Dialga G/Garchomp C Counters

[baby mario]

I never said that I will have everything I needed at the time to take down Dialga G LVX. Didn't you read my post when I said there's a 50/50 chance of things happening? That was for me too.

So . . . the chances of you having a TECH Houndoom up and running before a Dialga deck gets a PokeTurn is 50/50? Seriously?

I guess I will have to believe you, seeing as you don't do theorymon and have obviously proved it through hundreds of hours of playtesting against top players with excellent lists.

Well done!

Also, the reason why Hondoom didn't stop Dialga is because players didn't know about it until it was too late. They did stop it after that though.

LOL . . . maybe YOU didn't know about it, but everyone else did. A new dominant deck is based around a Pokemon with a X2 Fire Weakness . . . the FIRST THING people will do is look for a Fire counter. The very first Dialga list I ever ran (last year's States) had a Houndoom tech for mirror.

What stopped Dialga was Luxape and Blazeray. Not Houndoom.

Because we know what Dialga G LVX can do now and we know how to stop it

Wow, good job someone came up with a counter before that deck got out of hand, huh?

You're very lucky today, because I could have said worse things than this to you. Be glad I'm keeping this civil. This won't happen all the time.

I dunno if that is supposed to be a joke, but please realise that any kind of threat over the internet is:

a) meaningless
b) makes you look a bit sad
c) makes me think of the link in my sig

If you ever choose to be uncivil with me, all that will happen is that I will have a laugh and you will be reported.

 

[hk27]

Now, now, everyone. Just remember we are all here for the same thing. Play pokemon, discuss stradegy and always remember the golden rule- spirit of the game!

 

[nnaann]

You're very lucky today, because I could have said worse things than this to you. Be glad I'm keeping this civil. This won't happen all the time.

Just because you don't agree with Baby Mario, doesn't mean a debate needs to turn into this. I disagree with lots of things on the gym, as will everyone, but it doesn't mean that everyone has the right to get personal with each other. If you believe that your side of the argument has a good point, explain to everyone what those are - comments like that will only make your argument less solid.

 

[Yoshi-]

Amphytroll all over again...

For heavens sake, dont make the same mistake all over again...


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I havent tested it but I think Gon should stand a chance against this, depends on the list I guess, a 212 Queen line is kidna pointless
Over here everyone uses Luxray/Chomp/Blaze so Dialga isnt an option :/

 

[Naki Feralkin]

^ Gon does work quite well. It has a much more solid matchup that one would assume, though it definitely is not an easy matchup in its favor, either.

 

[Professor Elm]

tech houndoom maybe?
well actually a houndoom deck, cause it can't really be used as a tech

 

[amphy#1]

So . . . the chances of you having a TECH Houndoom up and running before a Dialga deck gets a PokeTurn is 50/50? Seriously?

I guess I will have to believe you, seeing as you don't do theorymon and have obviously proved it through hundreds of hours of playtesting against top players with excellent lists.

Well done!

Thank you, thank you very much. :lol: :lol:

LOL . . . maybe YOU didn't know about it, but everyone else did. A new dominant deck is based around a Pokemon with a X2 Fire Weakness . . . the FIRST THING people will do is look for a Fire counter. The very first Dialga list I ever ran (last year's States) had a Houndoom tech for mirror.

Oh I knew about it. I wish I had it so I could have played with it at states so I could surprise people too. Also, if they knew so much about it, then why didn't they stop it?

What stopped Dialga was Luxape and Blazeray. Not Houndoom.

That was after States.

Wow, good job someone came up with a counter before that deck got out of hand, huh?



I dunno if that is supposed to be a joke, but please realise that any kind of threat over the internet is:

a) meaningless
b) makes you look a bit sad
c) makes me think of the link in my sig

If you ever choose to be uncivil with me, all that will happen is that I will have a laugh and you will be reported.

King Kong ain't got .... on me!! and you don't either. :lol: I'm in a totally different league than you brother. You and your comments mean nothing. They are beneath me.

 

[yoyofsho16]

I like how everyone forgot how a specific Empoleon build back in the day teched a 1-0-1 Infernape line. that 180 damage outta shut it up.

If you're talking about Yamato, it was actually a 1-1-0 Infernape... as in NO APE, just Chimchar and Monferno. Strange but worked.

 

[Happiny13]

Amphy1, when you say after states that proves your theory to be wrong, dince nothing really stopped dialga very well around states.

 

[GKOTM]

Didn't Gechamp play a role in stopping/slowing Dialga G?

 

[Jaeger]

If you're talking about Yamato, it was actually a 1-1-0 Infernape... as in NO APE, just Chimchar and Monferno. Strange but worked.

lol, Nope he ran a 1-0-1 Ape, Simple misprint in the Worlds Book. Trust me I was there 1-0-1 Ape.

 

[Shino Bug Master]

I like how all these comments go to Houndoom as a counter to Dialga and most of them say you need the T1 energy and ENERGY GAIN. Defan stops that from being played, meaning your tech takes 3 turns to get, unless you galactic switch. And if you run Bronzong G and Houndoom G, you need them to be useful in other match-ups, meaning a cyrus line. So you are pretty much playing teched out SPs.

Personally, i'd think, Ninetails MT would be the best counter. You can OHKO either Chomp or Dialga without much trouble. It also isn't deadweight in other match-ups. With the shiny Vulpix, you can instantly search for those 2 tech Fire Energy if you have to start with it too. I realize it's frail, but when trading KO's, hitting one of their main players and giving them a tech isn't terrible. You can also Palmers back the entire Pokemon.Energy Line to use it again.

Obviously like every tech, Garchomp C can snipe it off, but that's just how it goes.

Other techs that could be used seem to be Moltres MD, Machamp, Flareon RR and Fan Rotom (throwing 1-1 Dialga, Belt/Gain and all those special metals back in their deck adn OHKOing Garchomp while resisting it is FUN. Flippy though)

 

[Zangoosed]

I'm sorry but I'm finding it difficult to believe that Dialga G X will have 4 special metal and an expert belt on it before Blaziken FB has 1 fire and an energy gain on it. And I doubt Luxray X will allow Dialga G to sit on the bench long enough to get powered up. Just seems too hard. Not impossible, but not realistic. And if they KO Blaze FB with Garchomp, the opposing Blaze/Ray player should have a Garchomp of their own to retaliate with. Everyone is speculating too much.

Instead of saying so and so can counter this and that, lets just say what we really know to be true-that Dialga G/Garchomp C is a great deck and City Champs results are proving it. Maybe not the best deck, but definitely a great deck with few bad matchups. There are alot of cards out there that can give the deck trouble, just like with any other deck.

 

[VictorCSS]

Ninetales anyone? Can always give it a try. lol

 

[baby mario]

Oh I knew about it. I wish I had it so I could have played with it at states so I could surprise people too. Also, if they knew so much about it, then why didn't they stop it?

Tech Houndoom G didn't stop Dialga because it wasn't all that good then and it's even worse now. It's completely outclassed by Infernape and Blaziken, gets revenge killed by PromoCroak, and sniped by Garchomp.

King Kong ain't got .... on me!! and you don't either. :lol: I'm in a totally different league than you brother. You and your comments mean nothing. They are beneath me.

I agree, I AM in a totally different league from you.

Thank goodness.

 

[Nekizalb]

Ninetales anyone? Can always give it a try. lol

Yes, you could give it a try. However, Fire Blast would do 120 after Dialga's Weakness. Since Dialga will usually have 140 HP after Expert Belt AND Special Metals if they don't, you would need to have 2 Fire Blasts to KO it. And that's if they don't Warp Energy and Level Up Garchomp C to heal it. Since Fire Blast takes 2 turns to charge up, they could just Deafen twice with Expert Belt and let the poison damage from Skuntank G kill you, or they could Dragon Rush you before you get the 2nd Energy on. There also is the threat of Vulpix or Ninetales getting sniped before you get the Fire Blast off. Keep in mind that you can't use Bench Shield because of Deafen, or Manectric because of Dialga's body. So Ninetales MIGHT be able to counter Dialga, but it would certainly have a hard time doing so.

Ninetales CAN Type Shift to OHKO Garchomp. Again, it might get Dragon Rushed before it gets the Fire Blast off. And what if the Dialga/Garchomp list runs 4 Power Spray? Ninetales is stuck there to do 60 damage and you just wasted 2 energy attachments to do that because Garchomp C Lv. X will either be Poketurned or Healing Breathed by a new Garchomp.

After all this, I would not use Ninetales as a counter.

Dropping 2 Blaziken FB at one time gives you an advantage. Think about this: they have an active Dialga. You play 2 Blaziken FB and attach a Fire Energy to one. Next turn, you can Level Up and do a lot of damage. If they Dragon Rush the one with the Energy, you can attach another Energy to the other one, Level Up, and drop an Energy Gain as they didn't use Deafen. They probably will have to waste a precious Special Metal in order to KO Blaziken FB Lv. X with Dragon Rush after you use Jet Shoot.

You could just slowly chip away at Dialga while Spraying their Healing Breaths if you are playing an SP deck. Eventually, they will run out of Poketurns to keep using Healing Breath after your Sprays.