DanthePokeMan
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I think it's one part karma and one part not being able to cheat. No cheat = no win.
Cheater unbanned and playing at Worlds?
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I think it's one part karma and one part not being able to cheat. No cheat = no win.
People would be wrong. It’s also worth noting that threatening us with a lawsuit in your appeal letter would generally not work out the way you would want it to.
In other news, speculation without facts just leads to a lot of people being angry for no good reason. The fact of the matter is that we know what Curtis wrote and he knows what he wrote. We stand by our decision and no, we won’t discuss his personal business on a public forum. This is a courtesy that we will continue to extend to players who suffer disciplinary action, whether they appeal that action or not, because it is the right thing to do.
If you would like to continue assuming that we are “lame” or that we condone cheating, please do so knowing that you are willfully ignoring the fact that you do not have all the details of the situation. :thumb:
People would be wrong. It’s also worth noting that threatening us with a lawsuit in your appeal letter would generally not work out the way you would want it to.
In other news, speculation without facts just leads to a lot of people being angry for no good reason. The fact of the matter is that we know what Curtis wrote and he knows what he wrote. We stand by our decision and no, we won’t discuss his personal business on a public forum. This is a courtesy that we will continue to extend to players who suffer disciplinary action, whether they appeal that action or not, because it is the right thing to do.
If you would like to continue assuming that we are “lame” or that we condone cheating, please do so knowing that you are willfully ignoring the fact that you do not have all the details of the situation. :thumb:
I think you for your response, but here's the way myself and the player base see it. Unless you want to divulge more, this will always be the way we see it.
The facts are:
1) Curtis stacked his deck on camera.
2) Curtis seems like a half-way intelligent dude. Therefore, it is highly likely he know what he was doing.
3) The judges were asleep at the wheel and did not stop this while it was happening.
4) Alex and Con were banned from P!P for playing as each other at a Pre-Release and then lying about it.
All these taken as a whole lead to several possible conclusions:
- Cheating is OK with P!P. Specifically, cheating the the course of play is more OK than gaming the system at a Pre-Re.
- P!P would rather have a cheater get off than have to admit their judges were woefully mistaken at the time of said cheating. Alternatively, P!P thinks that because the judges missed it, they can't punish the offender and perhaps two wrongs does make a right...
- P!P did not actually think it was cheating, which would be incredibly silly.
None of those are good ideas for the player base to have about P!P, but they are the ideas out there.
vaporeon
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Its amazing what people are saying in this thread. Curtis Lyon was banned for his actions whether he knew he was doing anything wrong or not. TPCi has a reason for what they did and a reason for the ban in the first place. Just because someone cheated at a children's card game does not mean they should be banned at it for life. People make mistakes and are punished for them when they do. When people are absolved of them, that person should be allowed to continue what it was they were doing, no matter how others feel about.
You all need to not be so harsh about it. If you play him, watch his actions. If he trys to cheat or is doing something you dont approve of, then call a judge over and if there is proof he was cheating again, he will be dealt with again and possibly banned.
You all need to not be so harsh about it. If you play him, watch his actions. If he trys to cheat or is doing something you dont approve of, then call a judge over and if there is proof he was cheating again, he will be dealt with again and possibly banned.
I certainly have not advocated a life time ban. However, I will stand by the idea that he absolutely should not have been at Worlds. He cheated to get to Worlds and he cheated at this years National tourney.
It simply astounds me that anyone will argue that it's OK that he was at Worlds.
I acknowledge that I don't have all of the details of the situation, that I should not have all of the details of the situation, and that I never will have all of the details of the situation.
That said, I'm having trouble imagining a set of hypothetical details I don't have that makes me happy about this decision. :/ I hope the right thing was done here, and I hope other would-be double-nicklers are sufficiently dissuaded.
Mystery Thing
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Congrats on explicitly insulting 56 of the best players in the world from 17 different countries in one broad swoop there. That was impressive.
NoPoke
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It goes like this..
I have an opinion based upon all the information that I have.
Others have an opinion based upon all the information that they have.
They have MORE information than I do.
The result is that my expectation for outcome may not be met. That is my problem to deal with, or I'm going to end up all twisted and bitter over what I see as life not being fair when life seems to have a different view on what is fair.
Move on, learn form the experience. I hope that the consequence is not a reduction in the number of recorded matches at future events. That would be bad.
ps: doesn't mean that I have to let go of my opinion, but I have to acknowledge that mine is not the only possible opinion
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vegitalian
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I understand peoples' concerns given the information that they have - all except for Pablo's. Pablo, your comments are ignorant and racist (i.e. in another forum blaming Canada for the theft that went on between American players and a European player). You don't know anything about Canada and continue to take insulting pot shots at our country.
If we're all cheaters and stackers, why don't you find the other videos posted online (i.e. my Canadian Nats finals video, or Curtis' finals video from last year)?
Curtis and Zach are players that have been around for a long time, with no history of cheating. I have played them both on several occasions and am aware of what deck stacking looks like. Neither one of them has ever cheated against me. We have cheaters here, and I cringe every time I see one of them doing well, but Curtis and Zach aren't among them. Why did our new world champion attach two energies in one turn, and get away with it? Because people know who he is, and don't believe he's capable of cheating. Notoriety shouldn't play any part when it comes to cheating, and though I too believe it was a mistake and be used as a lesson for judging staff, it's really disappointing how quickly the angry Poke-mob jumps on people without all of the facts.
FYI - Curtis ended up 5-3 at Worlds. Top that Sebastian.
If we're all cheaters and stackers, why don't you find the other videos posted online (i.e. my Canadian Nats finals video, or Curtis' finals video from last year)?
Curtis and Zach are players that have been around for a long time, with no history of cheating. I have played them both on several occasions and am aware of what deck stacking looks like. Neither one of them has ever cheated against me. We have cheaters here, and I cringe every time I see one of them doing well, but Curtis and Zach aren't among them. Why did our new world champion attach two energies in one turn, and get away with it? Because people know who he is, and don't believe he's capable of cheating. Notoriety shouldn't play any part when it comes to cheating, and though I too believe it was a mistake and be used as a lesson for judging staff, it's really disappointing how quickly the angry Poke-mob jumps on people without all of the facts.
FYI - Curtis ended up 5-3 at Worlds. Top that Sebastian.
Um, Jason didn't get away with attaching 2 energy. He ultimately got a game loss.
Someone clearly doesn't understand the internet, or jokes at all for that matter. You actually think my cheating/stealing/double energy attaching comment on Facebook was serious? I guess out of 1000 people there's always 'that' guy that doesn't get it.
Also, please explain to me how am I racist? Is there such a thing as a 'Canadian' race? I have never heard of them and a google search brings up no results on this 'Canadian' race that I am being racist against you speak of.
BTW, Jason DIDN'T get away with double attaching energy, and the 2 players who never cheat, cheated on camera and there's video evidence on Youtube. Can you seriously deny such evidence?
vegitalian
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They're not jokes with you - you take every opportunity to badmouth our country. Racial discrimination can include national origin among other things.
I didn't know that Jason got a game loss. Also, I said "no history of cheating" - the shuffling was terrible, and I don't dispute a penalty being awarded, but I don't really see any difference in not shuffling sufficiently and attaching a 2nd energy in a turn.
Wow I simply cannot believe people are defending this guy. I don't care if you played against them, they clearly stacked at THIS tournament which (correct me if I'm wrong) got them their invite to worlds, to say, "get over it, move on" is ludicrous, anyone looking at this situation would only see that pokemon does not condemn cheating, and they would move forward knowing the repricussions for cheating are almost non existannt (and thats only if you're streamed so thousands of people can watch, or maybe pokemon just don't know what cheating is?) You say we don't know all the facts, so please, enlighten us. It's a card game, it's not like his little sister was in the hospital and he needed the prize money so now he should be allowed into worlds, that still wouldn't make it okay in my books.
Kayle
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Something about this thread bothers me.
It makes sense to be upset about someone who clearly stacked their deck getting unbanned and going to worlds. But firstly Biggie has pretty much put a full stop to any reasonable discussion about it; we don't have all the info and we're not going to get all the info. And secondly... it already happened. Impact on the world was fairly small.
Can we move on and focus on the next season or am I missing something?
It makes sense to be upset about someone who clearly stacked their deck getting unbanned and going to worlds. But firstly Biggie has pretty much put a full stop to any reasonable discussion about it; we don't have all the info and we're not going to get all the info. And secondly... it already happened. Impact on the world was fairly small.
Can we move on and focus on the next season or am I missing something?
yoyofsho16
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This is the worst thread EVER.
Nonsense. No one has bought up the issue of "declumping" yet. Now it's the worst thread ever.
yoyofsho16
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Declumping discussion = reasonable people discussing a stupid issue (with a good shuffle) with logical arguments
This discussion = logical people being stupid about a reasonable issue
FirestormXVI
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Nope. There were two people banned at Canadian Nationals.
1 stayed banned.
1 banned and then unbanned after an appeal.
The unbanned player had 400 CP before Canadian Nationals.
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