Boring can be Better
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Xuii2-the-cleric
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just like u ive been playing the same deck for a long time too
NoPoke
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Boring: Finding a winning strategy and sticking with it (while it remains a winning strategy!).
There is nothing that is a more certain sign of insanity than to repeat the same thing over and over again and expect the results to be different. (Einstein)
Ok the context for the latter is repeating failing actions but you can see how it applies to boring too. If it aint broke...but alway slook out for something just as "boring" but better.
There is nothing that is a more certain sign of insanity than to repeat the same thing over and over again and expect the results to be different. (Einstein)
Ok the context for the latter is repeating failing actions but you can see how it applies to boring too. If it aint broke...but alway slook out for something just as "boring" but better.
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hueglin- Problem with that is that, the majority of the times that there are options for consistency, one option is still the best of all. Few decks could run the most efficient without the Holon Engine back in the day, but there was still other options. Could run just straight Celio/Steve/CCat/Mary's Request, could run with Pidgeot (often decks ran with Pidgeot and Holon), could run with Porygon 2, etc. Holon Engine was just SUPERIOR to other consistency options that were provided. Unlike attackers, where they beat other and it's a toss up who goes into what deck, it's pretty easy to tell which draw engines are superior.
SLOW DECK
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Actually, Holon Engine wasn't always Superior at the time. Ballard's Destiny wide play list had the Holon Engine in there, my limited play Raquazza list had generally the same pokemon (Ray's, Lati's, Lick's) in the list, had a Castaway engine with Lanette, Mary, CC, Scott that worked like today's Cyrus Engine.
Currently we have 4 main engines:
Standard Claydol Engine - 2-2 Claydol, 1+ Uxie, 4/4 Roseanne/Bebe
Speed(BTS) Claydol Engine - 2-2+ Claydol, 1 Uxie, 4 / 4 Rose/Bebe, SSU and BTS.
Cyrus SP Engine - 4 Cyrus, SP trainers, Uxies, Maybe Claydol, 3-4 Roseannes
Uxie Speed Engine - 3-4 Uxie, High Ball, Dex, Drawer Count.
I think that captures them all.
Currently we have 4 main engines:
Standard Claydol Engine - 2-2 Claydol, 1+ Uxie, 4/4 Roseanne/Bebe
Speed(BTS) Claydol Engine - 2-2+ Claydol, 1 Uxie, 4 / 4 Rose/Bebe, SSU and BTS.
Cyrus SP Engine - 4 Cyrus, SP trainers, Uxies, Maybe Claydol, 3-4 Roseannes
Uxie Speed Engine - 3-4 Uxie, High Ball, Dex, Drawer Count.
I think that captures them all.
ninetales1234
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You only put in 10 Holos?? You got to put the strong cards in first. Don't put in weak cards! Look at Articuno! He's sooooooooooo rare. It's the strongest!:lol:
BigChuck's story is a common one. I think I might just print this out and put it up on my league's wall. Heaven knows, some of my players need it.
If I had a nickel for each time a player at my league obsessed over "strong" (rare) cards at the expense of acquiring cards that might be of more use to them, I'd have a lot of nickels.
BigChuck's story is a common one. I think I might just print this out and put it up on my league's wall. Heaven knows, some of my players need it.
If I had a nickel for each time a player at my league obsessed over "strong" (rare) cards at the expense of acquiring cards that might be of more use to them, I'd have a lot of nickels.
Politoed666
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but but but... charzard x does 200 damage...
Aw, you're right. I know people who have been telling kids this forever, but it sometimes doesn't get through. However, if you're on the 'Gym, chances are you're here to get better at the game, and this is a fantastic article that says how to do it.
Well said.
And I thought I was the only one hyping Porygon2.
Aw, you're right. I know people who have been telling kids this forever, but it sometimes doesn't get through. However, if you're on the 'Gym, chances are you're here to get better at the game, and this is a fantastic article that says how to do it.
Well said.
And I thought I was the only one hyping Porygon2.
gashmoigidy
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Yeah this has a billion siggable lines. Very funny and also makes a good point
tehmoe
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this article reminds me of the first time i walked into the WotC store in orland mall... i walked in with all these fancy cards like charizard machamp(1st ed of course) venasaur gengar chansey vaporeon... too bad i didnt play any basics to evolve into my cool shiny guys in my deck... or energy for that matter... or trainers... all i had was shiny pokemanz and i thought i was cool. then i had my buddy (to this day and was the reason i got back into pokemon after dropping out the scene for 7 years...) Mr. Lucas deck check my deck and was like wow... lets fix this to make it consistent. it was lame b/c i literally lost 80 % of my deck only keeping a 4-3-1 charizard line and a 3-2-2 machamp line and tons of trainers and energy... eventually i played my most favorite deck, to this day its still my fave, magcargo/entei...
anyway. this article is A1 i give it a 10/10. and your right it is about consistency. i'd say 60 every turn over 100 every couple turns is the way to play.
anyway. this article is A1 i give it a 10/10. and your right it is about consistency. i'd say 60 every turn over 100 every couple turns is the way to play.
Magnechu and SLOW DECK,
You both raise very good points. Maybe Claydol isn't all that its hyped to be and there are alternatives. I can see that its harder to provide a variety of good draw cards - but I do think the game would benefit from having more choices in this area. As it stands right now, people just getting into the game and starting in competitive play are told they must have Claydol - and that comes with a fairly steep price tag.
Some might say that that is the price of competitive play. But it seems to me that POP's goal is to have OP open to as many people as possible. Having a situation where players are virtually required to have a fairly expensive and difficult to obtain card, in order to be competitive, appears to run counter to their goal.
You both raise very good points. Maybe Claydol isn't all that its hyped to be and there are alternatives. I can see that its harder to provide a variety of good draw cards - but I do think the game would benefit from having more choices in this area. As it stands right now, people just getting into the game and starting in competitive play are told they must have Claydol - and that comes with a fairly steep price tag.
Some might say that that is the price of competitive play. But it seems to me that POP's goal is to have OP open to as many people as possible. Having a situation where players are virtually required to have a fairly expensive and difficult to obtain card, in order to be competitive, appears to run counter to their goal.
prodigal_fanboy
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Considering I could purchase two Claydol for the price of two tins, and that they're not terribly hard to trade for with some good pack pulls, it's really not that big of an issue. Most people just don't know how to trade for a gain in card equity until they have the resources to pick up a pair of Claydols. If you're just getting into the game, it's much better to hear about needing Claydol now than if you got onto the 'Gym after you spent a year buying random product -- at least now you know to skip this, skip that, most theme decks are a waste, etc.
Prize_Card
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This thread is a complete CONTRADICTION. You Can not tell me that ALMOST EVERY LV. X (FLASHY CARD) has been bad and not good, claydol and uxie is the best. Ya claydol and uxie might be the best cards ever, but THE FLASHY LV. X Cards Give Uxie and claydol A USE.. Let me name a FEW.
DP
Empoleon lv. x Was amazing nats and worlds 2008 with EmpoZong and other varients
Torterra lv. x WAS UNEXPECTED and GOOD with crystal beach 2008 season
Infernape lv.x Was AMAZING for 2008 States-regionals.
MT
Lucario Lv. x Was Amazing when Mario was being played
Electivire lv x Wasnt as popular, but still won Br's and states with varius builds.
Magmortar lv. x Was played A LOT with lefeon lv. x and togekiss at nats 2008 and other COMPETITIVE tournaments
SW
Gardevior lv. x MAN THIS FLASHY CARD WAS SURE INCONSISTENT AND PEOPLE BRAGGED( MAN I GOT THIS AWESOME FLASHY CARD IM GONNA BUILD A DECK WITH IT!!!ROFLSAUCEWEEWERWERWER)
Honchkrow Lv x Didnt see a lot of play but was popular at one point.
GE
Cresselia Lv. x Man this card was FLASHY! But played in WINNING Plox Varients, and Still used today in some GENGAR DECKS
Darkria Lv. X OHhhhh shinny and evil, IM GONNA BUILD A DECK WITH IT! Weaville blissy wasnt good, consistent, T-tar wasnt good either =(
Dialga This is probably the only UNUSABLE FLASHY CARD haha.
Palkia Lv x. Magnezone palkia Was Really GOOD, and Palkia is REALLY GOOD in flygon (rr)..
MD
Glaceon Lv. x Nats 2008 and Worlds 2008 Was underated but used against Plox.
Lefeon Lv. x Sceptile Lefeon was played A LOT, so was Magmortor lefeon.
Porygon z lv x Card that didnt see a lot of play, but Still could have been made into a consistent deck
Garchomp lv. x Went undefeated swiss nats 2008 with Togekiss.
LA
Azelf lv x Amu Was bad and only flashy
Mesprit lv x Amu was bad and only flashy
Uxie lv x (Not even going to say anything)
Gliscor Lv. x Was GOOD during states and regionals with Mr.mime/Venomoth.
Magnezone lv. x remember blissy magnezone? Yeti? that one that did good? the flashy one?
Rhyperior Sorry make that 2 unplayble cards. lol.
SF
Dusknoir Lv. x Won MANY br And states with bronzong before gengar was big.
Heatran Lv. x everyone hypes this card but I think its BAD IMO, but was played with magmortor, and infernape.
Machamp Lv.x FLASHY CARD WITH 6 ARMS OMGWEEEEEEEEEE. G champ was never good.
Raichu Lv. x OMG THIS CARD CAN ONLY KNOCK OUT 2 OF YOUR CLAYDOLS AT ONCE!
Regigigas lv. x Mesprit lock was amazing at brs.
PL
(This set did have some pretty useless flashy cards, not gonna lie.)
Dialga g lv. x hmmm.. this card isn't played a lot
Drapion lv. x Joke card. (but still trade bait)
Giratina lv. x Joke card. (but still trade bait)
Palkia G lv. x Legos is bad.
Shaymin lv. x JOKE CARD (still trade bait)
RR
Alakazam 4 lv x Doesn't see a lot of play, but who knows, it could be in the winning worlds deck
Floatzel GL lv x Lol
Flygon Lv. x WEEEE A FLASHY CARD THAT DISCARDS THE TOP CARD OF YOUR OPPONENTS DECK AND ONLY DOES 150 TO SP DECKS.
Gallade 4 lv. x Didnt see a lot of play but still a GOOD CARD.
Hippodon Lv. x Regirock stark varients did ok, but not a great card.
Infernape 4 lv x LuxApe is to flashy and bad
Luxray gl lv.x LuxApe is to flashy and Bad
Mismagius gl lv x Joke (still trade bait)
Snorlax lv x Joke (still trade bait)
MY POINT IS, that MORE THAN HALF of these FLASHY LV. X cards Were playable, competitive, and Consistent at one point in time. MISTER BIG CHUCK whoever you are, Your Argument is FALSE. Claydol uxie (the boring cards) make decks consistent, what your saying is FLASHY CARDS ARE OVER HYPED MAN PLAY A 4-4 CLAYDOL AND A 4 UXIE DECK OWN OWN OWN OWN OWN OWN OWN OWN. Think about your argument before you make a thread about it.
DP
Empoleon lv. x Was amazing nats and worlds 2008 with EmpoZong and other varients
Torterra lv. x WAS UNEXPECTED and GOOD with crystal beach 2008 season
Infernape lv.x Was AMAZING for 2008 States-regionals.
MT
Lucario Lv. x Was Amazing when Mario was being played
Electivire lv x Wasnt as popular, but still won Br's and states with varius builds.
Magmortar lv. x Was played A LOT with lefeon lv. x and togekiss at nats 2008 and other COMPETITIVE tournaments
SW
Gardevior lv. x MAN THIS FLASHY CARD WAS SURE INCONSISTENT AND PEOPLE BRAGGED( MAN I GOT THIS AWESOME FLASHY CARD IM GONNA BUILD A DECK WITH IT!!!ROFLSAUCEWEEWERWERWER)
Honchkrow Lv x Didnt see a lot of play but was popular at one point.
GE
Cresselia Lv. x Man this card was FLASHY! But played in WINNING Plox Varients, and Still used today in some GENGAR DECKS
Darkria Lv. X OHhhhh shinny and evil, IM GONNA BUILD A DECK WITH IT! Weaville blissy wasnt good, consistent, T-tar wasnt good either =(
Dialga This is probably the only UNUSABLE FLASHY CARD haha.
Palkia Lv x. Magnezone palkia Was Really GOOD, and Palkia is REALLY GOOD in flygon (rr)..
MD
Glaceon Lv. x Nats 2008 and Worlds 2008 Was underated but used against Plox.
Lefeon Lv. x Sceptile Lefeon was played A LOT, so was Magmortor lefeon.
Porygon z lv x Card that didnt see a lot of play, but Still could have been made into a consistent deck
Garchomp lv. x Went undefeated swiss nats 2008 with Togekiss.
LA
Azelf lv x Amu Was bad and only flashy
Mesprit lv x Amu was bad and only flashy
Uxie lv x (Not even going to say anything)
Gliscor Lv. x Was GOOD during states and regionals with Mr.mime/Venomoth.
Magnezone lv. x remember blissy magnezone? Yeti? that one that did good? the flashy one?
Rhyperior Sorry make that 2 unplayble cards. lol.
SF
Dusknoir Lv. x Won MANY br And states with bronzong before gengar was big.
Heatran Lv. x everyone hypes this card but I think its BAD IMO, but was played with magmortor, and infernape.
Machamp Lv.x FLASHY CARD WITH 6 ARMS OMGWEEEEEEEEEE. G champ was never good.
Raichu Lv. x OMG THIS CARD CAN ONLY KNOCK OUT 2 OF YOUR CLAYDOLS AT ONCE!
Regigigas lv. x Mesprit lock was amazing at brs.
PL
(This set did have some pretty useless flashy cards, not gonna lie.)
Dialga g lv. x hmmm.. this card isn't played a lot
Drapion lv. x Joke card. (but still trade bait)
Giratina lv. x Joke card. (but still trade bait)
Palkia G lv. x Legos is bad.
Shaymin lv. x JOKE CARD (still trade bait)
RR
Alakazam 4 lv x Doesn't see a lot of play, but who knows, it could be in the winning worlds deck
Floatzel GL lv x Lol
Flygon Lv. x WEEEE A FLASHY CARD THAT DISCARDS THE TOP CARD OF YOUR OPPONENTS DECK AND ONLY DOES 150 TO SP DECKS.
Gallade 4 lv. x Didnt see a lot of play but still a GOOD CARD.
Hippodon Lv. x Regirock stark varients did ok, but not a great card.
Infernape 4 lv x LuxApe is to flashy and bad
Luxray gl lv.x LuxApe is to flashy and Bad
Mismagius gl lv x Joke (still trade bait)
Snorlax lv x Joke (still trade bait)
MY POINT IS, that MORE THAN HALF of these FLASHY LV. X cards Were playable, competitive, and Consistent at one point in time. MISTER BIG CHUCK whoever you are, Your Argument is FALSE. Claydol uxie (the boring cards) make decks consistent, what your saying is FLASHY CARDS ARE OVER HYPED MAN PLAY A 4-4 CLAYDOL AND A 4 UXIE DECK OWN OWN OWN OWN OWN OWN OWN OWN. Think about your argument before you make a thread about it.
BigChuck01
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DP
Empoleon lv. x Was not used in any of the good Empo's last year, including mine which X-0ed the grinder and X-0ed swiss
Torterra lv. x was average. One Tort deck did well at one tournament, and then it vanished off the face of the earth
Infernape lv.x was bad, and almost shouldnt have been played in Ape decks. 8 Fire in the discard is hard to do once, and impossible twice.
MT
Lucario Lv. x was never good, and Mario was never a good deck
Electivire lv x has never been good
Magmortar lv. x Was a good card. I'll allow this one.
Gardevior lv. x was good when DRE was around. Now it isnt even used in GGW
Honchkrow Lv x has always been bad
GE
Cresselia Lv. x is the most overrated card in the game in my opinion. Decent before Crobat, and useless post Crobat (Crobat does the same thing but faster and much easier)
Darkria Lv. X was always bad
Dialga Lv X is horrible
Palkia Lv x. was very good in the decks it worked in. With Luxray around though, this card is dead
Glaceon Lv. x Ugh, the card that knocked me out of Worlds
. Decent, but not great. Poke-Body is amazing, attack is too expensive.
Lefeon Lv. x Another one of the good level Xs
Porygon z lv x is horrible
Garchomp lv. x Went undefeated swiss nats 2008 with Togekiss? I call BS, and if it did it was jrs/seniors
LA
Azelf lv x Worst of the 3 farie lv x's
Mesprit lv x Very good at the begining of the season, but better cards were released
Uxie lv x the 2nd most overrated card in Pokemon. I've played Uxie in every deck since it was releases, and never once consiered adding an Uxie lv x. Its hard to get out, the Pokepower is bad, and the attack is mediocre
Gliscor Lv. x never contended in anything, once
Magnezone lv. x never contended in anything, once
Rhyperior lv x GOOD GOD
SF
Dusknoir Lv. x was great at the begining of the season, but lost a ton of steam due to SP
Heatran Lv. x horrible. slow and impossible to get out
Machamp Lv.x not bad. 100 for 1 is good. I like this card.
Raichu Lv. x overhyped and ended up bad like I knew it would
Regigigas lv. x Good before SP
PL
(This set did have some pretty useless flashy cards, not gonna lie.)
Dialga g lv. x insanely good, changed the game
Drapion lv. x bad
Giratina lv. x bad
Palkia G lv. x Better than Dialga, will see a ton of play at worlds
Shaymin lv. x Bad
RR
Alakazam 4 lv x Bad
Floatzel GL lv x Bad
Flygon Lv. x overrated. Good players wont walk into the 150, and discard the top card is just a gimmick
Gallade 4 lv. x Mediocre
Hippodon Lv. x horrible
Infernape 4 lv x mediocre, but like the only thing that counters Dialga
Luxray gl lv.x Possibly the best card in the game. Way too good actually IMO
Mismagius gl lv x Bad
Snorlax lv x Joke bad
So as you see, the majority of them are bad, but some are game changing like Luxray and Palkia. This thread is called "Boring can be Better", not "Boring is Better". Obviously SOME Lv. Xs are incredible, but most suck.
Empoleon lv. x Was not used in any of the good Empo's last year, including mine which X-0ed the grinder and X-0ed swiss
Torterra lv. x was average. One Tort deck did well at one tournament, and then it vanished off the face of the earth
Infernape lv.x was bad, and almost shouldnt have been played in Ape decks. 8 Fire in the discard is hard to do once, and impossible twice.
MT
Lucario Lv. x was never good, and Mario was never a good deck
Electivire lv x has never been good
Magmortar lv. x Was a good card. I'll allow this one.
Gardevior lv. x was good when DRE was around. Now it isnt even used in GGW
Honchkrow Lv x has always been bad
GE
Cresselia Lv. x is the most overrated card in the game in my opinion. Decent before Crobat, and useless post Crobat (Crobat does the same thing but faster and much easier)
Darkria Lv. X was always bad
Dialga Lv X is horrible
Palkia Lv x. was very good in the decks it worked in. With Luxray around though, this card is dead
Glaceon Lv. x Ugh, the card that knocked me out of Worlds
. Decent, but not great. Poke-Body is amazing, attack is too expensive.Lefeon Lv. x Another one of the good level Xs
Porygon z lv x is horrible
Garchomp lv. x Went undefeated swiss nats 2008 with Togekiss? I call BS, and if it did it was jrs/seniors
LA
Azelf lv x Worst of the 3 farie lv x's
Mesprit lv x Very good at the begining of the season, but better cards were released
Uxie lv x the 2nd most overrated card in Pokemon. I've played Uxie in every deck since it was releases, and never once consiered adding an Uxie lv x. Its hard to get out, the Pokepower is bad, and the attack is mediocre
Gliscor Lv. x never contended in anything, once
Magnezone lv. x never contended in anything, once
Rhyperior lv x GOOD GOD
SF
Dusknoir Lv. x was great at the begining of the season, but lost a ton of steam due to SP
Heatran Lv. x horrible. slow and impossible to get out
Machamp Lv.x not bad. 100 for 1 is good. I like this card.
Raichu Lv. x overhyped and ended up bad like I knew it would
Regigigas lv. x Good before SP
PL
(This set did have some pretty useless flashy cards, not gonna lie.)
Dialga g lv. x insanely good, changed the game
Drapion lv. x bad
Giratina lv. x bad
Palkia G lv. x Better than Dialga, will see a ton of play at worlds
Shaymin lv. x Bad
RR
Alakazam 4 lv x Bad
Floatzel GL lv x Bad
Flygon Lv. x overrated. Good players wont walk into the 150, and discard the top card is just a gimmick
Gallade 4 lv. x Mediocre
Hippodon Lv. x horrible
Infernape 4 lv x mediocre, but like the only thing that counters Dialga
Luxray gl lv.x Possibly the best card in the game. Way too good actually IMO
Mismagius gl lv x Bad
Snorlax lv x Joke bad
So as you see, the majority of them are bad, but some are game changing like Luxray and Palkia. This thread is called "Boring can be Better", not "Boring is Better". Obviously SOME Lv. Xs are incredible, but most suck.
DarthPika
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I agree... Luxray is a little too good. Probably the best card in the game, as well as quite an exciting one. Who ever said that flashy cards had to be bad? lol
I wish we would see just a few more good Lv.x's to balance things out a little more.
Prize Card, I do hope the thing about Legos being bad was a bad joke. If not, then you obviously have no clue what you're talking about... :/
Look, I dislike Luxape and think it's cheep and such, but I respect that it's a good deck. It's silly to say somethings bad because you don't like it.
I wish we would see just a few more good Lv.x's to balance things out a little more.
Prize Card, I do hope the thing about Legos being bad was a bad joke. If not, then you obviously have no clue what you're talking about... :/
Look, I dislike Luxape and think it's cheep and such, but I respect that it's a good deck. It's silly to say somethings bad because you don't like it.
Scipio
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HAH. Coming from anyone at the gym, this is a HUGE laugh.
Torterra lv. x was average. One Tort deck did well at one tournament, and then it vanished off the face of the earth Torterra did well for a little while and then vanished quickly. Had his time in the limelight
Infernape lv.x was bad, and almost shouldnt have been played in Ape decks. 8 Fire in the discard is hard to do once, and impossible twice. It still was around in Inferncatty decks, so he too had his time
Gardevior lv. x was good when DRE was around. Now it isnt even used in GGW Doesnt mean it was always bad though, it's been gamechanging
Honchkrow Lv x has always been bad Darkwing Duck would like a word with you
Cresselia Lv. x is the most overrated card in the game in my opinion. Decent before Crobat, and useless post Crobat (Crobat does the same thing but faster and much easier) Crobat can heal AND damage every single turn? That's news to me.
Porygon z lv x is horrible Not at all, those powers are gamebreaking. If only people recognized how evil Porygon-Z Promo can be...
Garchomp lv. x Went undefeated swiss nats 2008 with Togekiss? I call BS, and if it did it was jrs/seniors Garchomp has always been an interesting rogue, and why would it be BS? Magnezone lv. x never contended in anything, once 2nd place at Nationals here? Having rather okay showings at Cities? Uh-uh, never contended...
My 2 pennies.
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vanderbilt_grad
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Hmm.
Last season was “boring” because it was dominated by two decks that both featured a level X … G&G and Magmortar. Together these decks crushed everything for much of the year.
This season saw more balance but the top cutting decks using level Xs have outnumbered the ones that don’t IMHO.
In any event I think that using a level X doesn’t negate the theme that “Boring is better.” Some of those Xs are pretty boring. Dialga G was GREAT but boring as all get out to play. You could win games just doing his first attack ALL GAME LONG. To me Gigas was a bit boring for the same reasons. 2 Attacks and 1 power were really all you needed. The biggest judgment call came in where to do 20 bench damage once every 4 turns on average. Yeah, the Gigas decks with Palkia required more thought but even then weren’t THAT complicated.
To me “not boring” = “complicated” and that usually indicates that a deck requires some kind of combo or complex strat to work. Examples of this would be AMU (need all three level Xs out), TogeChomp, Torterra/Sceptile, Magnezone (a la Yeti & Robot), and such. The presence or absence of an X doesn’t really dictate how boring or “interesting” to play a deck might be.
Last season was “boring” because it was dominated by two decks that both featured a level X … G&G and Magmortar. Together these decks crushed everything for much of the year.
This season saw more balance but the top cutting decks using level Xs have outnumbered the ones that don’t IMHO.
In any event I think that using a level X doesn’t negate the theme that “Boring is better.” Some of those Xs are pretty boring. Dialga G was GREAT but boring as all get out to play. You could win games just doing his first attack ALL GAME LONG. To me Gigas was a bit boring for the same reasons. 2 Attacks and 1 power were really all you needed. The biggest judgment call came in where to do 20 bench damage once every 4 turns on average. Yeah, the Gigas decks with Palkia required more thought but even then weren’t THAT complicated.
To me “not boring” = “complicated” and that usually indicates that a deck requires some kind of combo or complex strat to work. Examples of this would be AMU (need all three level Xs out), TogeChomp, Torterra/Sceptile, Magnezone (a la Yeti & Robot), and such. The presence or absence of an X doesn’t really dictate how boring or “interesting” to play a deck might be.
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