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Battle Roads are returning to small, league level events. That much is known. You are considering traveling a long enough distance to justify a hotel for exactly what reason??

Championship Points...

And how is "Battle Roads are returning to small, league level events" known? No-one from Pokemon has communicated with the customers about it.
 
Battle Roads are returning to small, league level events. That much is known. You are considering traveling a long enough distance to justify a hotel for exactly what reason??

Because no one has bothered to come out and say "Competive players need not invest in BRs" or "X amount/no CP points at BRS" and if we find out the CP awarded, even 1 or 2, are intergial to a competitve season, we as competitve players have to prepare somehow? All we've heard on the subject of BRs new level is that they will be smaller and without Top Cut,t hat doesn't mean they dont hold value in the overall tourney run.
 
You'll definitely be taken seriously, posting that here... on Pokegym.....

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Haha, I know...it's kind of the point.... it seems like this is the only place to have any chance of contacting them. :)

You said it yourself, they don't even have their own message board, so I mean why not post it here. Apparently, it's hard to be taken seriously anywhere, by applying in any fashion these days...
 
I've come to the conclusion as well as that they don't have the right person doing the job. Their public relations are horrible, and I think that is a result of them adding on these job responsibilities whose main job is something else, possibly different people at different times, so no one is really responsible for this stuff, and that is why communication is so bad.

I think Pokemon would be well served adding a job of public relations director for the trading card game. It could probably be around a $30,000 job, at least to start off. A recent college grad from any good journalism school should be able to do a much better job than they have been doing. There is a lot of untapped opportunity to grow the game and it starts here. If I'm wrong and this is someone's primary job responsibility, than they probably aren't fit for this job, but I highly doubt someone is responsible for this.
 
I've come to the conclusion as well as that they don't have the right person doing the job. Their public relations are horrible, and I think that is a result of them adding on these job responsibilities whose main job is something else, possibly different people at different times, so no one is really responsible for this stuff, and that is why communication is so bad.

I think Pokemon would be well served adding a job of public relations director for the trading card game. It could probably be around a $30,000 job, at least to start off. A recent college grad from any good journalism school should be able to do a much better job than they have been doing. There is a lot of untapped opportunity to grow the game and it starts here. If I'm wrong and this is someone's primary job responsibility, than they probably aren't fit for this job, but I highly doubt someone is responsible for this.

An organization only staffs a public relations department when they are concerned about what the public thinks.
 
I will agree that the information needs to be given very soon...

I am just removing the misconception that there is this huge corporate entity in some skyscraper in Bellevue WA that is running the OP branch of the Pokemon Company.

There are many many folks who work within the company, but OP is just a small corner of the business.
 
An organization only staffs a public relations department when they are concerned about what the public thinks.

I sense that to be a jab at OP...

You say "hire more!", but it's clear that money would have to come from somewhere, and it would likely be the OP budget. Do you really want that cut further so you can have someone deliver better sounding PR stuff to us?

I'm getting a kick out of that considering there are so many threads whining about prize support and cuts...

Seriously guys, OP isn't run out of a bottomless sack of money. We can't have both ways...

I really find it appalling that there are people in here who are basically calling for the current OP to be fired. How the heck does that logic work? (Edit-I've been told I misunderstood someone's post; I apologize)

Don't get me wrong, I want that CP info just as badly as the rest of you, (Heck, I don't even know what I'm doing Sunday, it mostly depends on CP) but really? Is this the image you want us to broadcast as a community?
 
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I really find it appalling that there are people in here who are basically calling for the current OP to be fired. How the heck does that logic work?

Please find where anyone has said that or said anywhere near that. People are saying more people should be hired, not to fire everyone.

I don't think we're asking for too much. We're literally asking to release the tournament structure more than 5 days before the season starts. We're not even asking for the whole season's structure, just the first tournament's.
 
I was discussing this problem with a friend and they pointed out that P!P apparently needs to clear their system and announcements with Japan. I don't know this for sure, but it really makes a lot of sense.

Japan may be waiting to announce the structure until after the season starts (Sept 1), and P!P can't announce before then without undermining them. Japan may not have tournaments for a few more weeks... they have no reason to rush.
 
Please find where anyone has said that or said anywhere near that. People are saying more people should be hired, not to fire everyone.

Charranitar's post on why he doesn't think the right people are doing the job. Saying someone isn't right for their job is as good as saying they should be fired.
I don't think we're asking for too much. We're literally asking to release the tournament structure more than 5 days before the season starts. We're not even asking for the whole season's structure, just the first tournament's.

As I put in the last bit of my post, I do not disagree. My qualm is not with those who think we should have it by now; I agree with that. My issue is with those blatantly suggesting OP are bad at what they do.
 
I sense that to be a jab at OP...

Guys, give them a break. You seriously are expecting too much out of a small bunch of people. You say "hire more!", but it's clear that money would have to come from somewhere, and it would likely be the OP budget. Do you really want that cut further so you can have someone deliver better sounding PR stuff to us?

I'm getting a kick out of that considering there are so many threads whining about prize support and cuts...

Seriously guys, OP isn't run out of a bottomless sack of money. We can't have both ways...

I really find it appalling that there are people in here who are basically calling for the current OP to be fired. How the heck does that logic work?

Don't get me wrong, I want that CP info just as badly as the rest of you, (Heck, I don't even know what I'm doing Sunday, it mostly depends on CP) but really? Is this the image you want us to broadcast as a community?

Not really just a fact. They have made it clear that they are unconcered about what is or is not thought about what they do. that is why the top cut was removed without any reason or concern given.

We do not know what problems or issues were occuring in the past with top cuts at battle roads.

Nor do we know how getting rid of top cuts a battle roads will make things better.

All we ever know is changes are made, we need to deal with them and we never need to be concerend with the reasons why.
 
Not really just a fact. They have made it clear that they are unconcered about what is or is not thought about what they do. that is why the top cut was removed without any reason or concern given.

You've already made your disapproval of the removal of top cut clear, but I would like you to actually put some thought into this, rather than just assuming that your perspective is automatically the only (or best) one P!P should be considering. Every time someone makes such a selfishly one-sided ultimatum I get goosebumps and the urge to punch a wall, and - you know me - it's hard to imagine me punching a wall.

I struggle to find a kinder word for this point of view than ignorant. That's kinda what it is: ignorant of the idea that there are priorities, worthwhile priorities, that aren't you or the competitive player at large. I'm sure many people have already made the same points I could make, and more, but I'd just like to point out one that I am particularly emotional about:

Do you really think P!P doesn't care about what we think, given the fact that their head brass (well... only brass...) are reading Pokegym for ideas, opinions, and criticisms? We've had Liesik responding to us regularly on the PTCGO situation and we had Exo give us some news on BRs, and you're upset and think they don't care about us?
 
A rather insensitive comment for both Kayle and TPCi. Hope that makes yo momma proud that you injured at least 2 people with one thrown stone. :wink:

It's not TPCi's fault that secondary market prices are what they are, nor Kayle's that decisions are made that affect those prices that are out of Kayle's control. Implying that TPCi has an ulterior motive to hurt players is ridiculous and demeaning to all of us - kinda stupid sounding to someone who has a brain.... but then again, I suppose I've had my fair share of stupid comments at one time or another. So hey ... go right ahead. :thumb:

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, so I'll address it as if its not....

I never implied that TCPi controlled the secondary market. I thought my implication was clear as to how the secondary market works and TCPi's "lack" of control of it. Kayle's statement was that he would not have spent the money to buy cards on the secondary market if the bad decisions made by TCPi had been announced early enough. If TCPi announces these decisions early, Kayle doesn't buy these cards, the secondary market doesn't move, TCPi makes less sales. So, while they don't "control" the secondary market, influencing it is just as good...kinda like not putting 4 packs of the new sets on the market in tins, now people have to buy more tins to get more of the packs, only makes sense...but, you're right, they have NO control of the secondary market....like how Mewtwo and Darkrai were both $50 until...the "no control of the secondary market" TCPi makes them promos and tanks their value...funny how TCPi has that power whilst having no control of the secondary market. Or, how we don't get EX's in decks like Japan does...or how TCPi controls the rarity of cards during print...but, again, you're right, no control. Of course they control they secondary market. To say or think otherwise is not a wayward opinion, rather a false statement. It is 100% TCPi's fault the prices are what they are.

I never implied that TCPi had ANY motive other than to make money...they are a business, that is implied as well. It is in their best interest for their sales to put off announcing bad decisions as late as possible. I NEVER implied or speculated they made the decisions to hurt players, only to make money.

Telling Kale the obvious is not insensitive. Poking fun at TCPi's decisions that ultimately hurt their players, intentionally or not, is not insensitive.
 
I certainly believe that they do care about concerns of the players. I also think they are concerned about venue and league owners, corporate owners, PTO's, TO's, LL's, professors, and dare I say even families. It's a very fine line to walk. Let's think about that for a moment.

Each and every one of us has our own set of circumstances and priorities. Some of you may even be juggling with many of the same priorities mentioned in the last paragraph. Not all of those priorities are simple to please, nor are they automatically on the same side. Let's face it, sometimes they mutually exclude and defy and deny each other satisfaction. It's quite a burden where sometimes hard choices have to be made. I would suspect most, if not all of the decisions have already been made about this year's organized play, but since I'm 'not in the know' there's no way that statement can be proven. I just have a hunch. However, the reason why we don't have that info yet ..... we may never know. You'll just have to take it on faith that they have the best interests of organized play in mind. If you don't have that faith, then no amount of reasoning will convince you that you have nothing to fear. One thing you learn as you grow up is that you have to roll with the punches to become less damaged. Fighting something you can't control will only do more damage. Patience is definitely virtuous, but can also give you a sense of calm, which does your heart good. Believe me. I know. In the meantime, do your own risk assessment, take a chance, and make your own decision without all the pertinent information. Have faith. In the end, you'll be better off for it, and you may learn something about yourself you didn't realize before. You don't need all the answers staring you right in the face to be able to make a good decision .... or a poor decision. Either way, you'll learn something. Try it out.

Just an addendum to this post however: If I remember correctly, yes, Exo did come on the gym to give us a small tidbit regarding CP's. I believe he did so AFTER someone already spilled the beans regarding part of their plans. And we wonder why they don't tell us things. :lol: Confidential talk should remain confidential. (Yes Pop, maybe I have learned something over the years. I wish other people would get the hint too. Sorry everybody. Inside joke.)

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No, I suppose not, but poking fun at your comment must not have been insensitive either, right chrataxe? ...... I guess you must have thought so, or you might not have felt the need to reply. 2 wrongs don't make a right. I apologize. I hope we both learned something from it.
 
I think Rokman hit the nail on the head a few post back.

WARNING: Everything following this paragraph is an opinion. For those of you who don't like other people's opinion, now is a good time to stop reading...


I'm going to reiterate some things Rokman said. For the sake of arguement, TCPi, POP, and P!P are all the same thing.

I have been very, very....VERY frustrated with POP's lack of organization for a year, maybe more.

(Feel free to correct anything that is wrong below)
So, lets think back...I think it started around Nats (or was it Regionals?) last year with the "No trophy" fiasco....it was blamed on an Earthquake in Japan. Fair enough. We didn't know the earthquake was coming. However, we did know that US Nats was coming....years in advance. But, in true form, POP put it off until the last second, thus putting them in the situation in the first place. Then, they "ran out" of POP ID's for a bit. Cities comes our way, no medals. I got at least two emails from other LL's this year asking if anyone had extra stuff to donate because there wasn't enough materials made...and, if I'm not mistaken, the last three league season have been short on supplies. My last league order came in about 5-6 weeks after I ordered it. My last Prof. store order took almost 2 months.

Customer service is a joke. You can make all the excuses you want, it doesn't change the fact that its a pathetic. I don't care if its 4 people, 100 people, or 12 monkeys, its pathetic. If you submit a ticket, it often takes a month to hear back. I remember reading about someone posting about a ticket asking about VGC prize support. The answer took forever and was wrong.

POP has zero communication with their base and has little care for their wants. One could arguing that all of the whining about Sabledonk made a difference, but lets be honest, it was BLATANTLY clear the rotation needed to happen, POP didn't need us telling them about it.

The list goes on and on. Before I go any further, let me state WHY I play this game: I like THE GAME. As a card game, I think it has many, many purities that other games that involve "less" luck. One of the comparisons about luck is always made to MtG. I don't play Magic, but I do play WoWtcg, which is virtually identical in game play. Magic decks run much higher mana counts than Pokemon does energy....missing an energy drop in Pokemon hurts, but sometimes, i ts advantageous to pass on a drop. Its not ok to miss a mana drop in Magic. I find it funny that people think there is less luck in Magic, but have no idea about the game. Magic as a whole has way, waaaaay less draw cards than Pokemon. In Pokemon, getting 2 extra cards per turn is considered bad, but in games like Magic and WoW, it is AMAZING. Pokemon cycles hands so much, a lot of the "luck of the draw" goes away. MOST times, you are stuck on top decks in other games. If you are supposed to play a card every turn AND drop mana every turn, how quick does that 7 card starting hand go away? Believe it or not, Pokemon has a LOT less luck in it than people realize. The simplicity of the game play makes the game much more obvious...which, is a lot like chess. In chess, you know your opponent's "cards" and you know all of their possible plays. Pokemon is very, very much the same way. Your opponent's next move is almost always obvious in Pokemon. Its all about making good decisions that give you an advantage later. As an example, if I'm playing Empoleon and I have 2 Piplups in play T1, where do I attach the energy, to the active or the bench? My decision on that gives me board control. If do the obvious and attach to the active to do 10 damage, I give away board control. But, the play is obvious. How will my opponent respond? I will have to assume he is going to Catcher up my energied pokemon. If he doesn't hit the catcher I have a substantial advantage....even if he hits it, I still make him waste the catcher. The game play itself is one of the best out there in TCG land. The community is great as well. I have children. This is really about the only game that is...suitable for small children....and, kids love Pokemon. Those are many of the reason I DO play Pokemon. I don't play this game because of the amazing support (customer and other wise) given by TCPi, nor do I play because I think they do an amazing job with only 4 people. I don't play because the prizes are awesome. I don't play because its cheap (because its not). So, if I play for the love of the game, I don't have to like TCPi or POP and I should be able to redress my grievances and not be called a whiner because I AM a customer and I spend a LOT of money on this game.

Quickly I'm gonna go into some things I love about WoW, just to make a reference for later. Wow customer support is AMAZING. My local store missed an email that went to the spam folder and saw it one day after the deadline. He emailed them explain the situation and they replied THAT DAY and said it was cool, the ANTICIPATED this happening and SCHEDULED a buffer...amazing, huh? You can get on their forums and the OP employees actually answer you. Even better, they are PROACTIVE!!! Recently, the just announced prizes for worlds. Historically, 1st at worlds was 50K. This year, they bumped it to 20K. Instead of letting 1000 thread pop up whining about it, they tackled it straight away by directly addressing WHY they did it a blog...and I've seen NO complaining from the community. Could you image the outcry if Pokemon did away with over half of their top prizes, like stopped giving out scholarships at Regionals? It took less than a week for our store to get approved for BG's (league), took me probably close to 2-3 months to get my league ironed out for Pokemon. Their TOM is STUPIDLY simple...and very effective. Response time on every issue I've ever seen has been really good and down right amazing when compared to Pokemon.

Now, I don't want to go on forever, I just want to make simple state about WHY they are so good: its important to them. Cryptozoic (the company that designs and runs WoWTCG) is a gaming company, its what they do. If they couldn't manage the TCG OP, Blizzard (the company that owns the rights to WoW) wouldn't let them, the would get someone else to do it. So, Cryptozoic made a company that is in the business of running games efficiently. They are a small company as well (not sure of the exact number), but put on a amazing showing at GenCon, not just with WoW, but with their board games as well...and they did it at ComicCon...and they still ran their leagues and had questions answered by customer service, never missing a beat, even if getting backed up a bit.

Now, the point of the last two paragraphs is just for me to simply state this: Pokemon Organized Play will ALWAYS be horrible as long as they keep the model they have. Now, I'm not trying to give a good break down of the hierarchy of POP or TCPi, so don't beat me up about the specifics, but POP is "run" or "owned" or "insert appropriate verb" by TCPi. TCPi is owned by Nintendo. So, for all intents and purposes, Nintendo owns POP. We all know what Nintendo does. So, basically, what the business model for Pokemon is simple: we make crap tons of money selling our video games, made by Nintendo. Subsidiaries of Nintendo (TCPi and whoever makes the anime) make products to support the video games, with each product helping the other product. The, there is POP. TCPi already makes the cards and they market directly to children and get MOST of their sales on impulse buys at retail stores. But, of course, there is the actual GAME, which is why the cards are printed right? Well, since the powers that be make a game, TCPi has to "run" the game, a task that seems like more of a hassle to them. The reality is, if their OP was making them money hand over fist, they would have amazing prizes, like 20K cash for worlds....but, its not. In fact, it makes them so little money (in the grand scheme of things), its burdensome. So, they give it a measly budget and a few people to manage it. As long as that is their model, POP will continue to fail. They look at it as something they have to do, not something they love to do because its the backbone of their sales....like other companies...and its not just Wow. What else does Wizards do besides Magic? Oh, that's right, NOTHING!!!! So, promoting MtG (in other words, appealing to their players) is important to them. Marketing to children is important to TCPi.

So, take this ridiculously long post for what its worth. Again, its my opinion, but when you step out of the muddle of POP and look at it from a different angle, its pretty clear. My advice is simple: if you want to continue playing this game because you love it, then do it. If you want to keep playing this game in hopes that POP gets their stuff together...find another game.
 
You guys do realize that only 3-4 people handle all this OP information. There is no "corporate staff" other than they guys you already know....Dave, Dan, Pete and Brad...they are customer service also.

And as NoPoke has mentioned, they handle OP for all areas of the world except for Japan.

You will get your information in time...you were going to go to Battle Roads anyway..right?
This isn't an isolated issue. Poor communication has been a consistent issue for a long period of time now. I'm not sure how bad it is on the TCG side (pretty terrible as well if this situation is any indication) but I had to book $400 - $600 flight tickets last season for Nationals without essential information about the video game last season. Players were disqualified at Nationals as a result of information not being available publicly. Players who qualified for Worlds were only finding out format changes a week before the competition and only via other players who had learned the information by e-mailing / asking the Professor forums.

I just want clear, public communication about stuff that affects us in advance of when we need it so we can properly prepare and allocate our time / money.
 
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[/COLOR]No, I suppose not, but poking fun at your comment must not have been insensitive either, right chrataxe? ...... I guess you must have thought so, or you might not have felt the need to reply. 2 wrongs don't make a right. I apologize. I hope we both learned something from it.

I don't have sensitivity issues on the internet. Truthfully, not in real life either. I don't feel that your comments were wrong or inappropriate, just like I don't feel mine where either. As such, I don't expect an apology from you, nor do I intend to give one. I replied because you replied, just seems rude to ignore people. If I miss your post and don't reply, that's one thing. But, if you take the time to reply to me, I feel I should do the same, nothing more, nothing less should be read into "why" I responded.

You can put faith in things if you want, but being dishonest doesn't help faith. The TRUTH is, POP has consistently SHOWN the inability to manage the game. I'm honestly not one who likes cliche quotes, but one of the very few I truly believe in: actions speak louder than words. It would be different if we had seen horrible support before but its has been getting noticeably better, but its been quite the opposite.

When I say "they don't care," I'm not referring to the individuals that actually work for POP, I'm referring to the Corporate engine that is TCPi/Nintendo. Their ultimate goal is to make money. Again, if you deny this, you are being dishonest to yourself. Being as their objective is to make money, profits, as in ANY company, come before the "well being of a small hassle in the company." My lack of faith is not in POP, its in TCPi. If you are in the mood to banter back and forth, honestly answer me this: given all of the problems we've seen in POP recently, how much do you honestly think TCPi cares about organized play?

If Exo did come on only as a "response" to "spilled beans," that's the point of our frustration, the info was only released by Exo BECAUSE he HAD to. We want them to willing WANT talk to us, not have "confidentiality" issues. The problem in the first place was that it was CONFIDENTIAL.

And, for what its worth, I'm probably much, much older than you think. I don't claim to be patient and I can attest to some of the virtues of what patience I have learned in life, but this isn't an issue of patience. Again, honestly curious, how long should one be willing to wait?
 
Charranitar's post on why he doesn't think the right people are doing the job. Saying someone isn't right for their job is as good as saying they should be fired.

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying that the 4 people who make up OP have too many roles and that they should hire more people to move some of those roles to other people. It's no good if you're the PR guy, head tester and treasurer. Those roles need to be broken up among multiple people.
 
That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying that the 4 people who make up OP have too many roles and that they should hire more people to move some of those roles to other people. It's no good if you're the PR guy, head tester and treasurer. Those roles need to be broken up among multiple people.

Fair enough, that's not how I saw his post, but I can see that meaning in it.
 
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