning to keep out just people off the street, or to discourage Reg-N-Drop competitors, so why exclude a large number of people who don't fall into that demographic? I'm not asking for a free ride, I am asking why is there not a better way of demonstrating worth then by just showing up to a bulk "x" amount of events? Why is there not also an amount of Championship Points that would also let you enter?

Judging a players involvement or future involvement based on a 2 month track record is silly at best. The fact that I can go to a tournament in the North East and be recognized, that I now have friends in the community, these are the types of things that have locked me into Pokemon for the future, regardless of whether or not I will be allowed to play. If we judge who should and shouldn't be allowed to play by participation I guess the intangibles and a sense of human understanding should be taken into account is what I am saying.

Yu-gi-oh is a game where the good players prove their worth at regional tournaments (had to travel 5 hours to CT to get mine, on my first tournament mind you) to earn their invites to Nationals. In no such way does that give them a nod to get into Worlds, just an opportunity to get there. Thus if someone (a new player, an old experienced player) did not get their chance to earn entrance, they are provided one last chance with a LCQ.

That is Yu-gi-oh though, and this is Pokemon, where the community is based on involvement, not winning. So, if we're going to base entrance to the big stage on involvement purely, then is it fair to exclude some just because they haven't been given enough time to demonstrate that involvement up to the bar set? This is the polarizer. You guys argue, yes, it is a fair level, you have been given enough time. As someone who is actually going through it, I respectfully disagree...

@SDPokemom
A proposed cut off? How about a set amount of Player and Championship Points? Like 10 and 5, thus if a player demonstrates in just a few tournaments that they are in fact not only playing but also winning, they deserve their bid at the title? Or a recommendation from a local Battle Roads TO?

@Trican
If you guys are view this as a complaint thread, then I guess you misunderstood. I was inquiring as to alternative methods of being allowed to play. Only after people started posting did it become a conversation of whether PP is a fair method of judging a player's ability to play in Nationals.

@NoPoke
Off the top of my head, there are... 3-5 other Master Level competitors through the state, and I believe they all had qualified... Over a year. Had I lived in even NH and not Central Maine, I wouldn't even bring up this issue, but spending 15+ Dollars and 5 Hours of driving every day of the weekend to go to NH and Mass wouldn't have been possible for me to do over 2 months.
 
to be absolutely blunt, i'd guess the unstated thought in the back of the mind of those who have replied to you in this thread is: what makes you so much more special/deserving than the players who have met the requirement to play in nats? why should the rules apply to those thousands of players and not you?

as for the thread not being about PP: why would there be some special secret way of getting into nats that isn't stated for all to see on the website? the qualifications are there for all to see and have been there since this tournament season started, what could be more fair than that?

jmho.
 
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to be absolutely blunt, i'd guess the unstated thought in the back of the mind of those who have replied to you in this thread is: what makes you so much more special/deserving than the players who have met the requirement to play in nats? why should the rules apply to those thousands of players and not you?

as for the thread not being about PP: why would there be some special secret way of getting into nats that isn't stated for all to see on the website? the qualifications are there for all to see and have been there since this tournament season started, what could be more fair than that?

jmho.

I wasn't saying my problem was a specific one to me, or that I was more deserving then the next guy, but more a raising of a concern with the system as a whole.

And I wasn't asking for a secret way into nationals, but an exception. If Pokemon International review my case and declines, then they do so, I almost expect it. That being said, at the end of the day I'd like to play. And people who post, "It isn't going to happen," really aren't supportive to be frank. If the rolls were reversed, I'd go to bat for you in a heart beat, based on the fact that solely you are not a "one and done" tournament goer, and I have nothing at stake for you to be entered.

I like the Pokemon community as a whole and my favorite part of it is the inclusion part. Even as a new comer I was astounded at how friendly everyone and how fast I could pick up friends. The way things are set up currently seems an anti-thesis to that point.
 
BigZ, I get where you are coming from. Not being able to play at Nationals this year because you are just short of the required Play! Points certainly would be frustrating. I also very much agree that Pokemon's community is pretty good, and the extent the community and TPCi goes to include everyone is pretty significant.

HOWEVER, understand that there are probably quite a lot of people in a similar position to you. Maybe they aren't just missing 1 or 2 points, but rather are missing 5 or 6. Some people who would like to play in Nationals or usually do play in Nationals, might not have ANY points. And yes, it's too bad they can't play in the National Championships.

Now understand what would happen if they made you the exception to the rule. Now all of those people in your same position ought to also be entitled to an exception. And if they aren't given one, they will throw a fit (rightfully, mind you). People who "shouldn't" be at Nats (using the word carefully), will also feel entitled. At that point, it's better to just make Nats an open event once again (like it has been in years past), because the pain that an exception would cause would make thing a nightmare. Do you see why an exception being made would be bad for the majority, and only good for a very, very small amount of players?

Understand that there are thousands of people with enough points to go to Nats. Also understand that last year we got 900 or so Masters. And THEN understand that all 900+ of those Masters had to wait a very, VERY long time to get the tournament started last year due to the abuse of the free registration and free goodies that were given out. It was truly a terrible situation, having been one of thsoe players waiting to start. It really sucked, and the Play! Point requirement is truly a fantastic thing for the tournament's smooth execution this year.

So again, sorry you slipped through the cracks. But the PP system is there with very good reason, and will ultimately be beneficial to everyone. Sadly, it will leave out a select few people from playing this year. But that is innevitable with any point requirement give for any tournament. There would be no point for a point requirement if nobody at all was barred from playing, don't you think?

Also, on the subject of a Last Chance Qualifier: They take a lot of time, a lot of work, and a lot of resources. US Nationals is a free tournament run primarily by volunteer staff. It would essentially add an extra day to an already 3-day tournament that these volunteers have to staff. It really wouldn't be fair to our staff, especially since it would cater to such a small group of people.

So yeah, sorry you can't play Nationals this year (most likely). I hope you continue with the game and that we can see you next year!
 
HOWEVER, understand that there are probably quite a lot of people in a similar position to you. Maybe they aren't just missing 1 or 2 points, but rather are missing 5 or 6.
actually, he's not 'missing 1 or 2 points'; the OP states in the first post that he has a total of two PP and so is short by 8.
 
So tell me please, where should the cut-off be?

You state you've been playing two months. The PP requirement was set in place to ensure that all players had a minimal amount of participation in organized play events over the course of the year leading up to nationals...and it says nothing about players moving to Pokemon from other games, nor anything about how 'competitive' they might consider themselves to be.

Any time a 'gateway' is installed there are going to be those who are caught in it, and those who think that they should be the exception for whatever reasons...work, being a 'good' player, school, lack of local events, lack of time/money to go to 'big' events. Unfortunately it looks like it's your turn to be caught in the net.

Unfair? Perhaps....but if an exception is made for you then where does it stop? I'm a new player too and even though it's two weeks out from nats, I wanna play. What do you mean I can't, you let THAT guy in! And we're not even getting into the message this sends to the hundreds if not thousands of players who have been working towards their nationals entry points since the requirement was announced last year...

Sorry but imho a LCQ at nats would be a waste of staff resources and time. What's the point in requiring participation...participation, NOT 'winning' in OP to qualify to play in nats if it's easy to bypass that requirement?

Should OP waive the CP requirement for a new player's worlds invite since they're new and didn't have the opportunity to play in all the events where one could earn CP?

JMHO.

^Ahhh, a breath of fresh air! (that is, the blackletter font. :tongue:)

On the content itself, she's completely on the mark here - I don't wanna encourage echo chambering so we'll just leave it at that. To get that P! P total, you ought to drive out to a State or Regional next season: they're worth six points, and should be enough to get you close to where you need.
 
I don't really consider your thread a complaint. I look at it a lot like the kids I work with who feel they are owed the opportunity to do anything and everything "just cause." You see there is a requirement. You know you do not meet said requirement. You still want to get around said requirement. I do apologize if that's a bit harsh. You do seem like a nice enough person, and probably are full of good intentions. The problem I have is the rules are clearly set up, the expectations are clear and you admit you don't qualify under those rules. Even if you don't play in Nationals the ability to experience a diverse meta game you may not be accustomed to is reason enough to go and enjoy the side events. If you have the opportunity to go and do that you should and not feel like you missed out on the experience of going to Nationals.

Being the first year of having this system it is possible it is a flawed system and needs some tweaking, and sorry you're guinea pig'd in that group. I think it would be reasonable to add on that those making Top 4 in Regionals and States could have the Play Points requirement waived, as that I would consider to be an accomplishment. Not to diminish your 9th place finish in your first states, because well that's good. I think as a player community we should come up with a list of things that we did and did not like about the current tournament season and let TPCi know.

This year was a big change in the way organized play was run in my opinion. At season's end I think it is our responsibility to let TPCi know how we feel about said changes. Obviously your qualm would be the Play Point requirement and understandably so.
 
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