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I dun want your gargantuan coin going all HULK SMASH!!! on my cards!
Coins banned from IL States 2010?
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I dun want your gargantuan coin going all HULK SMASH!!! on my cards!
Which is not even a legal coin to use.
Top Cut Comics
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Hello,
Forgive me for not chiming in sooner. I was on vacation and wasn’t aware any of this had become a problem. I will leave an explanation below and will not post in this thread anymore. No need fueling such a ridiculous topic. This is clearly not a topic warranting such heated debate. Calm the monitor muscles. Most of you weren’t even there to understand the things that lead us to our decision.
I would like to start by saying; I am completely shocked that this has even become an issue. We had nothing but the best intentions while attempting to ensure the integrity of our event. If this is the biggest issue that has come from the players in regards to my event… I am a happy person.
Many of you may not be aware, but this is our first time running an event as large as a state championship. We wanted to make this event a well organized and easy going environment for all the players. In my playing days, I have attended some states that went on seemingly forever, top cuts finishing at 2 in the morning, having to move venues twice during the cut, and playing outside on the ground are some of the issues I have dealt with in the past. I did not want that for my players. So we put into place a simple set of rules for everyone to follow. We communicated those guidelines effectively to all players that arrived on time to the event. We also gave a strict timeline for all players to follow. Getting the players out at a reasonable time was the most important thing to me as the organizer. We had no complaints from any of the players prior to the start of the event. Standards set, time to go.
I am the one completely responsible for making the call on disallowing coin flips. We had a translucent die made especially for this event to ensure consistency. This die could not have been altered in any way, as they were in my possession until the beginning of the event. I instituted this rule for several reasons, a few of which I will breakdown below. I had not consulted POP on this decision as I did not feel I needed to. I felt the standard had already been set at events such as Nationals and Worlds. Since I do not use a coin, I was NOT aware that the use of a coin was also allowed IN ADDITION TO the mandated dice. Shame on me. Players who were there on time, and had knowledge regarding this rule, could have assisted me with this, but chose not to for whatever reason.
Some of the reasons we chose to use the mandated die rule are as follows….
1) Tournament integrity….
Keeping things consistent across the board was the easiest way we had to ensure no player would have an unfair advantage. 99% of all players at that particular event had no issue with this implementation. I now know this is not the way PUI wants things to be run.
2) Newer players
Of the 49 juniors we had issued 21 new POP ID numbers for the players that attended a new league which we started up in Hodgkins, IL. This was not even counting the new seniors. Dealing with these kids for months on end, I had determined that coin flipping was NOT one of the easiest things for them to do. Coins lost, thrown off tables, hitting other players, I’ve seen it all. This is another reason we mandated.
3) Outright Cheating
In our area, I have seen the use of 2 headed nickels, personally seen it for myself. While it has never been caught in my tournaments, I know that they are readily available at the stores in our area. We wanted to avoid opening any doors for a player that would allow them an opportunity to be dishonest.
These are just a few of the reasons. While they all are legitimate reasons to disallow coins at an event, PUI simply does not allow for that to happen. This will not be a mistake I make twice.
People, I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong. I make mistakes just like everyone else. The trick is, I am learning from them. Can I tell you this is the last time I will do something wrong? No, I can’t. I can however tell you that I will continue to be fair and consistent with all the things we do in hosting good events for all players.
I would also like to add…. Don’t be afraid to help out as well. Several people in this thread who played in the event SUDDENLY have an issue with the way things were run. There were no complaints from anyone, prior to the start of the event, which would make me think this was a bad move. These same people also had the full autonomy to inform me of the error we were making and for some reason allowed it to happen. Then proceeded to come to the Gym and try to pass judgment. Terrible. This is a real sad state of the game. If any of you had any questions about my event you could easily PM me for the truth. Most of you know I don’t have a problem telling people how it is. Heck, most of you can call me directly. My number is in my signature. Such a shame it didn’t happen. This is what separates the men from the boys.
I will continue to host events. GREAT EVENTS! I will also make some mistakes along the way. I have had nothing but positive feedback from nearly all players and parents who played in my event, including some in this thread who are now attempting to throw me under the bus. I challenge any of you to come and assist me in running flawless events. Unfortunately no one is willing to step to the plate. You would much rather come here to complain when things don’t go your way instead of assisting in a solution. I would much rather be a player, but without assistance of myself and my team, the game would fade in my area. I simply do not want that. It’s a sad day when all we can do is find the negative in a full jar of positives.
We gave away (at my expense) 51 new starter decks for new players to get into the game, simply to continue growing the base of the game. Please do not discount my TRUE love for this game. As a father, a collector, a player, and now a PTO, I will continue doing great things for all who want to be involved in this game.
I am extremely proud of what my team accomplished that day for all the players. I would not change anything we did in making the tournament fun for all players, keeping the pace of the event flowing, and most importantly keeping the integrity of the event.
Good Luck and see you all at Nationals,
Jimmy (Shopccnc)
Forgive me for not chiming in sooner. I was on vacation and wasn’t aware any of this had become a problem. I will leave an explanation below and will not post in this thread anymore. No need fueling such a ridiculous topic. This is clearly not a topic warranting such heated debate. Calm the monitor muscles. Most of you weren’t even there to understand the things that lead us to our decision.
I would like to start by saying; I am completely shocked that this has even become an issue. We had nothing but the best intentions while attempting to ensure the integrity of our event. If this is the biggest issue that has come from the players in regards to my event… I am a happy person.
Many of you may not be aware, but this is our first time running an event as large as a state championship. We wanted to make this event a well organized and easy going environment for all the players. In my playing days, I have attended some states that went on seemingly forever, top cuts finishing at 2 in the morning, having to move venues twice during the cut, and playing outside on the ground are some of the issues I have dealt with in the past. I did not want that for my players. So we put into place a simple set of rules for everyone to follow. We communicated those guidelines effectively to all players that arrived on time to the event. We also gave a strict timeline for all players to follow. Getting the players out at a reasonable time was the most important thing to me as the organizer. We had no complaints from any of the players prior to the start of the event. Standards set, time to go.
I am the one completely responsible for making the call on disallowing coin flips. We had a translucent die made especially for this event to ensure consistency. This die could not have been altered in any way, as they were in my possession until the beginning of the event. I instituted this rule for several reasons, a few of which I will breakdown below. I had not consulted POP on this decision as I did not feel I needed to. I felt the standard had already been set at events such as Nationals and Worlds. Since I do not use a coin, I was NOT aware that the use of a coin was also allowed IN ADDITION TO the mandated dice. Shame on me. Players who were there on time, and had knowledge regarding this rule, could have assisted me with this, but chose not to for whatever reason.
Some of the reasons we chose to use the mandated die rule are as follows….
1) Tournament integrity….
Keeping things consistent across the board was the easiest way we had to ensure no player would have an unfair advantage. 99% of all players at that particular event had no issue with this implementation. I now know this is not the way PUI wants things to be run.
2) Newer players
Of the 49 juniors we had issued 21 new POP ID numbers for the players that attended a new league which we started up in Hodgkins, IL. This was not even counting the new seniors. Dealing with these kids for months on end, I had determined that coin flipping was NOT one of the easiest things for them to do. Coins lost, thrown off tables, hitting other players, I’ve seen it all. This is another reason we mandated.
3) Outright Cheating
In our area, I have seen the use of 2 headed nickels, personally seen it for myself. While it has never been caught in my tournaments, I know that they are readily available at the stores in our area. We wanted to avoid opening any doors for a player that would allow them an opportunity to be dishonest.
These are just a few of the reasons. While they all are legitimate reasons to disallow coins at an event, PUI simply does not allow for that to happen. This will not be a mistake I make twice.
People, I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong. I make mistakes just like everyone else. The trick is, I am learning from them. Can I tell you this is the last time I will do something wrong? No, I can’t. I can however tell you that I will continue to be fair and consistent with all the things we do in hosting good events for all players.
I would also like to add…. Don’t be afraid to help out as well. Several people in this thread who played in the event SUDDENLY have an issue with the way things were run. There were no complaints from anyone, prior to the start of the event, which would make me think this was a bad move. These same people also had the full autonomy to inform me of the error we were making and for some reason allowed it to happen. Then proceeded to come to the Gym and try to pass judgment. Terrible. This is a real sad state of the game. If any of you had any questions about my event you could easily PM me for the truth. Most of you know I don’t have a problem telling people how it is. Heck, most of you can call me directly. My number is in my signature. Such a shame it didn’t happen. This is what separates the men from the boys.
I will continue to host events. GREAT EVENTS! I will also make some mistakes along the way. I have had nothing but positive feedback from nearly all players and parents who played in my event, including some in this thread who are now attempting to throw me under the bus. I challenge any of you to come and assist me in running flawless events. Unfortunately no one is willing to step to the plate. You would much rather come here to complain when things don’t go your way instead of assisting in a solution. I would much rather be a player, but without assistance of myself and my team, the game would fade in my area. I simply do not want that. It’s a sad day when all we can do is find the negative in a full jar of positives.
We gave away (at my expense) 51 new starter decks for new players to get into the game, simply to continue growing the base of the game. Please do not discount my TRUE love for this game. As a father, a collector, a player, and now a PTO, I will continue doing great things for all who want to be involved in this game.
I am extremely proud of what my team accomplished that day for all the players. I would not change anything we did in making the tournament fun for all players, keeping the pace of the event flowing, and most importantly keeping the integrity of the event.
Good Luck and see you all at Nationals,
Jimmy (Shopccnc)
I'd be upset if that coin landed on my cards and left dents in them. Just saying your opponents might not appreciate "big heavy things" marking their cards. Something to consider.
The Dark Toxicroak
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Why does it matter what randomizer you or your opponent are using. You get to watch and see how they are flipping and if they aren't flipping according to the rules then you are allowed to ask them to reflip. Plus everyone was using these dice its not like only you were refused using a coin.
Maybe you have a lucky coin..... who cares? Your opponent might have as well. Its not like one side was given any sort of advantage or anything. I would just be happy to receive a super awesome free die as that has never been done in my area.
Maybe you have a lucky coin..... who cares? Your opponent might have as well. Its not like one side was given any sort of advantage or anything. I would just be happy to receive a super awesome free die as that has never been done in my area.
NoPoke
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That is where it gets tricky. In my experience players rarely ask for tails-fails flips to be repeated even when badly executed.
Coin flipping is a "right" as laid down in the floor rules. But it comes with responsibilities too. TOs and judges see plenty of evidence that players either don't take those responsibilities seriously enough or are just simply unable to comply with the requirements for a good quality flip.
dave321
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Oh, of course! Just go down to the hardwa- oh wait, right, it's illegal for retailers to sell lead based paint so you'd have to order it from overseas and hope you dont get caught since its also illegal to import.
Not to mention to get even close to enough weight to make a significant difference on any non-opaque dice you would have to drill into the pips which apart from PROBABLY looking sloppy (unless you have a drill bit the exact same size as the pip) is impossible since you can see through the dice and I would be inquisitive to say the least about the column of paint inside of my opponent's dice... especially after they get a long string of heads in a row.
Like the .01mL of paint you're going to use to paint a dot onto the dice is not going to do ANYTHING to weight it, even if it's lead-based.
And for whoever said the 3 odds and evens are adjascent... great. How are you going to predict its trajectory and bouncing? Even a dice I dropped about 3 cm above the table palming the odds side still came up 50/50.
Yep, Washington Post has NO merits whatsoever.
And apart from that if you had actually bothered to "look at my posts again", you would have noticed the SECOND SENTENCE cited one of his sources and the author goes on to discuss his own research/testing with a Stanford professor who backs up the "whatever you start with is what you'll probably get" mechanic in his interview.
The MAJOR flaw with the coin is not it's construction since the stanford professor even says it doesn't matter if one side is made of a different material, the example used being metal/balsa wood. It's the ABILITY of being able to flip what you want. which isn't possible for the dice because there are non-constant factors which will vary against different opponents (is there a playmat that may be hit and cause an extra bounce? is there a shorter chair or taller table which makes the distance shorter or greater? etc.) whereas for coins you have NOTHING but constants... you have to use a Pokemon coin, the only force being exerted is controlled and can be replicated (your own hand's), and unless you're playng in a room with a VERY low ceiling you can flip it at the same height continually.
:lol:
I agree it's not the original purpose of the thread but don't start an argument with me when I simply offer my opinion... not a "CLAIM". Countless other people said "Dice are better" before me and just as many said "Coins are better". So really that was pretty unwarranted. My original post had nothing to do with you and like I said, if someone starts challenging me I'm obviously going to support my points.
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vanderbilt_grad
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Heh, it was 4 years ago. I remember my annoyance vividly ... but the details, not so much.
Great post Jimmy! :thumb:
Jimmy, thanks for responding.
As you note, in the scheme of things, there are a lot worse things that can happen and it was an error of misunderstanding.
Such things happen to all of us, and as you also note, will happen in the future.
And, with that cleared up, this thread is done.
As you note, in the scheme of things, there are a lot worse things that can happen and it was an error of misunderstanding.
Such things happen to all of us, and as you also note, will happen in the future.
And, with that cleared up, this thread is done.
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