Bluffing: Good of Bad?
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toxictaipan
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Could someone please explain how that could be dubious actions? I'm not saying it isn't, I just don't know how it is.... I can run any card in my deck that I want, as long as I don't like, lie straight through my teeth I don't see what's wrong.
And Mew, you of all people know that I have an accent. And I didn't mean he ruinED the possibilities for that to work, I just mean anyone who knows that he is Pinsir52 on the Gym and has read this will know he just might not be running a Dusknoir, and they might just call his bluff.
And Mew, you of all people know that I have an accent. And I didn't mean he ruinED the possibilities for that to work, I just mean anyone who knows that he is Pinsir52 on the Gym and has read this will know he just might not be running a Dusknoir, and they might just call his bluff.
We did not say that putting the card in the deck is a "dubious action". What we are saying is that it would be very easy to slip and say something along the lines of "I wonder if my Dusknoir is in my prizes" and that THAT would put you on the wrong side of the line.
I don't know why it's being taken as threatening talk.
It was actually a very friendly "heads up" to be careful when you are walking on the line of what legal and what's not.
Like I said, as described, this is on the right side of legal.
One wrong word, though, and you're on the wrong side.
You have to decide if it's worth it for the risk of mis-speaking that one word.
I'd say that those of you having trouble comprehending where the line is and why one word makes such a big difference, you should stay FAR away from this tactic since you apparantly can't see where the line is and will probably fall onto the wrong side without realizing it.
I don't know why it's being taken as threatening talk.
It was actually a very friendly "heads up" to be careful when you are walking on the line of what legal and what's not.
Like I said, as described, this is on the right side of legal.
One wrong word, though, and you're on the wrong side.
You have to decide if it's worth it for the risk of mis-speaking that one word.
I'd say that those of you having trouble comprehending where the line is and why one word makes such a big difference, you should stay FAR away from this tactic since you apparantly can't see where the line is and will probably fall onto the wrong side without realizing it.
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The part of his post that seems to be giving YOU problems, oh wise and mighty PokePop, would be.
Is the single spot worth a possible DQ?
Perhaps you would care to explain it then.
Sure. It requires something difficult.
You need to take the entire statement, along with my statement, into account allllll at once.
See his statement was playing off of mine and was not meant to have one phrase taken all on its own.
When taken all together, it means what I said. That having the one card is fine in and of itself, but it would be very easy, as a player was trying to get the opponent to infer the Dusknoir, that they run the risk of actively implying the Dusknoir. And that one card, with a slip of the lip, could lead to bad results.
Rew
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What would really stink is if your opponent asked if your Dusknoir is prized.
no matter what you answer, you end up coming to the conclusion of you have your Dusknoir prized.
"Sorry, I don't discuss my deck or state of my deck with my opponents at all. But I still love you:biggrin:"
^works
At Nats someone had a Dusknoir outside of the deck with some other cards. Obviously meant to look like a translation. His bluff worked, as I NEVER (not even when up 5-1 on prizes) put down a fourth Pokemon. After beating him he was like "A lot of good that did, eh?". We lolled.
Magic_Umbreon
Researching Tower Scientist, Retired
That's a "have you stopped beating your wife" question. It is their own fault for making that assumption. Personally, I'd give a simple answer of "no". Although whether that is the right response I don't know. I mean it wouldn't be me who brought in the concept of a Dusknoir in my deck, if they assumed it first, it's already happened before your comment and you were not verbally influential.
If that had been brought to the attention of the judges, that player would have gotten a game loss, at least.
A player WAS given a Game Loss at Worlds for exactly this.
Beware. Judges will be on the look out for this kind of thing this year. It should not be tolerated at local events because it will not be tolerated at high level events.
As noted, any discussion that your opponent initiates about the Duskull and the assumed Dusknoir is fraught with very high risk for the person using this gambit. Making any kind of representation about a Dusknoir is very dangerous.
toxictaipan
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It gets down to what exactly was said and implied vs what was left for the opponent to infer.
I don't want to spell out exactly where the line is because, to be honest, you're going to find judges interpreting that line differently and saying "but PokePop said it was OK" is not going to prevent you from getting that Game Loss or DQ.
The most I'll say is that actions like this get up to the line and may cross over it, depending on exactly what was said and done.
All that I'll say is that players trying to walk the line are in danger of getting burned.
actually the player at worlds was DQ'd.
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DreamChaser AJ
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So, let's say the player never mentioned anything of the card, just had it lying there. Still Game Loss?
Now, say it's a SF Lumineon (players could try to empty azelf/uxies from hand) Still a game loss?
Now let's say it's a Bidoof, still a game loss?
I'm not trying to encourage this behavior, personally I believe that only reference cards and dice/poison burn markers should be on the playing field. I do know some players that like to carry a "lucky plush" or "lucky card" with them. Is Dusknoir DP not allowed to be a lucky card or should all "lucky cards" be removed from the playing area from small to high events?
You can't just ask a player "Do you play dusknoir DP?" and expect an answer just like you can't ask "Do you play 2 warp points?" and expect an answer.
You CAN ask "is that a reference card?", because I think that is required to be answered with a yes or a no.
falcom4ever
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I made a better bluff last year with my gg. I was playing some japanese cards, and taked english cards for translations.
I kept Dusknoir for the translations and it worked with people that knew it ^^.
I kept Dusknoir for the translations and it worked with people that knew it ^^.
Rew
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Some guy did that against Kettler at Nats and the funny thing was... he was playing straight Blissy... What's there to Dusknoir with that?
OR!!!
is it bad to actually have a translation of a Dusknoir if you actually have a japanese Dusknoir in your deck but only run a 0-0-1 line?
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Ardoptres
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You just admitted to an action that would get you a DQ.