GrandmaJoner said:
Now, I've been subject to good judging and bad judging. An example of this was the WORLDS 2004 SEMIFINAL where my opponent took a prize when he didn't KO one of my Pokemon. The judges converged, showed me the prize and told him to put it back and that was the next one he would take. NO PENALTY OR GAME LOSS OR ANYTHING! WHY SHOULD THERE BE? THAT'S PERFECT! Seeing his lightning energy in his prizes didn't affect the match AT ALL. It was a GREAT EXAMPLE of judging,
sounds fair to me.
In my game, I remember once or twice I forgot to discard a supporter, but i did it at some point during my opponent's turn. What is wrong with that? Did it affect the game AT ALL? NO! Yet someone else gets a GAME LOSS for it? WHAT IS THAT? Is that necessary AT ALL? RIDICULOUS!
Definitely agree with you. People need to lighten up and not worry about the small stuff.
[There should be no game losses for anything except CHEATING, or doing something on PURPOSE.
Yes. Especially in single elimination, in which a game loss prevents a person from winning a tournament entirely. This is one reason not to have single elimination and just make the tournaments swiss. In sinle elim, losing against
one player prevents you from winning the tournament entirely, which means that a loss penalty is the same as being disqualified (ie. kicked out of the entire tournament).
The things that deserve one loss and the things that deserve disqualification are different. But with single elimination, there is no distinction. In swiss (most of the time), one loss won't prevent you from winning the tournament.
If someone starts randomly looking through their deck or something like that on purpose, or if they like flip up their opponents prizes, things like this are obviously intentional and should be punished.
Right. Judges are punishing
errors with penalities that are more suited to things that are
intentional.
When people fly from all over and get ridiculous rulings to lose them games, for no real reason whatsoever, it's a real shame. And i mean that seriously.
Yes, Tara came all the way from Lusby, got 28th place and lost first round
Tara Mattingly on the Aardvark VCG forums said:
Top 32 in Nats is played in one hour rounds, best 2 out of 3.
So - I played BLS and won the first game. He won the second. Third game I made a crucial mistake which cost me the game - literally - I had to take a game loss. Nick you are going to kill me.
There was only 2-3 minutes left in the hour. He played a Holon Mentor and discarded a Rocket Admin. I was looking at my hand when he threw the Mentor and I only saw the Admin hit the discard pile. So.....I shuffled my hand into my deck and played Rockets. Well....he discarded it...not played it. Shuffling your hand into your deck is an auto loss and there you have it.
He received a warning for not making the play clear but it is my fault - I should have noticed the cards on the field. He was a super nice guy though and PUI made the right call. I'm pretty sure he had me anyway.
I thought this was pretty sad, but Tara later told me that:
it was announced at the beginning of Nationals that if you shuffled your hand into your deck it would be a game loss. So, we all had fair warning. I didn't think I would ever do anything like that. Now I can see how easily it can happen. Especially at an event where you have been playing for 3 days straight without much sleep!
That makes it better, but still, I think it is too extreme.
GrandmaJoner said:
my post will probably get deleted anyways because the adults who mod this section dont like to hear this kind of stuff
I'm sure as long as your post conforms to the rules of this forum, they'll leave you alone.
This needs to be seriously looked at and CHANGED. NOW. Before some other garbage like this takes place.
I think things are relatively good, as far as OP is concerned, and I don't think any of this will cause us to quit. The very loyal players at least. But what about the newer players?
How about some 7-year-old who goes to a State Championship and just got into his first tournament (and probably doesn't even know what "Modified" is, or what "TCG" means). What if he makes an error and a judge gives an extreme penalty similar to the ones mentioned above? How will that new player react? What will he think? People who are not as established in the game will be turned away by this kind of thing. Bad judging may be a little more tolerable for us loyal players, but some newer players will be discouraged by it. We don't want to turn them away from Pokemon:frown: