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Gardy X was great last season, where it won my round 8 in the grinder by Bringing Down those 40 HP Shuppets.

This season, in Nats, I hardly used Gardy X. I didn't need to teleport since I ran Warp Points and Moonlight

Can't say much about the other level X's other than Dialga G, Palkia G, Luxray GL, and Infernape 4. Do they even exist?
 
HAH. Coming from anyone at the gym, this is a HUGE laugh.


Torterra lv. x was average. One Tort deck did well at one tournament, and then it vanished off the face of the earth Torterra did well for a little while and then vanished quickly. Had his time in the limelight
Infernape lv.x was bad, and almost shouldnt have been played in Ape decks. 8 Fire in the discard is hard to do once, and impossible twice. It still was around in Inferncatty decks, so he too had his time
Gardevior lv. x was good when DRE was around. Now it isnt even used in GGW Doesnt mean it was always bad though, it's been gamechanging
Honchkrow Lv x has always been bad Darkwing Duck would like a word with you
Cresselia Lv. x is the most overrated card in the game in my opinion. Decent before Crobat, and useless post Crobat (Crobat does the same thing but faster and much easier) Crobat can heal AND damage every single turn? That's news to me.
Porygon z lv x is horrible Not at all, those powers are gamebreaking. If only people recognized how evil Porygon-Z Promo can be...
Garchomp lv. x Went undefeated swiss nats 2008 with Togekiss? I call BS, and if it did it was jrs/seniors Garchomp has always been an interesting rogue, and why would it be BS? Magnezone lv. x never contended in anything, once 2nd place at Nationals here? Having rather okay showings at Cities? Uh-uh, never contended...


My 2 pennies.

Not to be a jerk (well, kinda to be a jerk cause that's the only way I'll get my point across), but a post like this from you is absolutely worthless. How many worlds have you qualified for? How many tournaments have you won? How many tournaments have you played? You're literally clueless as to what high level competition is like, and your criticisms could only be seen as logical by other mediocre/bad players. If only people recognized how evil Porygon-Z Promo was? Yeah? Are you going to qualify for worlds using Porygon? Will you ever win a GAME with it? How about Honchkrow Lv x being good because one of your friends that nobody knows named DARKWING DUCK says its good. What credibility does he have? Maybe where you come from making the finals of 9 person battleroads counts as something, but in the real game, it doesn't mean anything.

And don't even get me started on the phrase "interesting rogue", the call of scrubs all over the world, ugh.
 
Not to be a jerk (well, kinda to be a jerk cause that's the only way I'll get my point across), but a post like this from you is absolutely worthless. How many worlds have you qualified for? How many tournaments have you won? How many tournaments have you played? You're literally clueless as to what high level competition is like, and your criticisms could only be seen as logical by other mediocre/bad players. If only people recognized how evil Porygon-Z Promo was? Yeah? Are you going to qualify for worlds using Porygon? Will you ever win a GAME with it? How about Honchkrow Lv x being good because one of your friends that nobody knows named DARKWING DUCK says its good. What credibility does he have? Maybe where you come from making the finals of 9 person battleroads counts as something, but in the real game, it doesn't mean anything.

And don't even get me started on the phrase "interesting rogue", the call of scrubs all over the world, ugh.

Wow. Chuck I don't know who you are but If you ever did good at an out of state event, then congrats, you probably played kingdra wich you stated is ALL YOU've played and probably all YOU KNOW HOW TO PLAY. I h ate people that are so bitter, you bash red face paint decks? Playing red face paint decks shows true skill, not playing kingdra uxie trying to get t1 with one energy, man thats a hard strategy. Ya boring might be better in some cases, but you can't tell me ScizorToxicroak Wasn't good, that was a red face paint deck. AND EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO BE POSTING ON THIS THREAD, YOU CAN'T TELL SOMEONE THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO POST ON THIS THREAD, Who knows, every tournament you won You could have been stacking with kingdra, or just getting lucky. We are just as important as you, even if we havn't top4 at worlds or something stupid. You Probably play every META-GAME DECK and say LOOK AT ME IM GOOD, and throw in 2 techs. You have no room to degrade other pokemon players mister chuck. And when your wrong, admit it, don't be so bitter, thats a good tip in GROWING UP. ALMOST EVERY lv. X DID see PLAY AT ONE TIME and did Well at one time, even if it wasnt a META-GAME deck.
 
Wow. Chuck I don't know who you are but If you ever did good at an out of state event, then congrats, you probably played kingdra wich you stated is ALL YOU've played and probably all YOU KNOW HOW TO PLAY. I h ate people that are so bitter, you bash red face paint decks? Playing red face paint decks shows true skill, not playing kingdra uxie trying to get t1 with one energy, man thats a hard strategy. Ya boring might be better in some cases, but you can't tell me ScizorToxicroak Wasn't good, that was a red face paint deck. AND EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO BE POSTING ON THIS THREAD, YOU CAN'T TELL SOMEONE THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO POST ON THIS THREAD, Who knows, every tournament you won You could have been stacking with kingdra, or just getting lucky. We are just as important as you, even if we havn't top4 at worlds or something stupid. You Probably play every META-GAME DECK and say LOOK AT ME IM GOOD, and throw in 2 techs. You have no room to degrade other pokemon players mister chuck. And when your wrong, admit it, don't be so bitter, thats a good tip in GROWING UP. ALMOST EVERY lv. X DID see PLAY AT ONE TIME and did Well at one time, even if it wasnt a META-GAME deck.

this is exactly why he wrote the article, son.

lafonte.
 
He didn't say rogue decks are bad, he said the phrase "interesting rogue" is usually used to describe a rogue deck that's almost good.

And I disagree about Gardy Lv X not being that good/used. It is :)

Also, part of being a good player is recognizing what decks are solid/consistent and have good matchups across the board and playing that.
 
I played a Rayquaza (reverse holo - it's shinier) in my Nationals deck because it's legendary and does 150 damage! Chuck isn't always right!
 
Pooka backwards is akoop which is spanish for queso which is french for idiot, imo.

Stay on topic folks! Again, boring CAN be better, not is. I admit some of the lv x's has their uses at times. When you get to Nats/Worlds though, there are only a few. Like this year for instance, I cant imagine seeing a level x other than Infernape, Palkia, Dialga, Luxray, Uxie, or Flygon, even though there are tons to choose from.
 
Pooka backwards is akoop which is spanish for queso which is french for idiot, imo.

Stay on topic folks! Again, boring CAN be better, not is. I admit some of the lv x's has their uses at times. When you get to Nats/Worlds though, there are only a few. Like this year for instance, I cant imagine seeing a level x other than Infernape, Palkia, Dialga, Luxray, Uxie, or Flygon, even though there are tons to choose from.

._. Boring IS better if you want to win tournaments.......It has been THE rule of thumb in Pokemon TCG since it existed! There are always some 'good' cards, clearly meant for competitive play and a bunch of fun cards in each set. Unless they decide releasing cards that force you to combo attacks to get your 6 Prizes, I don't see much, if any at all, room for Rogues and fun in the competitive places.
 
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With your Lv X argument, Sami Sekkoum chose and did well with Garchomp ( either 2nd or 1st ) at UK Nationals in 2008
 
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I think Chuck has danced around this idea the entire time, but just doesn't have the ability to voice it correctly. So, I'll state what he can't.

Chuck is not railing against LvX Pokemon.

He is not railing against Shiny cards.

He IS railing against people who think that, just because a card is a LvX or is Shiny, that the card is necessarily good.

He IS railing against people who make decks with 7 LvXs from different evolution lines with no connection between the two.

He IS railing against people who make decks with 9 different Stage 2 lines, none of which have any remote connection (even with respect to type!)

His basic suggestion in this thread is an old one.

KISS

KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

Build something simple, one or two evolution lines that are easy to understand and/or get to. Include lots of draw and search cards (Consistency Cards). Use the Speed Evoluters in an evolution deck. Don't worry about TecH until you have a good deck base to work around.

I'll admit to liking this article a lot. Without the attitude and the disparaging remarks about younger or newer players, it could be on the Front Page. Chuck has several good points about the game and the players, and rather than nitpick about what constitutes a good LvX card, we should look rather at the overall message of the article.
 
KISS is such a great rule of thumb when build decks. Many of the best decks I've ever used were also some of the simplest. The ones who deck checked me are very often surprised at just how simple my decks are. Why are they simple? Because simple usually means they work more often than not. I could use a more complex deck that works 4/10 but when it works it REALLY works. Or I can just use a simple deck that works 9/10 and probably win more games.

On a side note, simple decks are still tricky to build. Getting a build so refined can be very difficult. Yay... more boring stuff. :lol:
 
I think Chuck has danced around this idea the entire time, but just doesn't have the ability to voice it correctly. So, I'll state what he can't.

Chuck is not railing against LvX Pokemon.

He is not railing against Shiny cards.

He IS railing against people who think that, just because a card is a LvX or is Shiny, that the card is necessarily good.

He IS railing against people who make decks with 7 LvXs from different evolution lines with no connection between the two.

He IS railing against people who make decks with 9 different Stage 2 lines, none of which have any remote connection (even with respect to type!)

His basic suggestion in this thread is an old one.

KISS

KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

Build something simple, one or two evolution lines that are easy to understand and/or get to. Include lots of draw and search cards (Consistency Cards). Use the Speed Evoluters in an evolution deck. Don't worry about TecH until you have a good deck base to work around.

I'll admit to liking this article a lot. Without the attitude and the disparaging remarks about younger or newer players, it could be on the Front Page. Chuck has several good points about the game and the players, and rather than nitpick about what constitutes a good LvX card, we should look rather at the overall message of the article.


Ya but come on, like any one beside a little kid who just learned how to play pokemon is gonna play 9 stage 2 lines and a 2-2 of every lv. x in the set.. Some complicated decks do well, I think what he means is keep the strategy simple. Cause I can play decks that run 2-6 techs and still have it work amazing. And don't try to cover chuck bashing on players who havnt played in worlds. sheesh.
 
The 9 Stage 2 lines is a bit of an exaggeration, but it makes the point.

You still get players who are not new players trying to convince people that third rate cards like Drapion LV X and that new Electivire can be 'interesting rogues'. Unless you are playing for fun at League, the only worthwhile rogue is the one that can take on the metagame decks and win.

When people say a rogue deck is 'interesting', most of the time they mean 'fails miserably against tournament decks unless it gets a near-impossible perfect set up, but I beat my friend's crappy Butterfree deck EVERY TIME!'
 
Wow. Chuck I don't know who you are but If you ever did good at an out of state event, then congrats, you probably played kingdra wich you stated is ALL YOU've played and probably all YOU KNOW HOW TO PLAY. I h ate people that are so bitter, you bash red face paint decks? Playing red face paint decks shows true skill, not playing kingdra uxie trying to get t1 with one energy, man thats a hard strategy. Ya boring might be better in some cases, but you can't tell me ScizorToxicroak Wasn't good, that was a red face paint deck. AND EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO BE POSTING ON THIS THREAD, YOU CAN'T TELL SOMEONE THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO POST ON THIS THREAD, Who knows, every tournament you won You could have been stacking with kingdra, or just getting lucky. We are just as important as you, even if we havn't top4 at worlds or something stupid. You Probably play every META-GAME DECK and say LOOK AT ME IM GOOD, and throw in 2 techs. You have no room to degrade other pokemon players mister chuck. And when your wrong, admit it, don't be so bitter, thats a good tip in GROWING UP. ALMOST EVERY lv. X DID see PLAY AT ONE TIME and did Well at one time, even if it wasnt a META-GAME deck.


playing a "original" deck takes less skill then it takes to beat a "original" deck because hopefully if you are a good player then you have playtested against metagame decks, so you have more expernce then us metaplayers because we dont have any experence with your creation
 
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Building and playing a rogue deck that beats metagame decks = skill

Playing a deck full of subpar cards and struggling to win a handful of matches with it does not = skill
 
Not to be a jerk (well, kinda to be a jerk cause that's the only way I'll get my point across), but a post like this from you is absolutely worthless. How many worlds have you qualified for? How many tournaments have you won? How many tournaments have you played? You're literally clueless as to what high level competition is like, and your criticisms could only be seen as logical by other mediocre/bad players. If only people recognized how evil Porygon-Z Promo was? Yeah? Are you going to qualify for worlds using Porygon? Will you ever win a GAME with it? How about Honchkrow Lv x being good because one of your friends that nobody knows named DARKWING DUCK says its good. What credibility does he have? Maybe where you come from making the finals of 9 person battleroads counts as something, but in the real game, it doesn't mean anything.

And don't even get me started on the phrase "interesting rogue", the call of scrubs all over the world, ugh.

Okay, the fact that you gauge a player simply om his amount of wins sickens me to my bones already.

Now, as to PorygonZ, to simply start this off. I ran that card at States, and I know how it ripped through both Dialga AND Palkia with little sweat. The only way it lost in the end was a double semi-donk in the top cut. Why I didn't run it for Nationals? Because I didn't like the rise of Gengar too much. Shame it didn't end up being widely used at my nats, but I can't fully predict Nationals. Neither can you.

Honchkrow, then. Darkwing Duck was used around 1.5 years ago, its not big NOW. Remember? Honchkrow MT/Murkrow MT/Absol SW? Complete hand distruction? It was pretty big until people learned to deal with it, hence why I said it was actually good.

So you call others scrubs? You're one of those people who get their heads so far in the clouds that they look down on others because they don't win as much. You'd fit rather nice in the Yugioh crowd, elitist snobism is cheered upon there, last I heard.

Now, read this, and read this clearly. The first thing I learned when starting to join competitive games is to respect others, be they better or worse then you. Whether I win as much as you do is irrelevant - we are all equals here, all allowed our very own opinion. Calling others idiots simply because they may not win as much is just simple arrogance, and you know what a good player needs to be a GREAT player? Respect. You have a very obvious lack of it.

Now get my other point across. I stated simply put which Level X's saw play. Honchkrow? HE DID SEE PLAY, you cannot deny that. As for Porygon-Z, you calling it junk is simply because the GE Porygon-Z is so horrible. The Promo one is so much better, and in general, a good Porygon-Z would make the LVX one of the most sought-after cards simply because it has two great effects. While the part about Porygon-Z may be opinion (I've been able to use its abilities to its fullest, hence why I have this opinion), all the other things I stated were the mere facts of what was being used.

And you only played Kingdra all year long. Way to call me a mediocre player when you can evidently only pilot one deck properly.

And as a final FYI - I may come from a small country, but 9 players? No, we dont have tournaments that small. At least not where I play.




Also apologizing to the mods for trailing a bit off topic. I hope you don't blame me too much for reacting on the insults coming from this guy who doesn't even know me.
 
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