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pokemonmike said:
Well I am sorry if it seemed ignorant but it gets tiring hearing all these "elite" players :rolleyes: whining like 6 yr olds who say they should have been invited to worlds ! It is a game that anyone can win even if it is a luck sack win, it is still a win. I will say everyone from every country should get the same oppurtunity to have the chance to win a trip and not because you are good and "think" you should have been invited. Win's are wins plain and simple and if you don't win there is always next year.
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you win this thread.
 
pokemonmike said:
Well I am sorry if it seemed ignorant but it gets tiring hearing all these "elite" players :rolleyes: whining like 6 yr olds who say they should have been invited to worlds ! It is a game that anyone can win even if it is a luck sack win, it is still a win. I will say everyone from every country should get the same oppurtunity to have the chance to win a trip and not because you are good and "think" you should have been invited. Win's are wins plain and simple and if you don't win there is always next year.
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*clap* very well said.
 
lol. Congrats to your bro Fried, he always came up to me and told me how he won his match in grinders. I got the unfortunate luck of playing my deck with 2 key cards switched out and a late shuttle bus getting me a time dq on my 7th match at grinders... everythings a part of it... we should just b happy that Canadians are proving that they can play as well as anybody else in the world. A win's a win and at the end of the day, people will just see that.. not how you turned 1 somebody, or how you got a lucky roll. Sometimes it goes for you, sometimes against you. Anyways, good luck to you guys in the upcoming season.
 
People say the same thing about poker, Prime.


The fact is that this is still a game based on skill. Just like poker. The biggest tournament of poker (10k main event) is almost never won by pros anymore because of the sheer number of players a pro has to overcome and not get really unlucky against.

Same with nats and worlds. Notice that only like 5/32 for masters t32 were notable players? Not a coincidence with a pool of 400+.

This year's worlds? The field was smaller, but we (us) had WAYYYY less players. Instead of the field being larger for the US's pros to overcome people, there were simply fewer of them. Same ratio of pros:novices as US:eek:thers this year when comparing US nats to worlds.

Luck is a big factor in the game, but don't for a minute think that this isn't a game dominated by skill.

Donk shmonk. This wasn't the year for the US. Partly because of luck, but a lot because we didn't have the appropriate representation.

What I'm saying is: is worlds a true representation of the best player? IMO no. Just like the main event of poker isn't a true representation of the world's best.

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IMO the US players were both severely outnumbered and faced people that had a MUCH easier time getting to worlds than they did. Outnumbered and with more people against them luck plays a larger role and affects the tournament as expected- we didn't take it this year.

I may sound arrogant, but I still feel the US has the largest amount of highly-skilled players (outside of possibly Japan, which is honestly completely unknown to us). When you take into consideration all the different aspects of what makes a good player: deck building. consistency. etc.

Maybe next year?
 
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Outnumbered? The US made up around 30% of the players at Worlds this year. What wouldn't be outnumbered if 30% of the field is outnumbered? 50% of the field? More?

If the following system keeps happening each year, and not everyone and their grandma from the US gets to play at Worlds, we will hear the same old gripe. "We weren't represented truly this year." It all comes down to who your favorites are and who actually went to Worlds. If all of your favorites/bfs/homies didn't go to Worlds, OF COURSE your going to feel the US wasn't well represented.

But I'd like to see ANY country well represented with 1 invite. Do you think other countries complain about how they weren't well represented with their 1 person they sent to Worlds? I have seen no said discussion. It's the US that keeps complaining (with a little RainbowGym OP love/hate discussion thrown in).

I can see why people liked the past systems. All you had to do was win a single tournament (Gym Challenge) and you got to go to Worlds. When they took that away, people didn't have easy trips. Awwwww, how sad. In the past, the US would send like 50 people of each age group to Worlds (right? wrong? I'm not 100% sure but I keep seeing this 150 person per age group thing. The US might had sent MORE than 50 per age group) and this year they send around 12 + some (Grinder, past champions) which also fluctuated depending on the age group. I can see where people can get mad. Especially when so many people see Worlds as being the tournament to see who is the best in the World. It would make sense too since cities is all about who is best in the city, state, in the state, etc, etc. Everyone wants to play at Worlds and that doesn't change, even if the system changes to allow or not allow as many people in each year.

But PUI felt Worlds wasn't about who was the best in the world and that is why they made it smaller and limited the age groups to 64 each. Why I feel they will in the future help other countries before helping the US. Because it's not about sending all your best players to Worlds. It's about players representing their country and a compilation of many countries from around the world coming together to play the game they love to play.

The system has changed and signs seem to point to the system staying the same pretty much. Don't get to Worlds this year? Try next year. As long as you try your best thing year, you can't feel bad about your outcome.

The US wasn't well represented this year? I'd like to say the only reason someone could say the US was well represented in the previous years would be purely because of the number of people the US sent to Worlds. But I know every single person could look at the list of people that got to Worlds in the past years and pick out a clean 10-20 people that aren't Worlds-class players. So how well was the US represented in the past, if they sent all their good players, but a lot of medium-skilled players too?
 
IMO the US players were both severely outnumbered and faced people that had a MUCH easier time getting to worlds than they did.
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How does them having an easier time getting in matter? Seems like you're just throwing a pointless gripe in there. If anything, it damages your point; you'd think that if it was so easy for them to get there, they wouldn't necessarily be good players, right? So the great US players that had to brave their brutal invite system should probably have won?
 
ryanvergel said:
The fact is that this is still a game based on skill. Just like poker. The biggest tournament of poker (10k main event) is almost never won by pros anymore because of the sheer number of players a pro has to overcome and not get really unlucky against.
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That's why small Tournaments with hard selection is better than wide open Tournaments. That's why in poker was created the 50,000$ Horse, to really determine who is the best poker player, because there is far less players in this tournament than in the WSOP Main Event.

I like the example of Poker, because I feel Pokémon is the same kind of game : based on skill, but with a part of luck. If it's your day in Poker/Pokémon, nothing can stop you.

About US representation at Worlds, I clearly understand the point of view of US players that think they deserve the right to enter this tournament. But they easily forget, or don't know, that there is a lot of skilled players outside the US that weren't able to do Worlds because of the 1-invite-per-country rule.
 
Drich said:
About US representation at Worlds, I clearly understand the point of view of US players that think they deserve the right to enter this tournament. But they easily forget, or don't know, that there is a lot of skilled players outside the US that weren't able to do Worlds because of the 1-invite-per-country rule.
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Quoted for sure.

a lot of skilled players (some of them did top 32 in 2006) stayed at home for bad luck at national or cheating with ranking from other country... just like happened in USA (and pheraps happend in jappan since Yamato didn't played last year).

Pheraps You (Usa players) know how much great maerican stayed at home and are angry for it.

But you don't understand there there are MANY great european players that stayed at home and you don't know them (and probably you will never know them cause POP prefers to close his eyes on cheaters).

BTW i don't think this show of "sour grapes" will ever end.

too many usa players? => europe angry!

More European players? => usa angry!

Just Europe and USA? => angry canada, mexico and S. America, and rest of the world...
 
Personnaly, I have a great respect for the US players that make it to Worlds (this year but other year too).

They often play in a high-competitive area, they have a real metagame, and they are obliged to be high-skilled to keep on having great results in their tournaments.

Here, in Europe, our metagame is ...hmm... noobs.dec in majority. OK, it seems easy to win tournaments. It seems easy for you to earn an invite. Maybe it is.

But because we don't have any metagame, it's quite impossible to test in real conditions brand new decks that break metagame.
So I'm pleased with European players that come to Worlds with new decks, that kick asses each round with something they weren't able to test in real condition, or with inaccurate informations. I'm actually thinking to Steffen From, who did a great job creating something new to counter a metagame he knows from Internet, and that worked.

That proves that Europe too can produce skilled player, world-class player. They deserve more than anybody to be at Worlds.
 
Prime said:
But I'd like to see ANY country well represented with 1 invite. Do you think other countries complain about how they weren't well represented with their 1 person they sent to Worlds? I have seen no said discussion. It's the US that keeps complaining (with a little RainbowGym OP love/hate discussion thrown in).
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Prime don't get me wrong, I do love OP, but I hate the way it's arranged outside North America and particular in my own country (some countries OP seems to do fine).
It's amazing but most Europeans are not even asking for more invites per country, but if possible most people want to have a European tournament with invites or at least bigger multiple country covering tournaments.
Why? Because of the competition, another way to earn your way up to Worlds (beside that 1 invite of Nationals).

Last season was already a very strange one. The French distributor was willing to pay for a trip as prize for the European Challenge (according to my source) and didn't get it. While Germany got 2 for their Nationals.
I can only hope that this season there will be another distributor who is willing to "share" iso invites being locked behind borders of nations. Or even better POP/PUI will pay for all invites and chances the way of distribution of them.
What a lot of European comp. players miss (at least the Dutch ones), are OPEN Nationals with trips trickling down to the first person of that Nation. Because those tournaments are a bigger challenge.
 
Drich said:
But because we don't have any metagame, it's quite impossible to test in real conditions brand new decks that break metagame.
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Which countries does not have a metagame?
I know that Norway has at least, and several of my INTL friends have predictable metagames.
Netsites like Pokegym makes the US metagame international, nad we netdeck, thereforce, we have the same metagame as US:
 
It is of course highly exagerated. What I want to say is that a tournament in San Diego, CA hasn't the same level of play that a tournament in La Rochelle, France.
 
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