Sorry Matt, but skilled players will NEVER post their winning lists on here- most of them anyways.
I wont. For reasons already stated on this thread. Your really beating a dead horse IMHO.
Did I even mention skilled players posting their lists online in this entire thread? I've been discussing OP/PUI posting skilled players' lists.
how does it require interaction? do these kids not have any minds of there own?
how are they not capable of coming up with, accidentally or through hard work, a new powerful deck that helps shape the metagame?
It's very rare for a group of below skilled players with average potential to become good players from being around other lower skilled players. It's very rare, as it only happens once in a blue moon. It's common for someone to go undefeated at the league near them and then come in last at a premier tournament. That happens all the time because of the above. Not until they associate themselves with good players will they start to get better. And that is the truth, ask any player in this game that has won nats or worlds before.
seriously, ive come up with some amazing decks just from talking to little kids, like a few 8 year olds at my local league said that rampardos wasnt meant to have his own deck, cuz he makes himself die
he then went on to suggest lucario with him
i built it, it worked
Because Rampardos/Lucario is a very hard idea to come up with. /sarcasm. It's like saying Machamp and Lucario. You aren't a genius if you pair them together. Nothing against the kid, but he might have had the idea, but could he have come up with a good list, and then played it well enough at a tournament to do well? And I don't mean to discredit the 10- age group, but it's easier for random ideas to do well in the 10- than in Masters.
as for the best list, who says its the best?
bobby has swept 5 battle roads, does that mean his list is the best?
maybe the best list belongs to some kid in montana who has so few tournoments around him that he gets like no attention
I don't understand the points you make. You stress how posting the "good" list online would hurt players because it lowers their chances of doing well. Then you mention that someone doing very well might not be running the "good" list. Doesn't that take a lot of emphasis off of the "good" list, and actually prove my shades of gray idea?
I know many people that use lists to test in the beginning and truly understand the deck. People can use lists to play against and make sure their decks are better before going to a tournament. People can use lists to see how good decks are made and copy their style in the future to make their future decks better. People can use lists for many reasons.and giving away another players decklist? how would that help anything?
Because you play the same exact list at every tournament. If you do, then you deserve to lose. :/if you have my list, that gives me an auto disadvantage
Now, I don't see a reason to post a list for battle roads or cities, but states-on would be nice. Don't play the fair card, it doesn't work. You talk with your team about ideas and exchange lists, don't you? How is it fair to say that one can only do well if they know the "right" people?how is that fair? just because i won an event now my deck is up for grabs?
And after you've won several tournaments, people are going to know what your running anyways. So why is posting one of your lists so bad? Again I stress, do you not update your deck after a lot of games?if i won a tournoment with a deck, or even several tournoments, its because i worked on a deck and played well with it (that or i donked the living **** out of alot of people [grinder 07 anyone?])
They don't have a "right" to your list. I never said they did, but if people get to see your lists, you get to see others too, so everyone gets equal treatment. It's fair to everyone.what right does another player have to my hard made list? why cant they damn well make their own?
But if no elite players help, then what do you do?make a deck, it fails, you pay attention to your games, you find out why, and you edit it
if you want, you can also ask an elite player for their advice
If it's so easily to "get" people again after they have seen your list, why be so against it? Seriously, you counter your own arguments. I don't even have to try.just base your list off of what is online, and all i ahve to do is change decks or add in a few techs and BAM, i gotcha again